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Life After Benitez: The Contenders

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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39818.msg1087998#msg1087998 date=1271276596]
I'd prefer to split the role up and appoint Kenny Dalglish as Technical Director responsible for squad additions, the scouting network, the youth system etc.

Then have a coach to take the training, decide tactics, pick the matchday lineups etc and deal with the day to day football end of things.

Very few managers can do the whole job well on their own.
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Has that system ever worked in England? And what makes you think Kenny would be any good as a technical director?
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Probably not, but that's not to say it can't.

Primarily I'd like a technical director who can evaluate a player, I think Kenny can do that. He has immediate credibility in the role too.
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He did an awesome job of that at Celtic.
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I'd have to say, if the above is acceptable for Rafa, then i can't think of any solution out there that is better than having Kenny as the technical director and Rafa as the coach.

Mourinho will never accept to something like that. May be Kenny and Mon can do a good job of it as a team?

Rafa's inability to work well with his backroom staff is hurting the team. He has chopped and changed his backroom staff based on his whim, and it has made us go backwards. For a man who comes across as an introvert and a soft spoken gentle man...he has got a huge ego.
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As opposed to Mourinho of course.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39818.msg1087998#msg1087998 date=1271276596]
I'd prefer to split the role up and appoint Kenny Dalglish as Technical Director responsible for squad additions, the scouting network, the youth system etc.

Then have a coach to take the training, decide tactics, pick the matchday lineups etc and deal with the day to day football end of things.

Very few managers can do the whole job well on their own.
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Has that system ever worked in England? And what makes you think Kenny would be any good as a technical director?
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Probably not, but that's not to say it can't.

Primarily I'd like a technical director who can evaluate a player, I think Kenny can do that. He has immediate credibility in the role too.
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He did an awesome job of that at Celtic.
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I'd have to say, if the above is acceptable for Rafa, then i can't think of any solution out there that is better than having Kenny as the technical director and Rafa as the coach.

Mourinho will never accept to something like that. May be Kenny and Mon can do a good job of it as a team?

Rafa's inability to work well with his backroom staff is hurting the team. He has chopped and changed his backroom staff based on his whim, and it has made us go backwards. For a man who comes across as an introvert and a soft spoken gentle man...he has got a huge ego.
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As opposed to Mourinho of course.
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Ha!
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39818.msg1087998#msg1087998 date=1271276596]
I'd prefer to split the role up and appoint Kenny Dalglish as Technical Director responsible for squad additions, the scouting network, the youth system etc.

Then have a coach to take the training, decide tactics, pick the matchday lineups etc and deal with the day to day football end of things.

Very few managers can do the whole job well on their own.
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Has that system ever worked in England? And what makes you think Kenny would be any good as a technical director?
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...or that any manager would support it?

No chance. How many managers want someone above them buying the players?
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=39818.msg1088144#msg1088144 date=1271305142]
I'd have to say, if the above is acceptable for Rafa, then i can't think of any solution out there that is better than having Kenny as the technical director and Rafa as the coach.
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Because Benitez's strong points are his team selections, substitutions, style of play, and player motivation.

Right-o
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

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Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 unlikely options?
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

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Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 options?
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I'd get O'Neill or Rijkaard and put them on a one-year rolling contract. See what they can do, and if another, better manager becomes available, let them go without having to pay a huge sum in compensation. That may seem short-termist, but I honestly think we need a change of manager to avoid our players getting permanently stuck in this horrible rut they're in.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

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Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 unlikely options?
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Question for you Rafa4PM.

If Rafa (Benitez) were to walk away from Liverpool at the end of the season, say to the Juve job, without in any way being pushed, would you think any lesser of him?
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

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Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 unlikely options?
[/quote]

Question for you Rafa4PM.

If Rafa (Benitez) were to walk away from Liverpool at the end of the season, say to the Juve job, without in any way being pushed, would you think any lesser of him?
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I can't speak for Rafa4PM but I couldn't blame him for walking away.

He's a successful manager with a long list of credits trying to operate in a badly run club.

He's infected (as all of us are) by the emotional pull that Liverpool FC have and continues to believe when any objective analysis would tell you to move on to a more stable environment.

As I've said before, you can bring in the new Messiah and although it may have a short term effect it will not fix the structural problems at the club.

Competent Directors, cash to compete for the top players, a stadium that befits a great club and a serious attempt to cash in on our brand are what's needed. And before it's too late.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

[/quote]

Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 options?
[/quote]

I'd get O'Neill or Rijkaard and put them on a one-year rolling contract. See what they can do, and if another, better manager becomes available, let them go without having to pay a huge sum in compensation. That may seem short-termist, but I honestly think we need a change of manager to avoid our players getting permanently stuck in this horrible rut they're in.
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I can fully understand the calls for change, especially if we could get the likes of Capello or Jose to come in.

I'd be gutted if we did as you suggest above though. Not only is it short-termist, but we'd be getting in a clearly inferior manager.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39818.msg1088210#msg1088210 date=1271320845]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

[/quote]

Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 options?
[/quote]

I'd get O'Neill or Rijkaard and put them on a one-year rolling contract. See what they can do, and if another, better manager becomes available, let them go without having to pay a huge sum in compensation. That may seem short-termist, but I honestly think we need a change of manager to avoid our players getting permanently stuck in this horrible rut they're in.
[/quote]

That would be a decent, short-term solution on our end. But would either of those managers agree to a one-year rolling contract? Of course not.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1088215#msg1088215 date=1271321168]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39818.msg1088210#msg1088210 date=1271320845]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

[/quote]

Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 options?
[/quote]

I'd get O'Neill or Rijkaard and put them on a one-year rolling contract. See what they can do, and if another, better manager becomes available, let them go without having to pay a huge sum in compensation. That may seem short-termist, but I honestly think we need a change of manager to avoid our players getting permanently stuck in this horrible rut they're in.
[/quote]

That would be a decent, short-term solution on our end. But would either of those managers agree to a one-year rolling contract? Of course not.
[/quote]Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddd! My motherfucker!
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39818.msg1088210#msg1088210 date=1271320845]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

[/quote]

Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 unlikely options?
[/quote]

Question for you Rafa4PM.

If Rafa (Benitez) were to walk away from Liverpool at the end of the season, say to the Juve job, without in any way being pushed, would you think any lesser of him?
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Depends on his reasons i guess mate.

If he thought that the fans wanted him out, then no i wouldn't.

Other than the above being the case, then yes, i' think i'd lose a lot of the respect that i have for the man.
 
Only Mourinho fits the bill and he won't come until matters off the pitch are sorted.

Managers who accept rolling contracts are either unsure of their abilities or availability and should be avoided.

Proper manager, proper contract, in a properly run club.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39818.msg1088210#msg1088210 date=1271320845]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

[/quote]

Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 options?
[/quote]

I'd get O'Neill or Rijkaard and put them on a one-year rolling contract. See what they can do, and if another, better manager becomes available, let them go without having to pay a huge sum in compensation. That may seem short-termist, but I honestly think we need a change of manager to avoid our players getting permanently stuck in this horrible rut they're in.
[/quote]

That would be a decent, short-term solution on our end. But would either of those managers agree to a one-year rolling contract? Of course not.
[/quote]

I think MON is on a similar contract now (i could be wrong).
 
I'd get O'Neill or Rijkaard and put them on a one-year rolling contract. See what they can do, and if another, better manager becomes available, let them go without having to pay a huge sum in compensation. That may seem short-termist, but I honestly think we need a change of manager to avoid our players getting permanently stuck in this horrible rut they're in.
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That would be a decent, short-term solution on our end. But would either of those managers agree to a one-year rolling contract? Of course not.
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Yes, of course O'Neill wouldn't agree to a one-year rolling contract, what with him always working on one-year rolling contracts throughout his entire managerial career.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39818.msg1088210#msg1088210 date=1271320845]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39818.msg1087993#msg1087993 date=1271276385]
Mourinho and Capello are the standout candidates. Not sure how likely either of them are, but those are the two you'd want.

[/quote]

Thats quite clearly the view most share on here I think Bunny.

You're obviously one of the posters who wants a change of manager, so what do we do if we can't land one of those 2 options?
[/quote]

I'd get O'Neill or Rijkaard and put them on a one-year rolling contract. See what they can do, and if another, better manager becomes available, let them go without having to pay a huge sum in compensation. That may seem short-termist, but I honestly think we need a change of manager to avoid our players getting permanently stuck in this horrible rut they're in.
[/quote]

That would be a decent, short-term solution on our end. But would either of those managers agree to a one-year rolling contract? Of course not.
[/quote]

I think MON is on a similar contract now (i could be wrong).
[/quote]

Yes, yes he is. A one year rolling contract with Villa.
 
I really believe all this talk about Capello and Mourinho beeing the only viable options is a bit narrowminded and quite frankly wrong.

Wenger, Ferguson and Mourinho wasn't the most succesful managers at the time they took over the helm at their respective clubs. There are loads of managerial talents outthere who aren't always the most obvious candidates but from whom new top-drawer managers will arise.

How many of you would've even considered Guardialo a few years ago? None. No experience what so ever but as he holds a lot of knowledge of his club and has got loads of passion and the right ideas he's made it work within no time.

In ten years time from now there will be other names right upthere with the vey best who isn't anywhere near that level yet and if we are to change manager I'd be keeping my fingers crossed that we'd go for someone younger, talented, charismatic, ambitious and attacking-minded.

Give him the right backroom staff - I'm really warming towards the idea of a foreign manager with those attributes combined with Carraghers knowledge, passion and gut - and we could be in for a treat.

As long as our star-players accepts the new name, believes in him, it's not that big a risk either. At the end of the day Torres will still be Torres. Masher will stil be Masher. etc.

The only manager I can think of who differs from this, who doesn't tick those young/talented/attackingminded-boxes but whom I'd still appreciate is Marcelo Lippi. He's such a classy manager with loads of succes and I've always seen him as Cappellos superior which he probably is, hence he's the Italian manager and not the latter.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39818.msg1088241#msg1088241 date=1271323904]
I'd get O'Neill or Rijkaard and put them on a one-year rolling contract. See what they can do, and if another, better manager becomes available, let them go without having to pay a huge sum in compensation. That may seem short-termist, but I honestly think we need a change of manager to avoid our players getting permanently stuck in this horrible rut they're in.
Click to expand...

That would be a decent, short-term solution on our end. But would either of those managers agree to a one-year rolling contract? Of course not.
[/quote]

Yes, of course O'Neill wouldn't agree to a one-year rolling contract, what with him always working on one-year rolling contracts throughout his entire managerial career.
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i guess that could be an option in that case......

however.. i would be quite disappointed.

it would be like going to an alcohol store and looking to buy an expensive, matured bottle of Shiraz and leaving with a warm can of
carling.
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39818.msg1088249#msg1088249 date=1271325051]
Maureen's the favourite.
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What are the odds on him taking the Madrid hot-seat?
 
How about Pako - the players loved him.

Sami Hyypia to come back with Didi Hamann assisting.

Gary Mac..

Zidane... perhaps his home was purchased for a moment just like this..

Paulo Maldini..

Dunga?

Hagi?
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=39818.msg1088249#msg1088249 date=1271325051]
Maureen's the favourite.
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hes also fav to be next scum manager too tho
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=39818.msg1088244#msg1088244 date=1271324545]
I really believe all this talk about Capello and Mourinho beeing the only viable options is a bit narrowminded and quite frankly wrong.

Wenger, Ferguson and Mourinho wasn't the most succesful managers at the time they took over the helm at their respective clubs. There are loads of managerial talents outthere who aren't always the most obvious candidates but from whom new top-drawer managers will arise.

How many of you would've even considered Guardialo a few years ago? None. No experience what so ever but as he holds a lot of knowledge of his club and has got loads of passion and the right ideas he's made it work within no time.

In ten years time from now there will be other names right upthere with the vey best who isn't anywhere near that level yet and if we are to change manager I'd be keeping my fingers crossed that we'd go for someone younger, talented, charismatic, ambitious and attacking-minded.

Give him the right backroom staff - I'm really warming towards the idea of a foreign manager with those attributes combined with Carraghers knowledge, passion and gut - and we could be in for a treat.

As long as our star-players accepts the new name, believes in him, it's not that big a risk either. At the end of the day Torres will still be Torres. Masher will stil be Masher. etc.

The only manager I can think of who differs from this, who doesn't tick those young/talented/attackingminded-boxes but whom I'd still appreciate is Marcelo Lippi. He's such a classy manager with loads of succes and I've always seen him as Cappellos superior which he probably is, hence he's the Italian manager and not the latter.
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i think you're probably right about there being more goo alternatives than just mourinho an capello. eg - just cos he's been in the limelight recently really - surely van gaal would be a much better option than someone like o'neill? if mourniho's not possible then a good, proven, english-speaking coach like him might be a better way to go than just holding onto benitez - at least he'd blow the cobwebs away. there must be other examples like this, surely?
 
Im probably going to get shot or thrown off the forum for this but i think David Moyes could do a good job here.

:-\
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=39818.msg1088264#msg1088264 date=1271327210]
Im probably going to get shot or thrown off the forum for this but i think David Moyes could do a good job here.

:-\

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Yeah..... get out.

He took a superior squad - at least according to some on here - and lost 7-0 on aggregate to Benfica.

He's doing an ok job but I really can't seem him make it at highest level. We are beating them every time too aren't we?
 
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=39818.msg1088264#msg1088264 date=1271327210]
Im probably going to get shot or thrown off the forum for this but i think David Moyes could do a good job here.

:-\

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Oh behave, I wouldn't have that bitter, goggle-eyed "We are The Peeple's Club" ginger Jock cunt anywhere near Anfield, except when he's taking a fucking shoeing in the derby.

And he wouldn't dare come anyway.
 
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