if we're doing the gross v net spend thing we've probably spent less net
rafa back as manager - how does that make you feel?
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if we're doing the gross v net spend thing we've probably spent less net
impossible to edit that to look nice
09/10 we made
09/10 we made
£8,650,000 - madrid spend
£149,512,000
10/11 we made£5,150,000 - madrid spend
£72,089,600
11/12 we spend£35,350,000 - madrid spend
£41,184,000
these figures are slightly different so we're not really in the same league spending wise as madrid even ignoring the ridiculous 09/10 season
You're doing the gross v spent, Im not.
Mourinho spent less than us at Real and he's in a position to win both la Liga and CL.
Kenny should step down at the end of the season. He will always be a legend, he was the right man for the job and some of the critisism he got made me sick. Rafa and the yanks brought us into that mediocrity.
Now Mourinho would just be perfect and I think he'd like to join us
Mourinho spent less than us at Real and he's in a position to win both la Liga and CL.
Kenny should step down at the end of the season. He will always be a legend, he was the right man for the job and some of the critisism he got made me sick. Rafa and the yanks brought us into that mediocrity.
Now Mourinho would just be perfect and I think he'd like to join us
I know I am because net spend tells the whole story, it's not simply Mourinho spent less than us and put together a team that may outperform Barca. He did that with a team that already had a few hundred million spent on it, just like he did at Chelsea.
In saying that he's obviously taken these teams to places other managers couldn't which sounds ideal for us, but would he be able to transform our fortunes with the squad he would inherit and the funds available. Not so sure.
Presumably that discounts Kenny's previous time here as a manager, when his record was superb, because it would be outrageously disrespectful to dismiss it like this. So that means Kenny is being judged on a mere season and a bit. In which case, I'm going to judge Rafa on his last season and a bit and say that Kenny edges it both as a man-manager and as a manager who gets the team playing attractive football rather than soulless and robotic human chess games. (I wouldn't normally feel inclined to say this but I'm pretty sick at these petty snipings at a great man who serves this club and city with tremendous integrity and decency and just doesn't deserve this crap.)
jose will go to city, he goes to teams that are close to success but not quite there but have excellent squads and big wages bills and transfer budgets.
jose wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.
jose wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.
What, so I HAVE to want him here? The fact I think he's a horrible slimeball should count for nothing? Perhaps by the same token Kenny deserves no particular respect for his long and selfless service to the club and its fans, simply because we've been subpar this season?
Piss off.
Got up on the wrong side of your bed?
No one is questioning KD legendary status and showing him respect for all he had done for the club.
It seems for some, if we question our league form, we are disrespecting the manager.
Crazy
Stating that as a fan i need my head read for thinking that a shitty 7th is poor while at the same time us debating the pro and cons of a former manager who regularly took us deep into the CL year in year out....
Yeah... IF and that is IF our new owners still have cash to invest i would have Rafa back in a heartbeat. I thought he was treated like a cunt by too many on here tbh.
He wont be reappointed though and Kenny will get another crack at it, i just pray to god he doesnt spunk another 80M on more andy carrolls.
Yeah... IF and that is IF our new owners still have cash to invest i would have Rafa back in a heartbeat. I thought he was treated like a cunt by too many on here tbh.
He wont be reappointed though and Kenny will get another crack at it, i just pray to god he doesnt spunk another 80M on more andy carrolls.
Would also take him back, I think he's a great coach. I still think Kenny deserves to stay another season though.
I think he's entitled, he doesn't deserve to stay. Any other manager having this kind of season with us wouldn't deserve another season.
Won a trophy, coming close in another, it shows some managerial ability. I think that's enough to deserve another season.
and thats without mentioning the fact he's won English titles.
This thread is amazing, we have the usual bellends who don't understand the ethics of the club, Pete taking offence to someone questionig his 'personal' opinion of a manager (the irony) and squiggs of all people telling us Rafais a 'better' manager than Kenny. All on one page.
This thread is amazing, we have the usual bellends who don't understand the ethics of the club, Pete taking offence to someone questionig his 'personal' opinion of a manager (the irony) and squiggs of all people telling us Rafais a 'better' manager than Kenny. All on one page.
Rafa's last season as bad as it was is still better than this season and by then he had lost the dressing room. Kenny has a better squad that's played good football in spurts but have been too inconsistent. This team lacks self confidence and Kenny looks to have run out of ideas and is as stubborn as Rafa
His man management (questionable considering his handling of Maxi, Kuyt and Bellamy) and style have not got us the results we deserve. £100M investment looks wasted with only the Carling Cup and possibly the FA Cup to look forward too. Ultimately its not good enough. The criticism is justified. If Rafa, Houllier or Hodgson (God forbid) had spent that much in a single season, they wouldn't have survived this far. Kenny's integrity and what he has done for the club has a whole is not in question, his results this season are. His legenday status does not and should not exempt him from criticsm.
Because he said so.
And Markeh: net spend says fck all
and some people seem to forget we finished 7th under Rafa..
The Carling in the bag and the FA on top of it and I don't think Kenny will go regardless of League position.However, that is not to say league form doesn't matter just because we won a couple of domestic cups.If we don't win the FA Cup then I think we all will have a bit more to say about the final league position regardless of the CC.If we finish 7th or better, for me Kenny gets another year.If we finish below Everton and/ or Sunderland though, then I think the teams end of season performances are going to have to be the benchmark.If a corner has been turned then fair enough.If not and it is clearly a road to nowhere then what is the point?Surely then Kenny himself wouldn't want it.
Big day today I think.
No, but it shouldn't mean he should be subjected to disingenuous arguments, lazy speculation masquerading as objective fact and twisted logic. Take man management: you mention Kuyt. What we know is that Kuyt hasn't always been picked. If most people are honest, Kuyt has been criticised so many times for his performances, the fact that Kenny hasn't always picked him is hardly proof of bad management. As for man management - how the hell do you know what Kenny has said or failed to say to Kuyt behind closed doors in order to keep him committed? A good man manager doesn't always do what players want, but he explains to them, he talks to them, he still encourages them and he helps them understand the decisions and manages their frustrations. I've not seen any proof that Kenny hasn't done this well. You also mention Bellamy - what's the problem there? Everything Bellamy has said since he was here - in stark contrast to his comments about Rafa - has been positive about Kenny. Do you mean Kenny is a bad man manager because he can't stop Bellamy from having to nurse his injuries? I really don't understand that at all. In fact I wonder if people understand what they mean by the phrase 'man manager' in these discussions. So criticise Kenny by all means but let's cut out the lazy stuff - and maybe get through a complaint without the 'spent £100m' tabloid cliche?
Agreed, it's just lazy. So Kenny has decided two players aren't in his thoughts, how does that make him a bad man manager? Every manager has his own ideas and will freeze out players, every manager.
As for Rafa's last season not being as bad as this. I don't really understand the comparison, that was Rafa's 6th season in charge, this is Kenny's first full season. Rafa's first season domestically wasn't anything to write home about, and aside from one season in six where we put up a fight, the rest where littered with stubborn decisions and over caution. I don't get why people want a manager back who's already had six years at it and failed, while being all too willing to write off Kenny after just over a year.
It's dumb.
As for Rafa's last season not being as bad as this. I don't really understand the comparison, that was Rafa's 6th season in charge, this is Kenny's first full season. Rafa's first season domestically wasn't anything to write home about, and aside from one season in six where we put up a fight, the rest where littered with stubborn decisions and over caution. I don't get why people want a manager back who's already had six years at it and failed, while being all too willing to write off Kenny after just over a year.
It's dumb.
I suppose you're referring to this quote:
(From Wiki)
"Liverpool are a team that interests everyone
and Chelsea does not interest me so much
because it is a new project with lots of money
invested in it.
I think it is a project which, if the
club fail to win everything, then [Roman]
Abramovich could retire and take the money
out of the club.
It's an uncertain project. It is
interesting for a coach to have the money to
hire quality players but you never know if a
project like this will bring success."
Liverpool offered their managerial position to
Spanish coach Rafael Benítez and Mourinho instead
accepted a large offer from Roman Abramovich
and pledged his immediate future to Chelsea.
Since then he said something along the lines of:
"I will never manage Liverpool. I know why but I won't tell you (the press)."
So, you're hanging onto something from 8 years ago ?
Since then, Citeh have become massively wealthy and Maurinho has developed a close friendship with Baconface.
I see no evidence to back up your "All we need to do is offer him the gig, he wants to come here, I'm sure of it" assertions.
He's been a long-term admirer of LFC, there's no question he wanted the job when Rafa got it ahead of him and it's still one of the biggest jobs out there, so why not? The terms of any offer made to him would have to be right, but if they were I reckon he'd come.
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