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He has progressively gotten worse since his debut though. That's worrying.
Calvert Lewin at the same age is playing better than Solanke, and it's not even close.
Calvert Lewin has played more than twice as many games and 1 more year in the PL.
Its all about development and time to adapt.
I was looking at some stats on Squawka and to my surprise Solanke was 2nd to only Coutinho at key passes per 90 mins - obviously smaller sample size than others, but still shows he has something about his game, even if at the moment it's not translating to goals.
As for playing progressively worse - youth development is never a straight line. I remember Sterling going through a period when he looked hopeless at football and look at him now. Solanke is in a perfect environment to make it if he really has the talent and the application.
As for playing progressively worse - youth development is never a straight line. I remember Sterling going through a period when he looked hopeless at football and look at him now. Solanke is in a perfect environment to make it if he really has the talent and the application.
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Solanke fits in fine with this team - yes no goals for now - but to be honest when we play with him - the chances he gets usually involves him against 3 other defenders. Was it Crouch who did not score for something like10-12 games then suddenly ended up with 17 at the end of the season.
When we won the CL - we had Djimi Traore in defense - it goes without saying that we need one clumsy fucker at the back to win something. Besides its too expensive and also we need something to replace Coutinho if he goes as a top priority.
Can play Can into the ground now.
Its the fact Klopp is celebrating lile mad behind him that makes it. Ruins his whole faux 'this is too much to bear' routine.
Kinda reminded me of the scene in the office where Tim is distraught at losing the pub quiz staring into the middle distance and Gareth runs up behind him and boots a giant inflatable cock into the air in celebration.
He's got cult potential has Robertson.
So weird with Mane. He never seems to look happy when he scores but looks so delighted when a teammate does. He’s a good ‘un.
First ratings of 2018, after my typically lengthy Xmas break, so apologies to everyone who looks forward to my forensic and enthralling breakdowns for having to wait so long and missing some key fixtures.
But we're back in the saddle!
In this game, more than any other, the result is all that counts. The rivalry with the Bitters is always intense, but the added Allardyce factor has, if anything, turned it up another notch, especially given the jammy fucking point they got in the league recently.
This was a match that had little quality on show, with defenders taking the honours - in every sense. Everton played better in this game than the aforementioned league draw, but they still couldn't argue that they deserved any more. Liverpool were disjointed and lacking in genuine class, with some really slack passing and lackadaisical finishing. It's never easy to be without two of your best players, and certainly it doesn't make the prospect of a Coutinho-less Liverpool any more palatable, but we still had more quality.
Still, the manner in which the game was won was delicious, and the massively pressurised debut of the world's most expensive defender was, overall, fantastic.
Karius (5) Did little to make his case to be the first-choice, with some weirdly hesitant decision- making. He's also a fucking liability with crosses, often staying rooted to his line or just dropping them.
VVD (9) What a debut! Won everything in the air, looked calm and composed, and then popped up with the winner. Boss.
Matip (5) Plenty of speculation as to who will be VVD's first-choice partner, but I stand by my original view: someone else who doesn't yet play for us. A few seem to favour Matip, but that's just wrong, because he's a 50p-headed, weak-as-piss mediocrity
Gomez (5) No for the first time this season, he was hooked after totally falling apart. A decent first half, followed by a mental collapse, in which he seemed to forget how to play football. He's done this two or three times now, which is worrying. Also of major concern is the issue he has with knowing who is around him, he seems totally oblivious to the possibility that players might be attacking the ball outside of his peripheral vision (which should be very good actually, given his fucking eyes are on the side of his head, like Troy Deeney)
Robertson (8) Oh yes. A reassuringly old-school blood and thunder Derby display from a defender. Involved all over the pitch, and never stopped moving all game. A performance full of grit, determination and no little quality
Can (6) So hard to rate sometimes; he can look lethargic and sloppy, and then launch into a lung-busting run that takes him 50 yard up the pitch. He has played a LOT of minutes given Henderson's injuries, so he probably deserves a rest, but we don't have another player who can do that DM role.
Milner (6) Scored the penalty and delivered his usual indefatigable midfield display, but again sometimes lacks a bit of quality on the ball, and has a tendency to drift very wide, which helps out the fullbacks, but often left Can totally on his own in the middle
Chamberlain (5) Yes, there were a few lovely set-piece deliveries and his ball-carrying was typically effective. But he's got no footballing brain at all. None. His brain shits itself when he gets near the opposition box
Lallana (5) Was typically involved and saw a lot of the ball, but other than winning a dodgy penalty, didn't do much of any real quality in possession and wasted a great chance with a pathetic effort at goal.
Mane (6) This might be generous. Probably a 5? His passing was largely fucking atrocious and he didn't create enough, but his quick feet and pace were a worry for the Bitters, even if he was below his usual level.
Firmino (6) Not sure if this is also generous. Typically hard-working and the occasional lovely touch and flick, but also a bit sloppy and never looked like scoring.
Subs:
Wijnaldum (6) Solid in possession, apart from one dreadful pass, he helped shore up the midfield.
Solanke (4) Oh dear. Followed up his last abysmal display with another atrocious - but thankfully short - shitshow
But we're back in the saddle!
In this game, more than any other, the result is all that counts. The rivalry with the Bitters is always intense, but the added Allardyce factor has, if anything, turned it up another notch, especially given the jammy fucking point they got in the league recently.
This was a match that had little quality on show, with defenders taking the honours - in every sense. Everton played better in this game than the aforementioned league draw, but they still couldn't argue that they deserved any more. Liverpool were disjointed and lacking in genuine class, with some really slack passing and lackadaisical finishing. It's never easy to be without two of your best players, and certainly it doesn't make the prospect of a Coutinho-less Liverpool any more palatable, but we still had more quality.
Still, the manner in which the game was won was delicious, and the massively pressurised debut of the world's most expensive defender was, overall, fantastic.
Karius (5) Did little to make his case to be the first-choice, with some weirdly hesitant decision- making. He's also a fucking liability with crosses, often staying rooted to his line or just dropping them.
VVD (9) What a debut! Won everything in the air, looked calm and composed, and then popped up with the winner. Boss.
Matip (5) Plenty of speculation as to who will be VVD's first-choice partner, but I stand by my original view: someone else who doesn't yet play for us. A few seem to favour Matip, but that's just wrong, because he's a 50p-headed, weak-as-piss mediocrity
Gomez (5) No for the first time this season, he was hooked after totally falling apart. A decent first half, followed by a mental collapse, in which he seemed to forget how to play football. He's done this two or three times now, which is worrying. Also of major concern is the issue he has with knowing who is around him, he seems totally oblivious to the possibility that players might be attacking the ball outside of his peripheral vision (which should be very good actually, given his fucking eyes are on the side of his head, like Troy Deeney)
Robertson (8) Oh yes. A reassuringly old-school blood and thunder Derby display from a defender. Involved all over the pitch, and never stopped moving all game. A performance full of grit, determination and no little quality
Can (6) So hard to rate sometimes; he can look lethargic and sloppy, and then launch into a lung-busting run that takes him 50 yard up the pitch. He has played a LOT of minutes given Henderson's injuries, so he probably deserves a rest, but we don't have another player who can do that DM role.
Milner (6) Scored the penalty and delivered his usual indefatigable midfield display, but again sometimes lacks a bit of quality on the ball, and has a tendency to drift very wide, which helps out the fullbacks, but often left Can totally on his own in the middle
Chamberlain (5) Yes, there were a few lovely set-piece deliveries and his ball-carrying was typically effective. But he's got no footballing brain at all. None. His brain shits itself when he gets near the opposition box
Lallana (5) Was typically involved and saw a lot of the ball, but other than winning a dodgy penalty, didn't do much of any real quality in possession and wasted a great chance with a pathetic effort at goal.
Mane (6) This might be generous. Probably a 5? His passing was largely fucking atrocious and he didn't create enough, but his quick feet and pace were a worry for the Bitters, even if he was below his usual level.
Firmino (6) Not sure if this is also generous. Typically hard-working and the occasional lovely touch and flick, but also a bit sloppy and never looked like scoring.
Subs:
Wijnaldum (6) Solid in possession, apart from one dreadful pass, he helped shore up the midfield.
Solanke (4) Oh dear. Followed up his last abysmal display with another atrocious - but thankfully short - shitshow
Just watched game now ... thoughts:
1) Penalty was soft, but considering their penalty a few weeks ago, karma.
2) vvd is class. Put aside how calm he looks, or the goal etc - I love how he was constantly talking ... He's a leader ... Now find him his partner, and a goalkeeper, and we're set.
3) Great performance by Robertson
4) I don't get how Everton had 11 players on the pitch - Rooney should have been off, and Holgate got away with nothing about shoving Firmino into the stands? What the fuck. If anything happens to Firmino it's bullshit. He did nothing wrong.
5) As much as our penalty was soft, Bolasie clearly fouls Matip on the build up to their goal.
6) Great game to watch ... must have been great in the stadium.
1) Penalty was soft, but considering their penalty a few weeks ago, karma.
2) vvd is class. Put aside how calm he looks, or the goal etc - I love how he was constantly talking ... He's a leader ... Now find him his partner, and a goalkeeper, and we're set.
3) Great performance by Robertson
4) I don't get how Everton had 11 players on the pitch - Rooney should have been off, and Holgate got away with nothing about shoving Firmino into the stands? What the fuck. If anything happens to Firmino it's bullshit. He did nothing wrong.
5) As much as our penalty was soft, Bolasie clearly fouls Matip on the build up to their goal.
6) Great game to watch ... must have been great in the stadium.
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If it's a foul which would lead to a direct free-kick elsewhere on the pitch (and it was) and it's committed in the area (which it was) it's a penalty. Lallana made the most of it but he was unquestionably fouled in the first place. "Soft" penalties don't exist. Either they're penos or they aren't, and this one was. The BBC "experts" talked the most dreadful load of cock about it all and I was disappointed with Murphy for getting drawn into agreeing with the rest.
I didn't think it was a penalty at all. The Lovren one on Calvert-Lewin last month was soft, but was more of a pen than this one. It was karma.
I also noticed that Calvert-Lewin got almost nothing from the ref all game. That penalty last month was definitely in the ref's mind.
I also noticed that Calvert-Lewin got almost nothing from the ref all game. That penalty last month was definitely in the ref's mind.
Shearer on Lallana dive: “Football’s a contact sport - you’re allowed to touch someone!”
Shearer on Calvert-Lewin dive: "You can’t give someone a reason to go down...”
Shearer on Calvert-Lewin dive: "You can’t give someone a reason to go down...”
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