Keane: Gerrard, Reina & Co must take blame for Kop plight
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Of course they must
Yeah the players take the blame for sure....how someone like Steven Gerrard is culpable for being injured the major part of last two seasons is beyond me. It's not in his control. I doubt he wanted to be injured.
This is not Chelsea...we don't have players pulling rank on the manager. Kenny Dalglish had the respect of the dressing room and fans. He backed the players to the hilt. Sometimes when things don't work out you've gotto getup dust yourself up and do better. The sacking of Dalglish was needless....there is no point in pointing fingers at the manager, players etc. The transfers were a major fuck up, yes, as was the Suarez affair, but those are not things that couldn't be rectified even without spending much money in this transfer window.
I have a feeling Comolli, Dalglish etc got the sacking for the poor handling of the Suarez affair, more than the transfer window. They probably gave the impression to the management they were in control and they comically let things spiral out of control.
The transfer window spend (with the exception of Downing) was all on players with not much premiership/top-flight experience behind them (Suarez, Carroll, Henderson, Adam - all had less than two years top flight experience), so the American's ought to have known that it could be a difficult first season. I find it hard to believe they used that alone as the stick to beat Kenny with
This highlights how big a fuck up buying Downing for 20million was......it was a proper thicko move, whoever was behind that move would be wondering what could have been...
This is not Chelsea...we don't have players pulling rank on the manager. Kenny Dalglish had the respect of the dressing room and fans. He backed the players to the hilt. Sometimes when things don't work out you've gotto getup dust yourself up and do better. The sacking of Dalglish was needless....there is no point in pointing fingers at the manager, players etc. The transfers were a major fuck up, yes, as was the Suarez affair, but those are not things that couldn't be rectified even without spending much money in this transfer window.
I have a feeling Comolli, Dalglish etc got the sacking for the poor handling of the Suarez affair, more than the transfer window. They probably gave the impression to the management they were in control and they comically let things spiral out of control.
The transfer window spend (with the exception of Downing) was all on players with not much premiership/top-flight experience behind them (Suarez, Carroll, Henderson, Adam - all had less than two years top flight experience), so the American's ought to have known that it could be a difficult first season. I find it hard to believe they used that alone as the stick to beat Kenny with
This highlights how big a fuck up buying Downing for 20million was......it was a proper thicko move, whoever was behind that move would be wondering what could have been...
Keane speculating on what our players do in their free time
has no evidence either way
assumes the worst
amazing journalism.
has no evidence either way
assumes the worst
amazing journalism.
Well, remember that Keanes's managerial career has been absolute shite because of the players, and players only. Not his fault.
Yes, that explains the disasters in Downing and Adam.
I know that the inevitable reaction from most will be, "fuck that Manc what does he know about our club" and its true that his managerial career was nothing to write home about but he was one of the best captains Ive ever seen, he didnt just play well he dragged every player on the team along with him, those guys werent just terrified of him they were terrified of letting him down.
Gerrard is/was a great player, but Ive never considered him a great captain, hes never seemed capable of getting great performances from others, and whats more hes never seemed interested in it. Whether or not hes been injured his role as captain should involve helping the younger players develop and making the new signings feel at home.
Gerrard is/was a great player, but Ive never considered him a great captain, hes never seemed capable of getting great performances from others, and whats more hes never seemed interested in it. Whether or not hes been injured his role as captain should involve helping the younger players develop and making the new signings feel at home.
Bar a few games over of his reign (Istanbul most notably), I'd say you're right. Keane dragged people with him, Gerrard led by example and hoped they'd follow.
There's a measure of truth in what Keane says. Pepe hasn't looked interested for a long time. The new signings haven't stepped up but the signs are there.
I'm not so sure that there's a unity problem in the team but we have lacked heart in a games.
its something I never thought I'd see from a Liverpool player.
Managers must shoulder the blame because they are the ones selecting the team.
I'm not so sure that there's a unity problem in the team but we have lacked heart in a games.
its something I never thought I'd see from a Liverpool player.
Managers must shoulder the blame because they are the ones selecting the team.
I'm afraid klangers from Reina have cost us in a number of games in the last few seasons. On his day, he remains a great player, but he seems to make more errors these days, and so fine are the margins, that those errors have been particularly costly.
Gerrard had a poor season, simple as that. People have been very critical of our midfielders this season, but SG always evades the bulk of the flak. The fact is, he has barely influenced our season. He shouldn't be in CM anymore. Get him on the right, or behind the striker.
I don't think Genjo has really too much to answer for, and Carra is clearly on the wane. He hasn't played much, and when he has, he has often looked nervy, and likely to make a blunder.
Suarez didn't score enough. He has been exciting, but not enough end product. Our spine isn't strong enough in truth.
Gerrard had a poor season, simple as that. People have been very critical of our midfielders this season, but SG always evades the bulk of the flak. The fact is, he has barely influenced our season. He shouldn't be in CM anymore. Get him on the right, or behind the striker.
I don't think Genjo has really too much to answer for, and Carra is clearly on the wane. He hasn't played much, and when he has, he has often looked nervy, and likely to make a blunder.
Suarez didn't score enough. He has been exciting, but not enough end product. Our spine isn't strong enough in truth.
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Yeah - SG is too much like Optimus Prime, tries to do everything himself rather than bring in the rest of the team to play. Fuck that - I love Optimus Prime.
Decent article and not much you can argue with.
Said myself that the likes of Reina, Carra and Gerrard weren't faultless for our problems last season.
Reina in particular needs to sort himself out. Either be fully committed or ask for a transfer because we can't afford another season of him fucking up on a regular basis.
Said myself that the likes of Reina, Carra and Gerrard weren't faultless for our problems last season.
Reina in particular needs to sort himself out. Either be fully committed or ask for a transfer because we can't afford another season of him fucking up on a regular basis.
He sounds like a fucking manager.
To be honest there's not a lot to argue with in that article; sure he doesn't/wouldn't know the details but the principles are spot on. Don't think Gerrard's had much chance to do a lot on the pitch the last two seasons but off the pitch something's not working cause the players weren't showing a lot of fight.
Yup, that's what I thought when I was reading ... I think your suggestion, or Pesam's in the same thread, would be very good no matter who we hire as the manager.
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