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Poll Kenny approval rating?
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It's Kenny so it'd be a painful end but I've no faith in him and would prefer it if he wasn't manager next season. And if it's a choice between winning the FA Cup and having a new manager then I'd gladly take the new manager.
Could be our last trophy for another 6 years though.. would you take the risk?
Tbh I don't give a fuck about trophies qua trophies. I care about success and us striving to be the best, and right now I think the domestic cups are little more than relics. There was a time when they were a sound measure of a good team, and were desirable because of that. Maybe it would be better if they still were. But they're not, and so I can't pretend otherwise.
So, yes it would be a risk worth taking - or rather, it wouldn't, because it wouldn't be a risk at all.
I'd like to give him a year. I just want to see him be a bit more humble and show he's prepared to ring in the changes.
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Maybe they have done a bit more than "fuck all" but have they really done enough and are they ever going to be good enough for the team we are hopefully aiming to be ?
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What would also be interesting to gauge is how many people would still want him as manager next season if he wasn't Kenny and just some other manager like hodgson or someone from europe .
The post of the day right there. But only cos most of my good ones fell before 12am.
Anyway, some nice sentiment and comments towards the King in this thread, which is good to see.
But he's bought horrendously, he's tactically inept, we're in the worst league position for about half a century, and the results have proved it all. We have to judge him on what he is - a manager with a fuckload spent, not on the dude he was with us 30 years ago.
Get rid, he's been fucking shite.
Yea Oncy, it's all about the phrasing here.
The fact is, if he wasn't still the king, we wouldn't be having this discussion, he'd either be gone, or we'd be counting the days till the summer, when we'd know with a certainty he'd be gone.
The fact is, if he wasn't still the king, we wouldn't be having this discussion, he'd either be gone, or we'd be counting the days till the summer, when we'd know with a certainty he'd be gone.
Egzackly.
Which leads me to believe people aren't judging him on what he's doing now as our manager, but on the guy whom we love for what he did way back when.
I would trust Kenny to decide if he thinks he can turn the current situation around. I'm sure he'll move aside if he thinks he can't.
I think that's a dangerous way of looking at it, to be honest.
To be a manager, you surely have to believe in what you're doing. There has to be an ego there, and egos add a layer of complexity to everything. Who wants to admit that they've failed, or that they don't have what it takes to put things right? That's not the attitude that got Kenny where he is today. I'm sure he is devastated at how things have gone, and I'm sure he has every faith he can turn it around. Indeed, he probably thinks he owes it to the club to turn it around. Similarly, I've no doubt he thought that Downing, Carroll, Henderson, and Adam would prove to be a mouthwatering attacking quartet. And therein lies the problem, and the reason why most managers are sacked before they get around to standing down.
I just hope that we're so scared of English based players, we decided to splurge 75 million on some proper continental talent that would make all of us happy (& hopefully the club successful!)
75mil?
I'd bet money we won't spend more than 40m (gross) 15m (nett) and it will be less if kenny and is staff are paid off.
I'd bet money we won't spend more than 40m (gross) 15m (nett) and it will be less if kenny and is staff are paid off.
As much as I want kenny to be given time if the losses continue his position will be untenable, so time will tell if the players are playing for him or if they want a fresh start in the summer but if kenny is removed I don't see there being a big transfer window because FSG don't strike me as the type of owners to dip into their own pockets.
If kenny wins the fa ca cup, as far as im concerned this should be put to bed.
2x trophies would be very impressive after 18 months in the job, like EVERY manager, woy included, a manager deserves both time and the opportunity to right Wrongs.
If this is a bad season imagine what were capable of during a good one?!
2x trophies would be very impressive after 18 months in the job, like EVERY manager, woy included, a manager deserves both time and the opportunity to right Wrongs.
If this is a bad season imagine what were capable of during a good one?!
The season is a write off, if he can't change things round now and incorporate a few players who've either not had a reasonable chance (Shelvey) or been criminally sidelined (Maxi), then he's onto a hiding. The next three games are going to be difficult anyway with Doni in goal, though I've a feeling we might get at Villa regardless. The real crunch game is obviously the semi-final. With an untried keeper who clearly hasn't even earned enough trust to start against the likes of Brighton away, it has the potential to be disastrous, and that's when the pressure will really hit a high.
Oh come off it, Peter, of course it would. The "Something must be done" approach is what landed us with Hodgson.
Strongly endorse your last sentence. As far as the rest is concerned: the Carling Cup alone is one trophy more than most teams will win, and Hodgson got all the time he deserved - he had us in the bottom three at one stage, and said himself that he couldn't work in any way other than the one he was using. It would have been madness to leave him in charge any longer.
If you remember I didnt want Kenny at the time, (the young sexy v-neck stuff) and I still dont think hes the right man for the job.
I just see more danger changing him now (especially having won a trophy) and being the kind of team that has 4 managers in 3 years.
Ideally Kenny would ask to step aside in summer and we would in bring in Emery (Unai not Dick) or some sexy grey v-neck wearing cunt but i dont think we should be the kinda club who ge rid after one season, especially after winning silverware (possibly x 2)
They are completely different circumstances, and that is not what landed us with Hodgson.
Why wasn't it? Rafa had a poor season and frustrations with him were at an all time high, so he went. The only difference (between him and Kenny) is that Rafa had had 6 years at it.
It was a case of something must be done, we thought we needed to return to basics and have a manager that would keep it simple, in contrast to Rafa, who was criticised for over complicating the game and team selections. It was the wrong decision ultimately. And of course there are similarities, a manager struggling raises questions about his future and leads to a successor being brought in. Or in Hodgson's case, a blundering mess.
It was a case of something must be done, we thought we needed to return to basics and have a manager that would keep it simple, in contrast to Rafa, who was criticised for over complicating the game and team selections. It was the wrong decision ultimately. And of course there are similarities, a manager struggling raises questions about his future and leads to a successor being brought in. Or in Hodgson's case, a blundering mess.
It wasnt the wrong decision mate. Maybe the wrong option (Hodgson) but the decision was sound. The last 18 months under Rafa were a fucking abortion.
Not so much 'interesting' as 'hopelessly hypothetical'.
without going over old ground there were reasons why we were getting worse season on season and that is because money from sales wasn't being reinvested into the playing squad.
it was a mistake to get rid of rafa. gh fucked up for one season and was given a chance to correct his mistake (by finishing 4th) so why wasn't rafa given the same courtesy? impatience is what has got us into this fucking mess in the first place.
I voted yes.....because obviously he's still the King. But perhaps not the best man for the job he's currently in. Time will tell I suppose!
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Elvis, Kenny, Arthur... some guys will just always be known as 'The King', this no matter how fat they get, how many games of football they loose or how many round-table session it'll take them to get things done.
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