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Mo's contract isn't the problem, his performance is. Selling both him and Mane in short succession would have been dangerous. For all his faults over the past 12 months, Mo is always fit and available and was the most likely to stay.
What we need to see is a tactical shift to give him more space (possibly returning to Trent overlapping like we used to do) and Mo to get his fucking thumb out of his ass and start whopping them top corner again.
I'm less concerned about his resale value than I am about him scoring the goals to fire us into the top 4 each season so we can afford his replacement (and the replacement for the 4 or 5 other key regulars we need asap).
What we need to see is a tactical shift to give him more space (possibly returning to Trent overlapping like we used to do) and Mo to get his fucking thumb out of his ass and start whopping them top corner again.
I'm less concerned about his resale value than I am about him scoring the goals to fire us into the top 4 each season so we can afford his replacement (and the replacement for the 4 or 5 other key regulars we need asap).
We nearly doubled his wages. That means if we sold him next summer we’d have to pay him the remainder of his contract (doubled), which is why the transfer fee would have to be inflated.
But he’ll be older than he was pre-extension, which means there will be less clubs willing to pay the inflated fee.
That means we sell him cheaper. Which means we get less money NET from his sale now than pre-extension.
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Pretty sure we didn’t double his wages (220 => 350k reported) but yes the transfer fee is almost double possibly due to that but we pay that over course of over 5yrs if he stays.
However, he will be one year older and I assume the same clubs who would pay for 37yr old Messi and Ronaldo would do the same here one year on.
If an Ox and Jota pickup 110k a week to be consistently injured then personally happy for Salah to extend by the same icrement.
178 goals over 280 games for LFC, the lad has done alright for us and ever present unlike rest of our other forwards.
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Personally I’m delighted he stayed. Should go on to be our second highest ever goal scorer.
I'd rather win games & compete for trophies than drag players on to get individual records.
Mo or his new contract isnt the problem. Its just another way to deflect the issue at hand. We've bought 1 midfielder in the last 4 years and somehow expect the rest of the team to perform at their highest level while the key engine room of the team is running on fumes. The dysfunctional midfield and set up sees Mo isolated more on the left and us as a team not performing to our usual standards. We've also rebuilt our attack with the sale of Mane and decline of Firmino.
All this effects the rest of the team. From the defense to the attack.
Once we have rebuilt our midfield and integrated the new attackers we'll see Mo increase his attacking numbers and performances again. No doubt.
There should actually be started a thread instead that discussed whether or not Mo Salah gets the plaudits he deserve from our fanbase. I'd say he doesnt and is massively undervalued and underappreciated. For some weird reason.
7th in our all time record goal scoring stats, best goal to game ratio this last century and he's not even playing as an out and out striker.
He's also fit to play just about every game.
He's got 17 goals in 26 games this season as well, even though we've been awful. Chances are he'll end up with about 30 for yet another season.
I'd say focus on the important parts to fix our issues and needs. But Mo isnt one of them.
All this effects the rest of the team. From the defense to the attack.
Once we have rebuilt our midfield and integrated the new attackers we'll see Mo increase his attacking numbers and performances again. No doubt.
There should actually be started a thread instead that discussed whether or not Mo Salah gets the plaudits he deserve from our fanbase. I'd say he doesnt and is massively undervalued and underappreciated. For some weird reason.
7th in our all time record goal scoring stats, best goal to game ratio this last century and he's not even playing as an out and out striker.
He's also fit to play just about every game.
He's got 17 goals in 26 games this season as well, even though we've been awful. Chances are he'll end up with about 30 for yet another season.
I'd say focus on the important parts to fix our issues and needs. But Mo isnt one of them.
Well, the point is not really that he is a problem per se, more like we could have done with selling him and reinvesting in our gaping hole of a midfield, considering the gravity of it, the apparent limitations in funds/actions, and Salah's age and salary. Coutinho style.
Well, I clearly am not disagreeing on the last part.
And, I don't think what players is the point either, just the assets and their value, and what we could do with the money.
Ideally, we would keep all our best players, but I think we should have sold him and use it to rebuild.
And just who would have bought him? And how much do your think we could have got for him with one year left on his contract? Even assuming he agreed to any potential sale.
And to further state the obvious if you're suggesting we should have sold him earlier - last season wouldn't have happened without him so what is the point of selling our best players when the team is in its prime? Isn't winning trophies what it's all about?
The winning trophies angle is a straw man, but anyway. We all want that, and ideally, yes, we should ideally keep our best players, in their prime.
But it seems we won't invest enough in our squad without selling, hence my suggestion on Salah.
And I don't know who would have bought him. We cannot know this, also what the amount of money could have been.
As to your clear and obvious, we also cannot know what would have happened if we sold him even earlier. You say then last season wouldn't happen, but we cannot know this. Because there would have been another player there then, in his place, and maybe even two, if we reinvested well.
Maybe our 11 would have been better then?
Anyway, I still think we should look to cash in if Mbappe goes to Real, as PSG could be knocking. I don't think Salah is all that anymore, and needs the team to be set up to suit him. Not that there is something inherently wrong about that for a top player, but I am not sure it makes us a better team on the whole anymore.
Jones, Ox, Keita were supposed to be the ones coming through. Shit happened.
Though we could have been more decisive instead of persisting with them. We could have gotten at least 40-50m for all 3 of them a couple of years ago.
Due to the massive, terrifying goal-threat emanating from our elite, dynamic midfield, opposition sides cannot simply concentrate on negating the threat of Salah to leave us totally impotent.
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- This thread is so painful. No one offered £100m+ for Salah, and he was going into the last 12 months of his contract.
- Mane wanted a change, and a huge boost in wages which is what he get in Germany
- Who are you going to get as a replacement for Salah
- If we are looking who to blame for lack of cash, stop looking beyond FSG. a) They let Joe Allan, Emre Can, Gini, Divock and now Ox, Naby, Millie and possibly Bobby leave for free. Now is that competent way of running a transfer strategy when you operate a low net spend b) despite recording record profits, they are so tight with cash, following the Arse model, which was a total fail
- The club will see record profits this year coupled with stadium expansion, yet the owners deam it appropriate to only give the manager £37m despite spending very little due to covid, a stark contrast to our rivals. They knew the average age of our squad is the highest in the league and did what about it? So if no MF comes in, fans should do what Arse and Man U fans did, and that's FSG out rallies.
Well to be fair the 'we should have sold Salah which would have enabled us to rebuild the squad' is a complete straw man argument too - it simply wasn't feasible.
If we go back 3 seasons : why would we sell Salah in his utter prime at 27? If we go back 2 seasons who would have bought him at anything like the figures required for a rebuild? Only a handful of teams could theoretically be in the market for him (PSG, Barca, Real, City & Chelsea) but only one of those, PSG, could realistically have been both in the market for him and paid the fee that year, with the Spanish sides on the ropes financially. And PSG had M'Bappe, Neymar and Messi !
There's often this chorus of 'we should have sold him' without any consideration for who could/would have bought him and at what price !
Last season before his renewal? Two options, let him go for a Mane-like transfer fee (£40m - which wouldn't have funded a cafeteria renovation) or he'd have stuck to his guns and we'd be losing him on a free this Summer. We were stuck between a rock and a hard place and financially the only solution was to give him a new contract to protect his value.
As for the argument 'we can not know if the funds reinvested could have led to as good a season as 22/23 or even better' : the logic says that would have been a 1,000/1 chance, of equaling the best ever season by any team ever (in terms of finals and taking the league title to the last 20 mins of the season).
We'd not only need to replace 31 goals in both 20/21 and 21/22 by finding someone, in the middle of a global epidemic, to replace him (and if you are not paying for an established goalscorer of similar status then you are gambling on an up and coming young player - how often do those turn into one of the Top 3 in the world) but hope that the team functioned straight off the bat - and we know how difficult it is to integrate new players whilst rebuilding a team.
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If the purpose was to sell to raise funds purely to fund a midfield rebuild then what guarantee is there that the money would be spent on a midfielder?
We spent nearly 40m on a LW before the transfer window even opened so not sure issue is purely funding.
In the summer, is as expected we should have over 400k a week released from wages at least from expiry of contracts.
Not sure logically selling the only real sure fire fit and able goal scorer should really be the focus. There’s too many things to fix without adding striker to the list I reckon although we aren’t bad at finding great CFs.
We spent nearly 40m on a LW before the transfer window even opened so not sure issue is purely funding.
In the summer, is as expected we should have over 400k a week released from wages at least from expiry of contracts.
Not sure logically selling the only real sure fire fit and able goal scorer should really be the focus. There’s too many things to fix without adding striker to the list I reckon although we aren’t bad at finding great CFs.
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I would be much happier selling him now than I would have earlier.
There are lots of questions surrounding that question though. Primary would be what fee could we reasonably expect to receive for him? Would Mo want to go to the team offering the highest fee anyway? How are we going to spend that money ? And how are we going to cover the loss of 25-30 goals a season that Mo will likely deliver for the next 2-3 seasons?
If there are feasible answers to those questions, that doesn't represent a major gamble, then I'd go with it because he will need replacing within 3-4 seasons at most (he is incredibly fit so has maybe another 2 seasons at his current level before he'd need to be phased out anyway). It comes down to what fee could we receive and how are we going to replace him.
The problem we had for a few years is that we elevated the club to elite status but never had the money or intent to stay there.
The other teams manage to stay at that level because they invest a lot of money but also because it's a priority for management to stay there.
The best players want to go to Real Madrid, City and what not because they pay big wages, win shit and there are other great players there too.
We were an attractive proposition because we were competing for the top trophies, paid pretty well and we had players like Mane, Salah and VVD that everyone else looked up to.
Selling a player like Salah sends out the wrong message to the football community. It's saying - we're a second tier team. We clearly weren't prepared to do that yet. We've tried to cling on at the top in all the wrong ways.
I'd be happy to let the old guard go and spend a couple years out in the cold whilst we transition to the next cycle but with each passing month my belief that we can stay at the level we've been accustomed to drops a little. The confidence I had in our recruitment strategy has taken a massive dive over recent years.
Would I sell Salah in the summer?
I just don't see us getting enough of a fee to make it worth it.
The other teams manage to stay at that level because they invest a lot of money but also because it's a priority for management to stay there.
The best players want to go to Real Madrid, City and what not because they pay big wages, win shit and there are other great players there too.
We were an attractive proposition because we were competing for the top trophies, paid pretty well and we had players like Mane, Salah and VVD that everyone else looked up to.
Selling a player like Salah sends out the wrong message to the football community. It's saying - we're a second tier team. We clearly weren't prepared to do that yet. We've tried to cling on at the top in all the wrong ways.
I'd be happy to let the old guard go and spend a couple years out in the cold whilst we transition to the next cycle but with each passing month my belief that we can stay at the level we've been accustomed to drops a little. The confidence I had in our recruitment strategy has taken a massive dive over recent years.
Would I sell Salah in the summer?
I just don't see us getting enough of a fee to make it worth it.
So, we have gone past his sell-on date, while not having money to maintain the team without selling him then.
So, circling back, we really should have sold him earlier, but we deluded ourselves into thinking we were up with the big boys, financially.
Football-wise, we were.
So, circling back, we really should have sold him earlier, but we deluded ourselves into thinking we were up with the big boys, financially.
Football-wise, we were.
Sold him and got who? Let's say hypothetically we got £80m for him in the summer, there's no guarantee you'd keep Mane. So tell me £70m for Salah, £35m for Mane, and £30m for all the other players we sold. So lets round it upto £140m. Rebuild the squad?
Seriously? Have you forgotten the past couple of pages already?
I am half joking, but the argument does seem to end up back there, on the basis of bluebell´s post.
I agree with you that we were kind of hamstrung in several ways, which avoided us being able to do what I think would have been right.
You disagree with the last part as I understand it, and that is of course totally fine.
Let's face it, aside from all the points Froggy made, we're missing two very valid points that get lost because we've all swallowed up our sell big>rebuild ethos, drummed into us by FSG's moneyball handbook as seemingly the *only* strategy:
* We've had ample time and in the years since the start of his regression we've bought Jota, Diaz, Gapko, Nunez, Carvalho and Elliott (approx £200m in fees), who should have more than replaced our waning forward line.
* We didn't have to sell to spend the same amount, it illogical, there are no guarantees we'd have spent well and it's neglecting our old tack of picking up a good deal, other teams do it. We pick up these players from Wolves etc, why aren't we onto these players early?
* We've had ample time and in the years since the start of his regression we've bought Jota, Diaz, Gapko, Nunez, Carvalho and Elliott (approx £200m in fees), who should have more than replaced our waning forward line.
* We didn't have to sell to spend the same amount, it illogical, there are no guarantees we'd have spent well and it's neglecting our old tack of picking up a good deal, other teams do it. We pick up these players from Wolves etc, why aren't we onto these players early?
Behave, Salah is our best player.
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