• You may have to login or register before you can post and view our exclusive members only forums.
    To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Preview England vs USA

Status
Not open for further replies.
30433_10150195108435207_680555206_12665807_3988087_n.jpg
 
----------------Hart-------------
Johnson-Carra-Terry--Cole-
---------------Barry-------------
----------Gerrard-Lampard---
-Lennon-----------------Cole--
-----------------Rooney--------
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40574.msg1119405#msg1119405 date=1276501550]
----------------Hart-------------
Johnson-Carra-Terry--Cole-
---------------Barry-------------
----------Gerrard-Lampard---
-Lennon-----------------Cole--
-----------------Rooney--------
[/quote]

no way would I start carra, he looked absolutely knackered on saturday. agree with the rest of the team though but I suspect hesley will play again as despite the absolute sitter 'fab' will have been pleased with the assist.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40574.msg1119407#msg1119407 date=1276501998]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40574.msg1119405#msg1119405 date=1276501550]
----------------Hart-------------
Johnson-Carra-Terry--Cole-
---------------Barry-------------
----------Gerrard-Lampard---
-Lennon-----------------Cole--
-----------------Rooney--------
[/quote]

no way would I start carra, he looked absolutely knackered on saturday. agree with the rest of the team though but I suspect hesley will play again as despite the absolute sitter 'fab' will have been pleased with the assist.
[/quote]

Ha, that wasn't even a slight on Heskey, I'd just completely forgotten about him. I thought he was good on Saturday, shame about the customary miss though.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40574.msg1119409#msg1119409 date=1276502132]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40574.msg1119407#msg1119407 date=1276501998]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40574.msg1119405#msg1119405 date=1276501550]
----------------Hart-------------
Johnson-Carra-Terry--Cole-
---------------Barry-------------
----------Gerrard-Lampard---
-Lennon-----------------Cole--
-----------------Rooney--------
[/quote]

no way would I start carra, he looked absolutely knackered on saturday. agree with the rest of the team though but I suspect hesley will play again as despite the absolute sitter 'fab' will have been pleased with the assist.
[/quote]

Ha, that wasn't even a slight on Heskey, I'd just completely forgotten about him. I thought he was good on Saturday, shame about the customary miss though.
[/quote]

had a finished then he would have been the MOTM with a goal and assist. I definately think he'll start on friday.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40574.msg1119419#msg1119419 date=1276504126]
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=40574.msg1119248#msg1119248 date=1276470656]
King's world cup is finished.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/13/ledley-king-world-cup
[/quote]

SSN's version is slightly different. According to them he's out for three weeks but then has a chance of being available again if England are still in it.
[/quote]

His WC is finished then.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40574.msg1119405#msg1119405 date=1276501550]
----------------Hart-------------
Johnson-Carra-Terry--Cole-
---------------Barry-------------
----------Gerrard-Lampard---
-Lennon-----------------Cole--
-----------------Rooney--------
[/quote]

...should be the team bar Hart. I'd keep Green in (even though he would have been my 3rd choice for saturday). Having made that lapse of concentration, no keeper in the tournament will be more focused than him from now on.
 
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40574.msg1119440#msg1119440 date=1276507543]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40574.msg1119405#msg1119405 date=1276501550]
----------------Hart-------------
Johnson-Carra-Terry--Cole-
---------------Barry-------------
----------Gerrard-Lampard---
-Lennon-----------------Cole--
-----------------Rooney--------
[/quote]

...should be the team bar Hart. I'd keep Green in (even though he would have been my 3rd choice for saturday). Having made that lapse of concentration, no keeper in the tournament will be more focused than him from now on.
[/quote]

Capello would be bonkers to start him. Why bother taking 3 keepers if only to keep faith in one after such a costly mistake? We're not talking about shitty keepers in reserve (comparability), but decent Premiership keepers who would love to play. Green has not deserved such a show of faith. Maybe if he had put in a good few years of decent service for his country, but nope.

Then again, Capello has got most things wrong so far, so who's to say what will happen.
 
For whatever reason he seems to think that James isn't quite 100% and of course he's prone to the odd lapse too. As for Hart, he really should have been giving him some serious game time pre-world cup if he considered him a potential starter. It'd be a lot to throw him in for his first 90 minute start in a must-win World cup group game. That's not to say he wouldn't be up to it as he obviously has confidence in his own ability.

I just think on balance that Green responded well to the mistake both in the game and post-match. It might just do him the world of good to get it out of the way now.
 
I'd keep Green, i thought he bounced back very well after the mistake and showed real balls in the post match interviews.

Better to make a mistake in the 1st game than in the quarters or semis. Hope thats the traditional England Goalie mistake out the way for this tournament!
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=40574.msg1119511#msg1119511 date=1276516062]
I'd keep Green, i thought he bounced back very well after the mistake and showed real balls in the post match interviews.

Better to make a mistake in the 1st game than in the quarters or semis. Hope thats the traditional England Goalie mistake out the way for this tournament!
[/quote]

This ^^
 
I'm with Pedro on the keeper - I think Green will be focused from now on and won't make that sort of mistake again. James is just as likely to make the same sort of mistake. I'd have liked to see Hart but I don't think now is the right time to bring him in.

As for the line-up; the combination of Lampard, Stevie, Rooney, Cole and Lennon up front looks great on paper but I think the team needs to grind out a result or two before moving onto that sort of approach. To be fair the only selection that I couldn't grasp was for SWP; I truly hope that's the last time we see him selected anywhere near the left side of the field.
 
Sooo, England.

Firstly; Heskey. So, he started and played well? What a suprise that was to everyone. Except me of course.

A few things stood out:
England are nowhere near as good as I'd imagined, or worried about. Could just be 'first-game nerves' or something, or maybe too early to judge but I doubt it. They've got simply far too many weaknesses and deficiencies to properly challenge at this World Cup.

Being consistently unable to keep the ball is going to fucking kill them. They're so fucking flat. Flat back four, flat midfield four. No deviation or movement out of those positions. Passing sidways, sideways, sideways, then lump it forward. Only Rooney, and occassionally Gerrard provided anything different. Watching the Dutch, Germans, Argentinians, fuck even the Mexicans and the way they all interchange, move into differing positions, play neat triangles, angles passes, keep the ball and comparing that to England's systematic plodding is incredible. It's not something they're going to change overnight either, they're just going to end up with large periods of not having the ball. The possessions stats the other night were 50/50 with the USA. That's embarassing.

Gerrard and Lampard as a midfield two is no good. No news there. England need a crux, a starting point, a ball player, a midfielder capable of starting moves. For all their talents, neither Gerrard or Lampard are brilliant at that. They both prefer to be on the end of a move, to play either the final ball or to score, not to generate moves. It's just not what they're great at. I'm not sure if Barry's going to totally provide that either. I'd almost hear an argument for Carrick, regardless of how patchy his club form's been.

Width? Well, two mistakes there. firstly, starting Milner who was clearly not ready. Secondly, bringing on SWP compounded the situation. He was fucking useless, and is clearly not ready for this level of football. I guess Capello got scared of the pace with which the right-back went past Milner, and thought SWP would be able to cope better with that than say Joe Cole. He's just not good enough though. Shit touch, shit awareness, didn't retain possession, and went down blind alleys time and time again. Cole's a far better player, but figured in zero of Capello's qualifiers due to injury, so Capello opted for the better the devil he knew.

Green? Well, he fucked up. The alternatives (James and Hart) are much of a muchness, so whatchagonnado.

I thought England tired badly. That's an old squad, with slow legs (Terry, Carra), and now they're being slowly decimated by injuries. To go through a month of football against quality sides that will keep the ball better than you, whilst you're already on your last, tired, legs is going to be impossible. Getting all your drive out of Glenjo and Rooney will be negated soon enough once opposing sides learn how to shut them down. I'd make drastic changes to that team, cos as it is - England are going nowhere fast.
 
Heskey did what he always does; flick the ball on well, take defenders away from other players, but then contrive to miss any chances that come his way.

When Capello took over, I wasn't expecting to see a blunder goalie no-one else rates, Carra & Terry at centre back, Gerrard & Lampard in centre mid and Heskey up front 2 years later at the World Cup. Not particularly inspiring that or, centre back injury aside, any different from what went previous.

That said, I think England will improve. How much, who knows? Luckily, they have an easy route (should they finish top) to the quarters and, Germany aside, no-one else has looked that good so far.
 
Green had an intensive training session yesterday. He had 4000 shots fired at him during the 3 hour session and didn't concede one goal. Today him and Heskey will train with the rest of the squad.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40574.msg1120063#msg1120063 date=1276585900]
Green had an intensive training session yesterday. He had 4000 shots fired at him during the 3 hour session and didn't concede one goal. Today him and Heskey will train with the rest of the squad.
[/quote]

Haha.

That made me laugh.

Thanks Sheik.
 
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=40574.msg1119511#msg1119511 date=1276516062]
I'd keep Green, i thought he bounced back very well after the mistake and showed real balls in the post match interviews.

Better to make a mistake in the 1st game than in the quarters or semis. Hope thats the traditional England Goalie mistake out the way for this tournament!
[/quote]

This is hardly unprecedented though, is it? Robert Green is an error-prone goalkeeper and always has been. Fortunately, he plays for a shit club where such errors are rarely scrutinized and/or get outshone by good saves. Goalkeeping at this level is about maintaining the concentration despite spending long periods with nothing to do. That's how Carson got found out, and that's why Pepe is so good.

Robert Green has always had the luxury of being kept on his toes because he plays for teams who spend a lot of time on the back foot. Even putting aside Saturday's mistake, there's absolutely no way he should be first choice for England.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40574.msg1120063#msg1120063 date=1276585900]
Green had an intensive training session yesterday. He had 4000 shots fired at him during the 3 hour session and didn't concede one goal. Today him and Heskey will train with the rest of the squad.
[/quote]

ha ha ;D
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40574.msg1120022#msg1120022 date=1276573990]
Sooo, England.

Firstly; Heskey. So, he started and played well? What a suprise that was to everyone. Except me of course.

A few things stood out:
England are nowhere near as good as I'd imagined, or worried about. Could just be 'first-game nerves' or something, or maybe too early to judge but I doubt it. They've got simply far too many weaknesses and deficiencies to properly challenge at this World Cup.

Being consistently unable to keep the ball is going to fucking kill them. They're so fucking flat. Flat back four, flat midfield four. No deviation or movement out of those positions. Passing sidways, sideways, sideways, then lump it forward. Only Rooney, and occassionally Gerrard provided anything different. Watching the Dutch, Germans, Argentinians, fuck even the Mexicans and the way they all interchange, move into differing positions, play neat triangles, angles passes, keep the ball and comparing that to England's systematic plodding is incredible. It's not something they're going to change overnight either, they're just going to end up with large periods of not having the ball. The possessions stats the other night were 50/50 with the USA. That's embarassing.

Gerrard and Lampard as a midfield two is no good. No news there. England need a crux, a starting point, a ball player, a midfielder capable of starting moves. For all their talents, neither Gerrard or Lampard are brilliant at that. They both prefer to be on the end of a move, to play either the final ball or to score, not to generate moves. It's just not what they're great at. I'm not sure if Barry's going to totally provide that either. I'd almost hear an argument for Carrick, regardless of how patchy his club form's been.

Width? Well, two mistakes there. firstly, starting Milner who was clearly not ready. Secondly, bringing on SWP compounded the situation. He was fucking useless, and is clearly not ready for this level of football. I guess Capello got scared of the pace with which the right-back went past Milner, and thought SWP would be able to cope better with that than say Joe Cole. He's just not good enough though. Shit touch, shit awareness, didn't retain possession, and went down blind alleys time and time again. Cole's a far better player, but figured in zero of Capello's qualifiers due to injury, so Capello opted for the better the devil he knew.

Green? Well, he fucked up. The alternatives (James and Hart) are much of a muchness, so whatchagonnado.

I thought England tired badly. That's an old squad, with slow legs (Terry, Carra), and now they're being slowly decimated by injuries. To go through a month of football against quality sides that will keep the ball better than you, whilst you're already on your last, tired, legs is going to be impossible. Getting all your drive out of Glenjo and Rooney will be negated soon enough once opposing sides learn how to shut them down. I'd make drastic changes to that team, cos as it is - England are going nowhere fast.

[/quote]No they werent.
It was 58% to 42%
Youve made some valid points, dont spoil it by making shit up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_05/default.stm
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40574.msg1121043#msg1121043 date=1276696950]
USA vs England in Lego
[/quote]

Pity for them Walcot didn't make the squad, with his lego head and all.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom