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I think people looking for a yellow for di Maria are pretty fucking pathetic. He actually did us a favour. It was their throw. He thought the ball was out and misjudged it. We got a free kick, from what should have been a utd throw. Clutching at straws.

We were fucking awful 1st half and you can't start that bad and get it away with it every week. We did last week, we didn't this. Tough shit.
 
Piedro said:
I think people looking for a yellow for di Maria are pretty fucking pathetic. He actually did us a favour. It was their throw. He thought the ball was out and misjudged it. We got a free kick, from what should have been a utd throw. Clutching at straws.
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Eh? We didn't think we'd be awarded a replay because of di Maria. We just thought he should have been booked. What's the problem? Remember the endless replays of Mignolet outside his box a few weeks ago? That wasn't because all the critics were clutching at straws. It was because they thought he handled the ball. Why can't we discuss it?
 
It wasn't a booking. That's all I'm saying.

I'll agree the ref was shite but that particular moment, he got right.
 
United were just too good on the day.

I was really annoyed with Mignolet's performance, especially in regards to his kick.

De Gea kick the ball up the pitch & pretty much hit his target every single time (Fellaini).

Mignolet ... his kicks were all going out for throw ins & we'd be under the pump yet again.

I know he has been solid recently, but his kick has not improved at all.
 
Piedro said:
I think people looking for a yellow for di Maria are pretty fucking pathetic. He actually did us a favour. It was their throw. He thought the ball was out and misjudged it. We got a free kick, from what should have been a utd throw. Clutching at straws.

We were fucking awful 1st half and you can't start that bad and get it away with it every week. We did last week, we didn't this. Tough shit.
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It was their throw or at least he thought it was, he tried to get an advantage by getting it and taking a quick throw. In doing so he caught the ball deliberately, an automatic and mandatory yellow, not open for interpretation. Basically the ref decided to not follow the rules.

Doesn't change the fact we were shit, that's true. But it did show that the ref was poor.
 
Piedro said:
It wasn't a booking. That's all I'm saying.

I'll agree the ref was shite but that particular moment, he got right.
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Deliberate handball is surely a booking. You can't catch a ball accidentally. I don't get the clutching at straws thing, it doesn't make any sense - we've acknowledged the team was awful and didn't deserve anything from the game, but to therefore ban any discussion of any incidents is positively RAWK-like.
 
gkmacca said:
I despair at the way these kinds of matches are refereed.

Firstly, they tend to give players a ten minute window of impunity, because, er, it's unusually competitive. That begins the illogicality that dogs the whole game.

Then refs suddenly start penalising players for what they've spent the past ten minutes ignoring.

Then they allow themselves about twenty minutes pondering which one player to book as a warning to everyone else - it's a bit like waiting for your auntie at Christmas to decide which choccie she wants from the selection box.

Then in the second half they start getting really peeved with one team and really tolerant of the other, for no logical reason. It's probably not at all premeditated. They just seem to flip a coin mentally and use cards for one team and words for the other.

It's depressingly predictable and it happens time and again. The standard of refereeing is abysmal.
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If it's that predictable you'd think highly paid professionals would learn from it.
 
Red Mullet said:
I'm not so sure. We need @Rosco to read the rule book...



EDIT. I found this: - http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12_en.pdf



Only quickly scanned it but it never mentions a booking from a deliberate handball.
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While looking at that I was quietly amused by this bit (about what constitutes a red card):-


- denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)

Doh!
 
Piedro said:
I think people looking for a yellow for di Maria are pretty fucking pathetic. He actually did us a favour. It was their throw. He thought the ball was out and misjudged it. We got a free kick, from what should have been a utd throw. Clutching at straws.
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Ha, you always do this when we lose Pete.

You seem to hate it when anyone comments on a ref's performance. No one is using it as an excuse. It's a talking point is all. No one is clutching at straws mate. I think everyone is aware of how shite we played.
 
Not read the whole thread, Lllanna miss in the first half was awful


We payed over the odds for those type of chances to be converted to goals against the big teams
 
ILD said:
Ha, you always do this when we lose Pete.

You seem to hate it when anyone comments on a ref's performance. No one is using it as an excuse. It's a talking point is all. No one is clutching at straws mate. I think everyone is aware of how shite we played.
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Not at all. The Ref was shite. As were we.

I just think the games gone fucking mental if people are getting booked for shit like that. Its nothing. I find myself losing interest in football more and more because of the rules in place nowadays.

Rugby League is my new sport. Now there's a proper game.
 
I tend to agree with Piedro. Di Maria was only guilty of a misjudgement when he caught the ball. Whatever the rulebook says, a booking would have been harsh.
 
Piedro said:
Not at all. The Ref was shite. As were we.

I just think the games gone fucking mental if people are getting booked for shit like that. Its nothing. I find myself losing interest in football more and more because of the rules in place nowadays.

Rugby League is my new sport. Now there's a proper game.
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I call dibs on your season ticket then.
 
The rules don't even say deliberate handball is a yellow card, so that argument is incorrect.
 
Portly said:
I tend to agree with Piedro. Di Maria was only guilty of a misjudgement when he caught the ball. Whatever the rulebook says, a booking would have been harsh.
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Yes, but it's the inconsistency that rankles. I'm sure most people wouldn't give a toss if everyone got booked or no one did, but we get some booked even for accidental handball, some for a very slight touch of the hand when trying to control the ball, and some just carry on (often it seems refs simply interpret their licence in terms of where on the pitch it happens). It's the same with kicking the ball away: Coutinho has been booked twice, I think, this season for stopping a free kick being taken, while one manc player yesterday not only did the same but then - when simply told to go away by Atkinson - turned and kicked the ball away. Got nothing for it. Whether the idea of a bookable offence is right or wrong, or whether refs should have so much licence to interpret very loose ideas of procedure, is another question entirely. When most are booked for deliberate handball, it's not at all surprising when people wonder how Di Maria gets away with the kind of catch you'd normally see in cricket.
 
Could prove to be another watershed moment. Can BR ever win the games that make the difference between success and failure? He hasn't yet I don't think. Not trying to say he never will, just hasn't yet. Any time he's had the chance we've failed.
 
quote="Brizzle, post: 1263124, member: 229"]Well it is still a foul. Just not a definite yellow.[/quote]


He seemed to get away with it because he had The Lying Rag in his eyes and appeared to have lost his bearings. I can't wait for the next time a goalkeeper says, 'Ref, we'll have to strike that one off, The Lying Rag was in my eyes'.

But this again shows how much of the game in this wretched season for refereeing is down to the capriciousness of individuals. Atkinson is a classic example of the kind of ref who makes a point of holding up fingers to signal a player has committed a certain number of fouls before being booked, which only serves to make fans count the number of fouls that go unpunished by other players. There's a knowing inconsistency that is dressed up as foolish consistency. And of course, once you get inside the area, the madness increases: one ref will wave away accidental handball, another will award a pen; one will look at a tackle, another will merely evaluate the movement of the attacker. They are all over the place and it's ruining game after game.
 
If a goalkeeper catches a ball outside the box, due to a "misjudgment", he'll almost certainly get a yellow card. I fail to see what the difference is.
 
nealmac said:
If a goalkeeper catches a ball outside the box, due to a "misjudgment", he'll almost certainly get a yellow card. I fail to see what the difference is.
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Preventing a goalscoring opportunity? Those are the rules anyway.
 
There are lots of things that refs and their assistants just ignore unless it suddenly suits them to punish. Remember Westerveld getting penalised for taking the ball a fraction outside the area when he was kicking upfield against Bolton? Keepers do that all the time and it's just ignored. It happened several times yesterday with both keepers. Then there's the recent stupid fashion for players placing the ball at a corner just outside the arc; linesmen can see it and obviously think it's not worth the hassle of calling out. It's like law administered by relativists.
 
In fairness to the officials in those situations, any who did pull players up on such things would promptly be castigated for lack of "common sense".
 
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