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Insua to Genoa?

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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41313.msg1153576#msg1153576 date=1281707464]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41313.msg1153567#msg1153567 date=1281706399]
If we got into next season with Insua and Aurelio as our LB's, after trying to offload both of them, I think I'll cry.
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We didn't try to offload both though, Rafa offered Fab a 'pay as you play' choice, similar to what Owens on at Old Toilet, which Fab declined.
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Well alright, we weren't desperate to keep him, put it that way.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=41313.msg1153596#msg1153596 date=1281709022]
Fair play. Some posters such as you, Judge Jules and Brendan have always deemed him as not good enough.

Personally, I think he'll be considered in the top 10 in his position within the next 5 years.
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Based on what? What's he good at? He's not fast or athletic, can't head the ball and gets caught out of position.

His only strength is a semi-cool name.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=41313.msg1153596#msg1153596 date=1281709022]
Fair play. Some posters such as you, Judge Jules and Brendan have always deemed him as not good enough.

Personally, I think he'll be considered in the top 10 in his position within the next 5 years.
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Top 10 in the world? That's startlingly optimistic MM.

If he was to leave Liverpool for a club like Genoa, I'd be surprised if we heard about him again. There's really not a great deal there to work with.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41313.msg1153604#msg1153604 date=1281709569]
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=41313.msg1153596#msg1153596 date=1281709022]
Fair play. Some posters such as you, Judge Jules and Brendan have always deemed him as not good enough.

Personally, I think he'll be considered in the top 10 in his position within the next 5 years.
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Based on what? What's he good at? He's not fast or athletic, can't head the ball and gets caught out of position.

His only strength is a semi-cool name.
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How many left backs had great positional awareness at that age?

The pace thing is overplayed. He's no Lizarazu, but he's no slouch either. He gets forward well, and often. He needs to work on knowing when to do it and he needs to improve on his decision making while on the ball.

That said, he's comfortable on the ball, capable of linking up well with the player ahead of him, has an eye for a pass, defends with composure for the most part and he has a good attitude and approach to the game.

This is all my opinion which is obviously not shared by many, but calling him shit and useless is an obvious exaggeration.
 
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=41313.msg1153608#msg1153608 date=1281709948]
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=41313.msg1153596#msg1153596 date=1281709022]
Fair play. Some posters such as you, Judge Jules and Brendan have always deemed him as not good enough.

Personally, I think he'll be considered in the top 10 in his position within the next 5 years.
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Top 10 in the world? That's startlingly optimistic MM.

If he was to leave Liverpool for a club like Genoa, I'd be surprised if we heard about him again. There's really not a great deal there to work with.
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Yeah, that's just my counter-exaggeration to the shithouse claims.

I don't agree about there not being much to work with though.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=41313.msg1153596#msg1153596 date=1281709022]
Fair play. Some posters such as you, Judge Jules and Brendan have always deemed him as not good enough.

Personally, I think he'll be considered in the top 10 in his position within the next 5 years.
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I had hopes for him after he made his first few appearances, Mo. Last season, though, he disappointed me big-time, not least because he had looked promising to start with. He was admittedly a boy sent out to do a man's job, but so was N'Gog and in my book he made a better fist of it than Insua by quite a margin, in (arguably at least) a tougher position to play.

If Insua does stay, we have to hope Roy's much vaunted coaching skills hit the jackpot with him, because they'll need to.
 
Aah, perhaps you were just more vocal about his shortcomings last season and it game me the impression that you had never expected him to cut it.
 
And around and around we go...

Neil Jones says that Insua to Genoa is close...

and apparently we'll be in for Konchesky (who didn't play for Fulham Saturday) once Insua leaves.
 
[quote author=eecheerow link=topic=41313.msg1155633#msg1155633 date=1281968726]
And around and around we go...

Neil Jones says that Insua to Genoa is close...

and apparently we'll be in for Konchesky (who didn't play for Fulham Saturday) once Insua leaves.
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konchesky is shit, but insua is shitter. We should use the insua money towards a new striker instead. we got Aurelio > Kelly > Agger for the Left back if anything.
 
Konchesky will just be a waste of space. We may as well not sign anyone.

I would rather keep Insua.

At this rate we will have a squad that is on par with Fulham sooner than later.
 
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41313.msg1155679#msg1155679 date=1281972735]
Konchesky will just be a waste of space. We may as well not sign anyone.

I would rather keep Insua.

At this rate we will have a squad that is on par with Fulham sooner than later.
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It's a close call but I'd agree, Insua is a better left back than Konchesky.
 
Insua's 21, has been capped at full international level by Argentina, p[layed far too many games last season because he had to and ended up secopnd only to Gerrard in assists.

Too many people write him off because he's not absolute world class having just turned 21.

For his age, he's doing alright.

There are things he lacks, such as pace, but he'll only improve as a player if he gets time on the pitch.

Had he been broken in to Liverpool side playing well, I think things might have been different, but he was broken in to a side coming a part at the seams - it wasn't his fault and I think we expected too much from him.

I hate the way we cry out for our young players to ge given a chance, only to rip them apart if they're not instant world class.

I think he'll be worth more to us if we hang on to him - surely Hodgsoncan help him work on his positioning, reading of the game, etc.

He'll be considered home grown form next season as well.
 
[quote author=StevieM link=topic=41313.msg1155717#msg1155717 date=1281977831]
Insua's 21, has been capped at full international level by Argentina, p[layed far too many games last season because he had to and ended up secopnd only to Gerrard in assists.

Too many people write him off because he's not absolute world class having just turned 21.

For his age, he's doing alright.

There are things he lacks, such as pace, but he'll only improve as a player if he gets time on the pitch.

Had he been broken in to Liverpool side playing well, I think things might have been different, but he was broken in to a side coming a part at the seams - it wasn't his fault and I think we expected too much from him.

I hate the way we cry out for our young players to ge given a chance, only to rip them apart if they're not instant world class.

I think he'll be worth more to us if we hang on to him - surely Hodgsoncan help him work on his positioning, reading of the game, etc.

He'll be considered home grown form next season as well.

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I actually agree with most of that, but i would still draw the line saying that he is not for us right now.

We can't afford to groom a player when we are fighting to find our way back to where we belong.

His complete Aerial incompetence and lack of pace overshadows almost everything that is good about him, and we can't afford to carry that weakness.
 
Insua is not, a will not be good enough for us. He's slow, gets caught out easily and has the positional sense of a blind man.

Selling him is a good thing.

Replacing him with Konchesky is horrendus though. Still he's a better left back than Insua, by a great deal aswell.
 
He's getting written off because he's fat, slow and was one of the worst full-backs in the Premiership last season
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=41313.msg1153587#msg1153587 date=1281708537]
I guess I'm the only one who would be sad to see Insua go. I'd be very happy to keep him as 2nd/3rd choice if we had a first choice LB who could stay reasonably fit.
How many second string, 21 year old LB's are anywhere near as good as this lad?

I still find it strange how he has become roundly regarded as shit.

We had a poll on SCM earlier this year and 84 posters voted. Here are the results.

Shit - 3 (3.6%)
Not good enough for LFC, and never will be - 10 (11.9%)
Squadie at best - 16 (19%)
Potential first team regular - 46 (54.8%)
Potentially world class - 9 (10.7%)

The kid has played about 10 games since that poll. Was he really that horrendous in those 10 games to turn opinions of him around so sharply?

It seems everyones deems him a fat useless cunt these days. It's almost become fashionable.
[/quote]I dont mind him. I thought he would be world class, which he clearly will not, but i dont mind him as back up and who knows how he may end up.
 
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=41313.msg1153587#msg1153587 date=1281708537]
I guess I'm the only one who would be sad to see Insua go. I'd be very happy to keep him as 2nd/3rd choice if we had a first choice LB who could stay reasonably fit.
How many second string, 21 year old LB's are anywhere near as good as this lad?

I still find it strange how he has become roundly regarded as shit.

We had a poll on SCM earlier this year and 84 posters voted. Here are the results.

Shit - 3 (3.6%)
Not good enough for LFC, and never will be - 10 (11.9%)
Squadie at best - 16 (19%)
Potential first team regular - 46 (54.8%)
Potentially world class - 9 (10.7%)

The kid has played about 10 games since that poll. Was he really that horrendous in those 10 games to turn opinions of him around so sharply?

It seems everyones deems him a fat useless cunt these days. It's almost become fashionable.
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good post - I think in a few years time he will be a lot better - I can't think of many 21 yr old full backs than him (I could be wrong) - but not sure his future lies in LFC
 
I'd swap him for Gibbs in an instant.

Bale too.

In fact, there's few players I wouldn't swap him for. Paul fucking Konchesky included.
 
Assuming he stays Id like to see him get a run in the side, of all the players that may have their careers turned around by Hodgson I think Insua is most likely. He will never be Ashley Cole in the pace department but he was good enough at 20 to be considered one of the brightest fullback prospects in the game. He was throw in at the deep end last season in a defence that was drowning, I remmeber Carra Johnson and Skertl all having a number of nightmare games and Insua was no different, but obviously his confidence took a knock and he retreated further and further within himself until he became a liability.

Hes nowhere near as bad as some people are making out, if he goes fair enough because i donth think hes ready to be our starting left back but maybe in another season he will be, if we keep him Id like him brought back in slowly

It always amazes me when a young player breaks through for Utd or Arsenal all their fans rave on about the next generation of superstarts etc even if they are decidely average like Macheda Fabio etc, and when we get good young players that fall short of being ready to walk straight into a premierleague first XI we absolutely hammer them for not being as good as Fernando Torres
 
I don't think he's as bad as is being made out on here and like a few others thought he'd do better in the first team than he has done based on the potential he showed in the reserves.

It all seems a bit of a moot point at this point though. The club seem intent on selling him and unless there is some unlikely turnaround of events, it would seem he has no future at Liverpool.
 
Ture maybe he will rekindle his potential elsewhere or he could sink into anonymity like so many others, its frustrating to see our fans trashing our own young prospects though, especially ones who are being asked to come in and steady a sinking ship as Insua and Ngog were last season, compared to some of the wretched performances some first teamers were turning in last year those two do a decent job and still they get the same sort of treatment that other clubs reserve for collosol money failures like Beratov and Robinho, sad really
 
[quote author=JimmyK link=topic=41313.msg1155644#msg1155644 date=1281969344]
English again.. we're raking them in! Crouch, Woodgate and C. Cole and we'll have a full England rejects XI..
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Insua classes as homegrown anyway.
 
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