Correct. It's a foul or it's not.
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Correct. It's a foul or it's not.
Well it was a foul, and he didn't get it.
Why not?
Perhaps because the ref was too busy looking at him making a massive fuss of it with his arms and whatnot, and distracting him from the actual fact that he actually was being actually fouled.
He needs to smarten up and lose the dramatics
Why not?
Perhaps because the ref was too busy looking at him making a massive fuss of it with his arms and whatnot, and distracting him from the actual fact that he actually was being actually fouled.
He needs to smarten up and lose the dramatics
He does indeed. His theatrics are counting against him. That's obvious.
Hot-headed and stupid because he made a challenge he wasn't going to win and was incredibly likely to give away a penalty - trying to make amends for his earlier mistake but instead making it worse.
Clumsy because . . . well, watch it. He doesn't get the ball and he gives loads of opportunity to trip over his leg and win the penalty. It was rash and ill-judged.
Shelvey showed the same commitment going into the challenge as the opposing player. I'm not gonna argue it wasn't a red card, because there are plenty of people that'd give it, and it didn't look good, but he at least had the chance of winning the 50-50 and coming away with the ball. Johnson was giving away a penalty every single time with that tackle
Clumsy because . . . well, watch it. He doesn't get the ball and he gives loads of opportunity to trip over his leg and win the penalty. It was rash and ill-judged.
Shelvey showed the same commitment going into the challenge as the opposing player. I'm not gonna argue it wasn't a red card, because there are plenty of people that'd give it, and it didn't look good, but he at least had the chance of winning the 50-50 and coming away with the ball. Johnson was giving away a penalty every single time with that tackle
Agreed. Shame really. We deserved so much more. Any positives before I go to bed? I thought Allen, Sterling and Suso when he came on were very good. And Gerrard looked like his old self. Am I clutching at straws?
I'm disagreeing with you. I'm just saying referees need to focus on the right thing. They shouldn't be getting distracted by theatrics.
Also, I honestly can't see what Johnson did wrong. Contact (if there was any) was minimal. He did put his hand on Valencia's back, an in today's game, that seems to be more than enough to make a referee's mind up. Put he didn't push him. He didn't trip him. As far as I'm concerned Valencia dived.
So what if he was going to give away a penalty from that position - he could have got away with it, and secondly if he did not and it was a penatly the guy taking the penalty may have missed. Either way - like most people the guy with the ball (Valencia - I think ?) was most likely to score. He did his best to stop us from losing that game, and it was Suso I think who gave the ball away with a sloppy pass.
No you aren't red, there were many positives to take out of todays game, as there were from the City game and the Sunderland game, but the reality is we will be seriously affected by our negligence in the transfer window over the last few years, particularly August over strikers.
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Mate - It was a clear pen. It was a rash lunge in the box. Frankly I'd have been amazed if he didn't give it. That's not to say in hindsight there is some doubt but when looking at it in real time.... It was a penalty.
He made contact and he went over, penalty end-of. I would expect any of our players to do the same, Suarez included.
It will get better - I know that. I just wish it was sooner rather than later.
That is a very big "apart" Vlads.
But Suarez didnt get the penalty, did he?
Well yes it's significant, but it's by no means the howler I thought Halsey had, and was lead to believe he had until I saw the replays myself, although I still don't think we did get the rub of the green on quite a few minor things.
Someone tells me the defender just got a toe on the ball, is that not right?
No and that was a ref mistake. It's hard to take but that's football for you.
So by your reasoning, both Suarez and Agger should have had penalties too? I only say this, because you agree with everything Lawrenson said (aside from Evans not getting a red).
No. Thats not right. Clearly Suarez gets the ball and the defender gets Suarez' foot. And as far as I'm concerned the ref is much closer to the Suarez claim than he was to the Valencia claim.
No, they shouldn't, but they do. Especially with a player who already has a reputation. He needs to be smart and make it easy for them to give the decision. Making a massive meal of it and looking like he's diving just complicates the issue and makes it difficult for the ref to make a decision.
That's why I'm saying he needs lessons off Stevie - who is very good at making the ref's mind up by showing him what happened without going OTT.
Maybe had Suarez not made a meal of it he still wouldn't have got the decision, but cutting down on the theatricality will definitely help his cause.
With Johnson's outstretched leg in front of him, he gratefully tripped over it, Johnson made it easy for him. Is it right? No, probably not, but sometimes you gotta be pragmatic about things and be realistic. He should've known better IMO
Did u watch the game? No outstretched leg. He touched his back ( bad idea) and the guy sprawled down like bambi on fucking ice. Suarez was tripped. Forget about theatrics. He was fucking tripped in the box!
Halsey got the two major decisions wrong. Although he doesn't have the benefit of a replay, he just see's Shelvey jumping in like a fucking madman so I can kinda see why he went for the red.
Suarez's thing wasn't a penalty. Fucking grow up people.
Buying "a striker in January" isn't really what we need tbh. The front 6 should score your goals, not one cunt. Look at Arsenal - 40 goals out of a frontman last year, and they won fuck all.
As we knew, this squad is going to start looking wafer thin now that a few injuries are kicking in.
Suarez does my fucking head in. Stop throwing yourself on the ground, stop rolling round like your hurt when you're not, and stop trying to nutmeg every single cunt everytime you get it - people have worked it out now.
Thought Kelly played well. I'm a critic of his, but he was decent today.
And RVP's penalty was hit far too hard to have been saved. "Weak hands"? Fucking wise up.
Suarez's thing wasn't a penalty. Fucking grow up people.
Buying "a striker in January" isn't really what we need tbh. The front 6 should score your goals, not one cunt. Look at Arsenal - 40 goals out of a frontman last year, and they won fuck all.
As we knew, this squad is going to start looking wafer thin now that a few injuries are kicking in.
Suarez does my fucking head in. Stop throwing yourself on the ground, stop rolling round like your hurt when you're not, and stop trying to nutmeg every single cunt everytime you get it - people have worked it out now.
Thought Kelly played well. I'm a critic of his, but he was decent today.
And RVP's penalty was hit far too hard to have been saved. "Weak hands"? Fucking wise up.
I didn't really think either was a pen. No ref is ever going to give Suarez the benefit of the doubt though are they? He's marked his own card and can't really complain about it.
Right, I have been back into my living room put the TV back on and re-run the Suarez "penalty" in SKY + slow motion on the TV slow motion, about six fucking times and it wasn't the defender gets a nick on the ball.
I have no problem with Suarez going over if he thought there was some contact and get a penalty.
Ours wasn't ,
Theirs was,
Shelvey was stupid for jumping in
Evans should have gone too.
We were unlucky and on another day those decisions might have (wrongly) gone our way.
That's life, it hurts , but there is no point going into denial over refereeing decisions that have since been show to be largely right.
I have no problem with Suarez going over if he thought there was some contact and get a penalty.
Ours wasn't ,
Theirs was,
Shelvey was stupid for jumping in
Evans should have gone too.
We were unlucky and on another day those decisions might have (wrongly) gone our way.
That's life, it hurts , but there is no point going into denial over refereeing decisions that have since been show to be largely right.
Ryan the Suarez "thing" was a penalty. Not sure what benefit of tv you have in oz, but here even Stevie Wonder having listened to Gary Neville agreed it was a fucking penalty
Edit: So grow up yourself
Is correct. If he wasn't such a tit, he might get more decisions go his way.
I'd actually like to see it again. To be honest, I can't remember Johnson putting his leg in front of him, and I certainly can't remember any contact (other than Johnson putting his hand on Valencia's back). I didn't hang around for the post match analysis so maybe it showed it again from a different angle. But the replays it showed during the game, from memory, didn't show Johnson putting his leg in front of Valencia.
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