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Mahrez.... Form or class?

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14 games, 10 goals, 6 assists.

On form he might be the best player in the league at the minute.

But, is he actually any good? Or is he going to come back down to earth soon?

He played twice as many games last season and had a lot less productivity. But he's 24, clearly at his peak now and arguably has simply adjusted to the Premiership.
 
He was signed by lester using moneyball type stats.

Always had skill, though under performed.

Having watched lester closely againt scum, him and vardy do look good.......more than a flash in pan as have good movement.
 
Ranieri have always been a great team builder. He isn't that great taking care of top class players with a big ego but he is great making players like Mahrez look better than they are.
 
He was signed by lester using moneyball type stats.

Always had skill, though under performed.

Having watched lester closely againt scum, him and vardy do look good.......more than a flash in pan as have good movement.

What moneyball stats?
 
Ranieri have always been a great team builder. He isn't that great taking care of top class players with a big ego but he is great making players like Mahrez look better than they are.

No he hasn't. In 30 years of management he's won two Cups. He's a chancer.
 
He hasn't claimed it to be the reason they are top of the league. Just a tool to identify a player.
 
Did you click the link?

It's a tenner a month to join.

Bargain.

Wow, that seems like a total bargain to unlock the secret of Moneyball football transfers and be top of the league. Now everyone will be doing it.
Silly Leicester revealing their tricks and secrets.
 
He looks a very, very good player. He may not look as good in another team as Leicester are set up to get the best from him and Vardy, but he's still very good.
 
He looks a very, very good player. He may not look as good in another team as Leicester are set up to get the best from him and Vardy, but he's still very good.

Leicester are having one of those golden moments that many teams have; all of their players are suddenly "clicking" at the right time, their form hits a zenith, injuries are few, luck goes their way, and all of the new, slightly risky signings seem to be worldbeaters.

It won't last, because it never does. They haven't the money, depth of squad or overall quality, and Ranieri isn't a top manager. Players will get injured, or decide that they deserve bigger and better than Leicester. Form will wane. Results will start to go the other way.

Vardy and Mahrez are in the form of their lives, true. But I think that one of their most important players is actually that little black lad in DM. He's incredibly mobile, and simply buzzes around the pitch worrying the ball off the opposition, and then uses it well. He's been fantastic for them. And will be another to leave in summer, probably.

Kante is his name. £5.5m from Caen.
 
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That a "moneyball" strategy was viable or had any value in Premiership football.

I'm not sure you know what moneyball is. All it does it say that there are certain values that are underrated by some, so that there is values in players that isn't common knowledge, and that you should exploit that.
 
I'm not sure you know what moneyball is. All it does it say that there are certain values that are underrated by some, so that there is values in players that isn't common knowledge, and that you should exploit that.

Woah, like a secret formula for footballing success and glory, all done without spending loads of money?!

We should do that!
 
Dated 16 Aug 2015

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...cester-success-is-a-victory-for-good-scouting
[article]We examine Riyad Mahrez's journey from the French second division to Premier League top goalscorer and the technical scouting that helped make it possible...

They know all about Riyad Mahrez in Leicester. But as a nation scrambles to adjust their fantasy football teams, the Algerian is attracting greater attention than ever. How could he not? He’s the Premier League’s top goalscorer and his team spent Saturday night on top of the table.

Mahrez has been superb, netting twice in a 4-2 win over Sunderland and scoring what turned out to be the winner against West Ham on Saturday. But it hasn’t just been the goals that have captured the imagination.

The 24-year-old also ranks in the top 10 for chances created and dribbles completed. Indeed, given that Mahrez’s signing came about with significant input from Leicester’s scouting department, those numbers might just be the most intriguing.

Rob Mackenzie, now at Tottenham, was the club’s head of technical scouting at the time and tells the story of how the winger found his way to the King Power Stadium, signing an initial three-and-a-half year contract as the Foxes paid Le Havre £350,000 for the winger.

“In January (2014) we identified that we wanted to bring in a wide player,” Mackenzie told Sky Sports. “Maybe one who wouldn’t necessarily need to hit the ground running but someone who could challenge the guys we already had.

“So we went and looked around the second-tier options in reputable leagues like Spain, France and Germany as well as our own leagues. We also looked at the top divisions in places like Switzerland.

“We wanted someone whose contract was expiring in the summer because we thought there might be an opportunity to get them out for a smaller fee and we’d have more bargaining power.

“We were looking for an outstanding player in that league aged between 20 and 22. So we did all the statistical profiling and after the process we were able to sign Riyad Mahrez from Le Havre. He’s an example of a statistical process that resulted in a player.”

As planned, Mahrez was eased into things in the Championship but played an important role in their title-winning campaign nevertheless, emerging as a fan favourite thanks to an equaliser at rivals Nottingham Forest after Leicester had been reduced to 10 men.

Nigel Pearson was careful to manage his workload. “Riyad has had a very big learning curve in the past 18 months when you consider he joined from a small French club, coming into English football and a big change of culture,” he told the Leicester Mercury in May.

“The Championship is not an easy division to settle in, in many ways, especially with the type of player he is. It has been full-on. He hasn't had any breaks. When you consider all those scenarios, I think he has done very well. He is still a young player.”

Mahrez had his moments in that first Premier League season, scoring twice against Southampton the very first time his mother came to watch him play in England. In all, there were four goals, three assists and plenty of praise.

However, as you might expect of a player purchased through statistical evidence it requires a deeper look to tease out just what makes Mahrez such a special asset for Leicester. The stats for clear chances created are particularly illuminating.

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Opta define a clear chance as one that a player might reasonably be expected to score and only three Premier League players - Angel Di Maria, Cesc Fabregas and Dusan Tadic - carved them out more regularly than Mahrez last season.

Some questioned his selfishness in search of a hat-trick on the opening day against Sunderland, but this habit of setting up team-mates for clear openings might help explain his popularity with supporters and colleagues alike.

“He’s an exciting player who gets people on the edge of their seats with his creativity and pace,” said Leicester goalkeeper Kasper Schmeichel. “He has the quality to create something out of nothing and those are the players every team wants to have.

“He’s got very quick feet and he is a very good striker of the ball if given a sight of goal, but most importantly he has a quick mind when it comes to being creative. That can make all the difference.”

It’s not the typical description of a player expected to flourish in a recently promoted side. Graft and toil are the traditional prerequisites for that. And Mahrez still has much to learn. The responsibilities of the wide role can be a challenge.

“He probably gets a bit tired of myself and his team-mates reminding him what he has to do when we haven't got the ball, but that is part of it,” said Pearson in the early part of last season as the scale of the task ahead started to become apparent.

“For us to be an effective side, we have to have all our players understand how the team functions. One of the dangers for people like Riyad would be that expectation can climb through the roof if you're not careful.

“What can go with that, and what's probably not as easy to deal with, is those expectation levels may change. We have to keep an eye on how players develop. He’s a young player and he will make mistakes but he will also have a very positive impact.”

Perhaps that explains why, after an eight game winless streak, five of Mahrez’s last six starts under Pearson came at home with the player eventually finding favour playing with freedom behind two strikers in a 3-4-1-2 formation.

That presented a problem for new manager Claudio Ranieri, a man fond of the 4-4-2 for much of his coaching career. Playing Mahrez on the flank might have seemed a risk but the benefits of getting him in one-on-one situations against a full-back were obvious.

Against West Ham on Saturday, Sky Sports co-commentator Tony Gale was impressed. “He’s a really tricky player in that he feints to go on his left, then his right, then back on his left again,” said Gale. “He was terrific last season and he’s going to get even better.”

Identified by the scouts, educated by Pearson and unleashed by Ranieri, Mahrez signed a new four-year deal earlier this month and has now scored five goals in his last five Premier League games. Get him in those fantasy teams. He’s worth rather more than £350,000 now.[/article]
 
Dated 29 Sep 2014

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/9427945/the-science-of-scouting-signings

[article]As part of our new series, Leicester City’s head of technical scouting Rob Mackenzie explains the processes behind the acquisition of players from home and abroad.

The recruitment strategies of some clubs may seem like a case of sticking pins in a board while blindfolded but the reality is that the processes behind player acquisition in modern football are exhaustive.

Technical scouting now plays an important role in that decision-making process as biographical profiles, statistical analysis and video evidence are all factored in before a deal is close to being signed off.

Rob Mackenzie’s role at Leicester has seen him use data to help pinpoint potential signings that went on to play a part in the team’s push for the Premier League. “In January we identified that we wanted to bring in a wide player,” he tells Sky Sports.

“Maybe one who wouldn’t necessarily need to hit the ground running but someone who could challenge the guys we already had. So we went and looked around the second-tier options in reputable leagues like Spain, France and Germany as well as our own leagues.

“We also looked at the top divisions in places like Switzerland. We wanted someone whose contract was expiring in the summer because we thought there might be an opportunity to get them out for a smaller fee and we’d have more bargaining power. We were looking for an outstanding player in that league aged between 20 and 22.

“So we did all the statistical profiling and came up with five players. Of the five, we came up with three that were really interesting who we wanted to go and watch. We then had a period of going to watch those three and then decided on the one we wanted to buy.

“Fortunately, after the process, we were able to sign Riyad Mahrez from Le Havre. He then went to the World Cup with Algeria. He’s an example of a statistical process that resulted in a player.” Mahrez has had an impact too – wowing fans with a wonder goal against Blackpool and settling in well.

Of course, sometimes a signing can come from closer to home and that’s what happened with the summer purchase of Marc Albrighton from Aston Villa. “He’s a player we’ve monitored for a number of years now,” adds Mackenzie. “We have a number of staff who are Birmingham-based and have been aware of him since he was a kid.”

Despite Albrighton being a known quantity, the same scouting principles apply and there has been some sound statistical logic behind the purchase. “Every year we go through the process of looking at the players who will be out of contract the following season. Then we go about our analysis and profiling to see whether those players could help us with what we’re about.

“Marc Albrighton was one of those players who when we looked at him statistically we thought could do that. At the moment, we have wide players who like to come in off the line so we wanted someone who could complement that and be a bit more direct and positive in attacking the line.

“If you look at the stats of players who played more than 10 games in the Premier League last season, only five players created more chances per minute than Marc Albrighton (David Silva, Willian, Samir Nasri, Juan Mata & Mesut Ozil). He also delivered more crosses per minute than any other player who started a Premier League game. Insights like that were important for us because although he didn’t play all the time for Aston Villa, using the stats and profiling we were able to say that when he did actually play he’d been very effective.

“That coupled with the fact that his contract was coming to an end and he maybe hadn’t had an extended run in the side made him realistic. When we looked at it further with video analysis and going to see him live, things like his work rate became apparent too and that’s very important to us.

“Here’s a guy who is still on an upward curve in his career and he ticks the biographical profile, the potential availability profile and in terms of statistical performance he’s different to what we have.” Signing a player. There’s a bit more to it than you might think.[/article]
 
Dated 29 Sep 2014

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11662/9427945/the-science-of-scouting-signings

[article]As part of our new series, Leicester City’s head of technical scouting Rob Mackenzie explains the processes behind the acquisition of players from home and abroad.

The recruitment strategies of some clubs may seem like a case of sticking pins in a board while blindfolded but the reality is that the processes behind player acquisition in modern football are exhaustive.

Technical scouting now plays an important role in that decision-making process as biographical profiles, statistical analysis and video evidence are all factored in before a deal is close to being signed off.

Rob Mackenzie’s role at Leicester has seen him use data to help pinpoint potential signings that went on to play a part in the team’s push for the Premier League. “In January we identified that we wanted to bring in a wide player,” he tells Sky Sports.

“Maybe one who wouldn’t necessarily need to hit the ground running but someone who could challenge the guys we already had. So we went and looked around the second-tier options in reputable leagues like Spain, France and Germany as well as our own leagues.

“We also looked at the top divisions in places like Switzerland. We wanted someone whose contract was expiring in the summer because we thought there might be an opportunity to get them out for a smaller fee and we’d have more bargaining power. We were looking for an outstanding player in that league aged between 20 and 22.

“So we did all the statistical profiling and came up with five players. Of the five, we came up with three that were really interesting who we wanted to go and watch. We then had a period of going to watch those three and then decided on the one we wanted to buy.

“Fortunately, after the process, we were able to sign Riyad Mahrez from Le Havre. He then went to the World Cup with Algeria. He’s an example of a statistical process that resulted in a player.” Mahrez has had an impact too – wowing fans with a wonder goal against Blackpool and settling in well.

Of course, sometimes a signing can come from closer to home and that’s what happened with the summer purchase of Marc Albrighton from Aston Villa. “He’s a player we’ve monitored for a number of years now,” adds Mackenzie. “We have a number of staff who are Birmingham-based and have been aware of him since he was a kid.”

Despite Albrighton being a known quantity, the same scouting principles apply and there has been some sound statistical logic behind the purchase. “Every year we go through the process of looking at the players who will be out of contract the following season. Then we go about our analysis and profiling to see whether those players could help us with what we’re about.

“Marc Albrighton was one of those players who when we looked at him statistically we thought could do that. At the moment, we have wide players who like to come in off the line so we wanted someone who could complement that and be a bit more direct and positive in attacking the line.

“If you look at the stats of players who played more than 10 games in the Premier League last season, only five players created more chances per minute than Marc Albrighton (David Silva, Willian, Samir Nasri, Juan Mata & Mesut Ozil). He also delivered more crosses per minute than any other player who started a Premier League game. Insights like that were important for us because although he didn’t play all the time for Aston Villa, using the stats and profiling we were able to say that when he did actually play he’d been very effective.

“That coupled with the fact that his contract was coming to an end and he maybe hadn’t had an extended run in the side made him realistic. When we looked at it further with video analysis and going to see him live, things like his work rate became apparent too and that’s very important to us.

“Here’s a guy who is still on an upward curve in his career and he ticks the biographical profile, the potential availability profile and in terms of statistical performance he’s different to what we have.” Signing a player. There’s a bit more to it than you might think.[/article]

Yeah, there certainly is. Where are all of the articles eulogising about Shinji Okazaki, Leonardo Ulloa, Jeff Schlupp, Joe Dodoo and Nathan Dyer? Did they use the same amazing scouting system to sign these gems. or does the £10 subscription fee for Wyscout only deliver a certain amount of recommendations?
 
Yeah, there certainly is. Where are all of the articles eulogising about Shinji Okazaki, Leonardo Ulloa, Jeff Schlupp, Joe Dodoo and Nathan Dyer? Did they use the same amazing scouting system to sign these gems. or does the £10 subscription fee for Wyscout only deliver a certain amount of recommendations?
Did you read the article? Oh, and look at the dates of the article.

So we did all the statistical profiling and came up with five players. Of the five, we came up with three that were really interesting who we wanted to go and watch. We then had a period of going to watch those three and then decided on the one we wanted to buy.
 
Every top club probably use both FM and Wyscout. They probably look at the stats on FM and then watch him on Wyscout and after that send out scouts to watch the player if they are interested. It would take to long time to find a player yourself. A club would also need a lot more scouts.
 
Did you read the article?

So we did all the statistical profiling and came up with five players. Of the five, we came up with three that were really interesting who we wanted to go and watch. We then had a period of going to watch those three and then decided on the one we wanted to buy.

I'm not sure what your point is
 
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