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Joao Pedro

Joao Pedro just looks and feels like the second coming of Firmino, just more intense.

I read that he started as a DM, then played 8, and 10 for Fluminese, before ending up as a 9. Just like Bobby. Hes pretty physical as well. (Fast and strong)

As for why we didnt buy him earlier, he wasnt as good then as he is now. He's always been a baller but fans say his finishing has improved over the last 2-3 seasons.

He certainly seems like a strong personality
 
Joao Pedro just looks and feels like the second coming of Firmino, just more intense.

I read that he started as a DM, then played 8, and 10 for Fluminese, before ending up as a 9. Just like Bobby. Hes pretty physical as well. (Fast and strong)

As for why we didnt buy him earlier, he wasnt as good then as he is now. He's always been a baller but fans say his finishing has improved over the last 2-3 seasons.

He certainly seems like a strong personality

Despite the usual vocal crazies, there is a certain logic to not picking up every youngster on the planet - we can’t give them enough senior playing time to develop effectively.

Yes, we pay through the nose, but at least you’re getting someone that has shown they can perform consistently at a decent level.
 
Joao Pedro just looks and feels like the second coming of Firmino, just more intense.

I read that he started as a DM, then played 8, and 10 for Fluminese, before ending up as a 9. Just like Bobby. Hes pretty physical as well. (Fast and strong)

As for why we didnt buy him earlier, he wasnt as good then as he is now. He's always been a baller but fans say his finishing has improved over the last 2-3 seasons.

He certainly seems like a strong personality

He's also on pens so that would be good in the long term Salah succession too. Perfect Jan move would be sign him and offer the donkey on loan for second half of season (with us paying full wages).
 
I've only seen comps, but I didn't get the sense he was ready or good enough to join a top side in the PL. His stats are decent but the goals look like something from a half arsed training session. He gives off more Vincent Janssen/Wout Weghorst vibes than Luis Suarez, put it that way.
Er... He is better than the player vibes you have used for comparison, but at the same time he is no where near a world beater like Suarez.
 
It's a fucking travesty if we pay £70 mill for João Pedro.
But I do predict that people will use the £30 mill fee we paid for Macca to justify it.

"Macca and Joao Pedro for £100 mill is a good deal!!!"
"it's not my money, I don't care"
 
I was convinced there had to be some catch, maybe an attitude problem, poor discipline or lack of physicality. But looked on the net and all the Brighton fans love him. The Watford fans too.

And yes he is homegrown, after joining Watford at age 19.
 
That a sexy Bobby-esque compilation…he looks tailor made for the further step up into the Slot Squad.
 
I was convinced there had to be some catch, maybe an attitude problem, poor discipline or lack of physicality. But looked on the net and all the Brighton fans love him. The Watford fans too.

And yes he is homegrown, after joining Watford at age 19.
The catch, as with most Brazilian attackers, is that he’ll be ready to retire by about 29. But he’ll be great up until then.
 
I honestly think content writers just read forums and find which players are being talked about and then write content to create a trend. until Paol Pedro was mentioned here i don't think I really saw much mention of him elsewhere.
imho He is over priced. I think Marmoush and Salah partnership we could really have something
 
Some interesting tidbits in there:

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To garner some real insight into what the versatile forward was like during his formative years in England, Anfield Watch spoke to Watford guru, and host of the Watford Buzz Podcast, Tom Bodell.

AW: What were your initial thoughts on Pedro when he signed for Watford?
TB: João Pedro arrived at Vicarage Road with a lot of expectation riding on his shoulders. The club announced his signing when he was still only 17 and we have become used to South American players arriving via the Pozzo family network. The most high-profile example to benefit Watford prior to Pedro was Richarlison. The club went to some effort to bring him here, inviting his mother and stepfather over and creating content around that. As had been the case with Richarlison, they leveraged countryman Heurelho Gomes, who loved his time here and remains a cult figure. All of that lifted the expectation levels. There were also reports Liverpool, Manchester City and Barcelona had tried to get Fluminense to break their agreement with the club and sell Pedro to them instead. So before he'd kicked a ball, there was a lot of expectation on his shoulders even if all we had to go on were a few clips of goals on bad pitches in Brazil.

I was there for his debut - a topsy-turvy FA Cup 3rd Round tie against Tranmere Rovers - and if you'd told me this lanky, scrawny lad who stood next to Nigel Pearson awaiting his bow in English football would go on to be so sought after, I'd have laughed. He clearly had ability and confidence but the rest needed work on that initial viewing. We hardly saw him the rest of the season, getting 25 minutes across three sub outings at the season's end as we were relegated.

This isn't meant as a dig, but Watford have had a number of players in the past who simply should not have spent any time at Vicarage Road. Where does Pedro rank in terms of pure talent when compared to Richarlison and Sarr?
For me, he's the best of the bunch. It's not a straight comparison because Richarlison's single season was in the Premier League. Pedro's body of work in the top flight was not that impressive - scoring three and assisting one - but we were a truly awful side in 2021/22. The real marker was going back to the Championship. Sarr clearly had ability but was bought for a head coach who wanted to - and had considerable success - playing a narrow 4-2-2-2. We then cycled through three further managers and his moments though fleeting were impressive. You may recall a 3-0 defeat at Vicarage Road before the Pandemic took hold of the sporting calendar?

It always felt like Sarr needed the team to be playing well to be on song. Pedro was the player who would lift the team or, failing that, just do it on his own and grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Sometimes he ended up frustrated and he took a look of physical stuff in his stride, which in the long run was really good for him. Richarlison's solitary season was more like a good four or five months. But by then his reputation preceded him and talk of a move to Everton - we've a mutual disdain there - with Marco Silva really turned his head and he went into hibernation. If I was feeling charitable, I might point to the fact he rolled straight from the Brazilian Série A season into the Premier League. But I'm not!

How did he develop during his time with the Hornets?
Every season felt like a big step forward. I called him scrawny earlier but by the time he left us he had bulked up considerably and players were just bouncing off him. There's a misnomer that Brazilian football is all 'Joga Bonito' but it's really not. It's a tough, physical nation and Pedro looked really at home in that regard early on. His first full season was the 2020/21 which was played behind closed doors. We weren't a brilliant side but between him and the aforementioned Sarr we had the individual quality to win games even when we weren't at our best. He scored nine times that season but you couldn't fairly measure his contribution in terms of goals alone. Again, we were wretched back in the Premier League but he did not look out of place. He scored in the 4-1 thrashing of Manchester United that cost Ole Gunnar Solskjær his job. It was our most-complete display of the season and you really thought we might click with Pedro at the forefront.

Back in the Championship, he went up several gears. He was now very aware he was the main man. He was given the license to be the player, often had a free role and was captain on a few occasions too. He had that good arrogance; he would just pick the ball up and carry us on his back up the field, defenders bouncing off him. Again, he wasn't prolific but we were terrible, went through three head coaches (you've heard this one before, haven't you?!) and would have been even worse had he not been there.

How was his attitude and application when playing in the Championship?
I don't think I've ever heard or seen a Watford fan criticise his attitude. Which says a lot because we've got our aforementioned gripes with Richarlison, Sarr and Emmanuel Dennis - the other clearly-too-good-for-us forward we've had in recent times. They all felt like individuals at times. Pedro was a team player but innately aware of his own superiority to the rest of the squad. I think he relished being top dog and there was a swagger to him at times. It never threatened to bubble over but it gave him the mandate to go out and dominate games in ways none of those other three ever did. They were moments players. Pedro was the game.

How did you feel when he was sold to Brighton for £30million?
Gutted but we knew it was inevitable. If anything, it was more worrying that we sold him so sharply. By which I mean his exit was agreed before the end of the 2022/23 season and the suspicion is that was because we needed a cash-heavy deal to plug the gaps in our accounts before the end of that accounting period. Hornets supporters follow his progress with interest to this day though - and not just because we have a sell-on clause. You may have seen the message a Watford fan sent into BBC Sport recently about feeling like a 'Proud father' watching him excel in the Premier League. We all knew he had it in him, the only question is how far would he go?

In your opinion, is he ready for a big move? And do you think he could be the #9 for Liverpool?
He is 100 per cent ready for that next step. Liverpool have - by all accounts - known about him for a long time and it's always felt his destiny was to end up at a club of that calibre since before he pitched up in a snowy WD18 all the way back in 2018 to sign before his 18th birthday. What I will say is he is not a No.9 in the conventional sense. So if you're pinning your hopes on him being what you think Dawin Nuñez was going to be, you will be disappointed - again. That said, Liverpool had for a long time probably the most-famous non-No.9 in the world in countryman Bobby Firmino, so I don't think the number on the back of his shirt will be an issue.

I would see him playing off the left and drifting inside. I always thought that was his best position for us and he rarely plays as the line leader for Brighton either. You have to give him license to roam and pick the ball up deep to run at people. He's no luxury player, though. He will graft for the team, he will do the ugly work; press, contest his duels and so on. His workrate is second to none in that respect. He's technically excellent, has brilliant vision, awareness, poise and balance, can slalom through non-existent gaps, draws fouls and makes things happen.

You will love him - now cough up!
 
If we're spending that money then he better be leading the damn line. We pretty well covered for players who like to cut it from the left! Anyway, I like him. I think he'll he overvalued though, but it is what it is within the market. I don't think he has a natural comparison player. I think he's some hybrid version of Firmino/Jesus but more athletic and imposing, which makes him more dangerous in the box.

If we're paying what I think we'll have to do then he will have to go up some levels and prove himself as one of the best in the game.
 
Think there's a good chance we might push for him. He's been on our radar for a long time, before he officially moved to Watford.

Dated 2019
Liverpool make enquiries over Fluminense starlet Joao Pedro despite Watford agreement

Liverpool have made enquiries over Brazilian teenager Joao Pedro who is due to join Watford.

The 17-year-old has already agreed to sign for Watford in a deal worth an initial £2million and is due to arrive in January 2020.

However, there is a clause in his contract that says should the planned move to Watford falter, then the Vicarage Road side must be paid £20million by the rival club.

Liverpool scout Dassler Marques watched Pedro score a hat-trick for Fluminense in their 4-1 win over Atletico Nacional on Thursday. He has scored seven goals in his first ten games.
 
Some interesting tidbits in there:

======================================

To garner some real insight into what the versatile forward was like during his formative years in England, Anfield Watch spoke to Watford guru, and host of the Watford Buzz Podcast, Tom Bodell.

AW: What were your initial thoughts on Pedro when he signed for Watford?
TB: João Pedro arrived at Vicarage Road with a lot of expectation riding on his shoulders. The club announced his signing when he was still only 17 and we have become used to South American players arriving via the Pozzo family network. The most high-profile example to benefit Watford prior to Pedro was Richarlison. The club went to some effort to bring him here, inviting his mother and stepfather over and creating content around that. As had been the case with Richarlison, they leveraged countryman Heurelho Gomes, who loved his time here and remains a cult figure. All of that lifted the expectation levels. There were also reports Liverpool, Manchester City and Barcelona had tried to get Fluminense to break their agreement with the club and sell Pedro to them instead. So before he'd kicked a ball, there was a lot of expectation on his shoulders even if all we had to go on were a few clips of goals on bad pitches in Brazil.

I was there for his debut - a topsy-turvy FA Cup 3rd Round tie against Tranmere Rovers - and if you'd told me this lanky, scrawny lad who stood next to Nigel Pearson awaiting his bow in English football would go on to be so sought after, I'd have laughed. He clearly had ability and confidence but the rest needed work on that initial viewing. We hardly saw him the rest of the season, getting 25 minutes across three sub outings at the season's end as we were relegated.

This isn't meant as a dig, but Watford have had a number of players in the past who simply should not have spent any time at Vicarage Road. Where does Pedro rank in terms of pure talent when compared to Richarlison and Sarr?
For me, he's the best of the bunch. It's not a straight comparison because Richarlison's single season was in the Premier League. Pedro's body of work in the top flight was not that impressive - scoring three and assisting one - but we were a truly awful side in 2021/22. The real marker was going back to the Championship. Sarr clearly had ability but was bought for a head coach who wanted to - and had considerable success - playing a narrow 4-2-2-2. We then cycled through three further managers and his moments though fleeting were impressive. You may recall a 3-0 defeat at Vicarage Road before the Pandemic took hold of the sporting calendar?

It always felt like Sarr needed the team to be playing well to be on song. Pedro was the player who would lift the team or, failing that, just do it on his own and grab the game by the scruff of the neck. Sometimes he ended up frustrated and he took a look of physical stuff in his stride, which in the long run was really good for him. Richarlison's solitary season was more like a good four or five months. But by then his reputation preceded him and talk of a move to Everton - we've a mutual disdain there - with Marco Silva really turned his head and he went into hibernation. If I was feeling charitable, I might point to the fact he rolled straight from the Brazilian Série A season into the Premier League. But I'm not!

How did he develop during his time with the Hornets?
Every season felt like a big step forward. I called him scrawny earlier but by the time he left us he had bulked up considerably and players were just bouncing off him. There's a misnomer that Brazilian football is all 'Joga Bonito' but it's really not. It's a tough, physical nation and Pedro looked really at home in that regard early on. His first full season was the 2020/21 which was played behind closed doors. We weren't a brilliant side but between him and the aforementioned Sarr we had the individual quality to win games even when we weren't at our best. He scored nine times that season but you couldn't fairly measure his contribution in terms of goals alone. Again, we were wretched back in the Premier League but he did not look out of place. He scored in the 4-1 thrashing of Manchester United that cost Ole Gunnar Solskjær his job. It was our most-complete display of the season and you really thought we might click with Pedro at the forefront.

Back in the Championship, he went up several gears. He was now very aware he was the main man. He was given the license to be the player, often had a free role and was captain on a few occasions too. He had that good arrogance; he would just pick the ball up and carry us on his back up the field, defenders bouncing off him. Again, he wasn't prolific but we were terrible, went through three head coaches (you've heard this one before, haven't you?!) and would have been even worse had he not been there.

How was his attitude and application when playing in the Championship?
I don't think I've ever heard or seen a Watford fan criticise his attitude. Which says a lot because we've got our aforementioned gripes with Richarlison, Sarr and Emmanuel Dennis - the other clearly-too-good-for-us forward we've had in recent times. They all felt like individuals at times. Pedro was a team player but innately aware of his own superiority to the rest of the squad. I think he relished being top dog and there was a swagger to him at times. It never threatened to bubble over but it gave him the mandate to go out and dominate games in ways none of those other three ever did. They were moments players. Pedro was the game.

How did you feel when he was sold to Brighton for £30million?
Gutted but we knew it was inevitable. If anything, it was more worrying that we sold him so sharply. By which I mean his exit was agreed before the end of the 2022/23 season and the suspicion is that was because we needed a cash-heavy deal to plug the gaps in our accounts before the end of that accounting period. Hornets supporters follow his progress with interest to this day though - and not just because we have a sell-on clause. You may have seen the message a Watford fan sent into BBC Sport recently about feeling like a 'Proud father' watching him excel in the Premier League. We all knew he had it in him, the only question is how far would he go?

In your opinion, is he ready for a big move? And do you think he could be the #9 for Liverpool?
He is 100 per cent ready for that next step. Liverpool have - by all accounts - known about him for a long time and it's always felt his destiny was to end up at a club of that calibre since before he pitched up in a snowy WD18 all the way back in 2018 to sign before his 18th birthday. What I will say is he is not a No.9 in the conventional sense. So if you're pinning your hopes on him being what you think Dawin Nuñez was going to be, you will be disappointed - again. That said, Liverpool had for a long time probably the most-famous non-No.9 in the world in countryman Bobby Firmino, so I don't think the number on the back of his shirt will be an issue.

I would see him playing off the left and drifting inside. I always thought that was his best position for us and he rarely plays as the line leader for Brighton either. You have to give him license to roam and pick the ball up deep to run at people. He's no luxury player, though. He will graft for the team, he will do the ugly work; press, contest his duels and so on. His workrate is second to none in that respect. He's technically excellent, has brilliant vision, awareness, poise and balance, can slalom through non-existent gaps, draws fouls and makes things happen.

You will love him - now cough up!

Ok, I haven't really watched him play, but I'm sold.
 
TBR Football understands that Brighton would demand close to £100million for star striker Joao Pedro, but they have no plans to let him leave in the near future.

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Lol, I'd rather save £50 mill and take a chance on someone from another league.

13 goals in 40 games is not worth £100 mill.
 
I mean, you watch that and imagine him doing it in a Liverpool shirt and nod and smile. He's so silky, and then you imagine him with our players around him and he can only improve. Yes please.
Thats a lot of imagining you got going. I also imagine him coming to us with a 100M price tag and not been able to hack it.
 
TBR Football understands that Brighton would demand close to £100million for star striker Joao Pedro, but they have no plans to let him leave in the near future.

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Lol, I'd rather save £50 mill and take a chance on someone from another league.

13 goals in 40 games is not worth £100 mill.

£100M is too much for sure and let’s hope Edwards can work some kind of magic here. Maybe a rare player exchange deal? Brighton value young players and we might have someone they think they can turn into the next £100M player.

All that being said, #9 (or false 9) is a fundamental player for any system - and just like with a #6 or a top-class CB or GK sometimes you have to overpay, because “almost as good” doesn’t cut it. Not every team needs a Firmino-like “false 9,” but if we do, we need to do everything to get the best player we can for that role.
 
TBR Football understands that Brighton would demand close to £100million for star striker Joao Pedro, but they have no plans to let him leave in the near future.

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Lol, I'd rather save £50 mill and take a chance on someone from another league.

13 goals in 40 games is not worth £100 mill.

Mo Salah at Chelsea - 2 in 31.
Mo Salah in first season at Roma - 14 in 34

Historic stats aren't necessarily the determinant for future success.
 
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