How does Rodgers win the fans back?
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I'm the opposite to most of the posters on this thread, it's what he doesn't say that irritates the fuck out of me.
If we have been stuffed by a referee he will say nothing, if one of our players has been kicked out of the game he will say nothing, if there's been a game-changing decision against us, he will say nothing. If an opposing manager rants off on a campaign against one of our lads he will say nothing, if Sky or one of their cuntiest commentators have a dig at the team he says nothing.It follows through to the players, we win the Fair Play League because we have no cynical side or edge to our game. If there's a terrible tackle against one of our guys the rest just ignore it or shrug it off. We have no genuine balls-out, all-or-nothing, win-at-all-costs mentality about the players or the management. And guess what, we end up as losers.
So, to turn it round for me I want to hear him outspoken in his unequivocal support for his players, show some passion for fuck's sake and don't accept losing like it's just one of them things, it's not it should fucking hurt like a bitch and instil that into your players so they fight 'til the end for the club and the fans.
If we have been stuffed by a referee he will say nothing, if one of our players has been kicked out of the game he will say nothing, if there's been a game-changing decision against us, he will say nothing. If an opposing manager rants off on a campaign against one of our lads he will say nothing, if Sky or one of their cuntiest commentators have a dig at the team he says nothing.It follows through to the players, we win the Fair Play League because we have no cynical side or edge to our game. If there's a terrible tackle against one of our guys the rest just ignore it or shrug it off. We have no genuine balls-out, all-or-nothing, win-at-all-costs mentality about the players or the management. And guess what, we end up as losers.
So, to turn it round for me I want to hear him outspoken in his unequivocal support for his players, show some passion for fuck's sake and don't accept losing like it's just one of them things, it's not it should fucking hurt like a bitch and instil that into your players so they fight 'til the end for the club and the fans.
Except when he says the players were outstanding when they weren't, his unequivocal support seems stupid. Also, didn't he get fined for pointing out a referee mistake once?
If he says too much he can't win, if he doesn't say anything he doesn't win. He's got a bit of a conundrum with fans, hasn't he?
And there are a few posters that'll just 'like' any dig at Rodgers...
To be fair to him he did complain once about the ref (as red mullet noted above) and was promptly given a massive fine and a warning by the FA. Other than that I agree.
It's easy to be bitter with him after the end of last season. The 6-1 at Stoke just took the Rodgers out calls to a whole new level. But I was driving yesterday and thought well, he's got us closer to the title than any other Liverpool manager in the last 25 years. He got a Swansea side promoted, and into mid table in their first premier league season playing some of the league's best football - something you hardly ever see.
There's still a decent head coach in there somewhere. I say head coach, because he's not a manager really. But I can't think of any occasion in my Liverpool watching life (1996 onwards) that a Liverpool manager has started a season under such pressure. Even Hodgson didn't have it because he was new at the time.
There's still a decent head coach in there somewhere. I say head coach, because he's not a manager really. But I can't think of any occasion in my Liverpool watching life (1996 onwards) that a Liverpool manager has started a season under such pressure. Even Hodgson didn't have it because he was new at the time.
Would it have happened had we had someone upstairs that's cosy with the fa?
That's a good point. No, I doubt it.
By not signing Benteke.
Beating Utd at Old Trafford simple as that
Behave
Ha. One step at a time, we are going to be winning the league in Aug/Sep but beating Utd away in one of our first games after being humped home and away by our main rival for fourth last year would win back a lot of fans.
The question was what will win back the fans, not what should.
Obviously we continue to be shite and get bent over by everyone else then that win in isolation won't mean Jack, but that early in the season it will do him the world of good in terms of winning back the fans
I'd start with a win at Stoke first mate
Beating Stoke is expected and won't win anyone over, beating one of the top 4 away is a massive indicator.
Arsenal away before is massive too but beating the scum will always be a little sweeter than Arsenal, city or Chelsea.
So if we lose every game up to the Manc game but win that it'll win the fans over? Don't think so
Of course not, but as I said beating the likes of Stoke, Bournmouth and West Ham is expected and wont back the fans he lost last year, but beating the team will most likely be battling for fourth with away from home will win a lot of fans back in my opinion. We can be very knee jerk and I've no doubt if go there and win you'll see threads popping up everywhere claiming we are back or that Rodgers has won fans back.
With the likely appointment of O'Driscoll, there's little doubt in my mind that Rodgers threw Marsh and Pascoe under the bus. It's not likely that FSG forced Rodgers to accept the sackings of his assistant and first team coach, and then turned around and accepted Rodger's choices for replacements. He's a snake.
Also, he seems to believe that our issues on the pitch can be solved by recruitment. Need to implement a pass and move system? Buy Allen. Need a commanding leader in defence? Buy Lovren. Well that didn't solve the last problem. Appoint O'Driscoll.
After all, it would be too outrageous to think that maybe it's his system that needs tweaking.
Also, he seems to believe that our issues on the pitch can be solved by recruitment. Need to implement a pass and move system? Buy Allen. Need a commanding leader in defence? Buy Lovren. Well that didn't solve the last problem. Appoint O'Driscoll.
After all, it would be too outrageous to think that maybe it's his system that needs tweaking.
First para: I wonder. Do we know O'Driscoll was Rodgers' own first choice? Might his, for example, have been one on a list of names with Rodgers being allowed to rank them in order of preference, which would give both him and the owners a say? Gkmacca has contacts within the club and has told us more than once that Rodgers was distinctly underwhelmed about Pascoe and Marsh getting the boot.
Second para: again not really convinced. All managers, especially new ones (as Rodgers was when Allen came on board) recruit particular players/others to perform specific roles in their set-up. The individuals chosen may not always work out, but that's a rather different matter.
Third para: there I do agree. All good managers need to believe in their vision of how to play the game, but they need a dose of realism alongside that (Mourinho and Ferguson for example have always been pragmatists as well as thundercnuts) and Rodgers does have questions to answer about whether there is such a balance in his outlook.
Second para: again not really convinced. All managers, especially new ones (as Rodgers was when Allen came on board) recruit particular players/others to perform specific roles in their set-up. The individuals chosen may not always work out, but that's a rather different matter.
Third para: there I do agree. All good managers need to believe in their vision of how to play the game, but they need a dose of realism alongside that (Mourinho and Ferguson for example have always been pragmatists as well as thundercnuts) and Rodgers does have questions to answer about whether there is such a balance in his outlook.
If fans are THAT optimistic, Rodgers is probably okay.
At the start of last season he gave the impression he would be one of the great managers of the club. I will admit he had terrible misfortune with Sturridge who was injured and what would turn out to be our only functioning striker. He is buying alot of players and that worries me. When you have so many new faces it takes a while to get rhythm going. Fans will be on to Rogers straight after a dismal display.
The owners will too IMO. While it's true that they've backed Rodgers, my bet is they'll be looking for some pretty quick payoff. He's going to have to get the team firing on all cylinders a good bit earlier than Christmas, which is about when we've found our form in every season he's been in charge so far.
And yes, I share your concern about the sheer number of new arrivals. It worried me last season too, and the club in general and Rodgers in particular can't afford a similar outcome.
And yes, I share your concern about the sheer number of new arrivals. It worried me last season too, and the club in general and Rodgers in particular can't afford a similar outcome.
To be fair to Rodgers and the club they have at least got new players in early and therefore they should be ready for the new season where they'll need a fast start.
That said I think Rodgers is on borrowed time and his removal is a matter of when rather than if. Such is the doubt about him that anything less than unbeaten in the first month or so of the season will inevitably bring enormous pressure on the owners.
I feel some sympathy toward Rodgers as he is already under enormous pressure and the Press and the doubters already smell blood, and you know how much pleasure they take in delivering the coup de gras and then nodding sagely that they were always right.
I hope Rodgers gets the breaks as he's shown glimpses of being a really good coach if not tactician, which in my opinion is where he needs to wise up.
I don't doubt that GKMacca has been told that Rodgers was unhappy with the enforced sackings of Pascoe and Marsh. He probably was.
That in itself, is not inconsistent with him readily securing a reprieve for himself by agreeing to, among other terms, the sackings. I suspect those other terms included some concession by FSG that he would be allowed some say in picking the replacements, leading to O'Driscoll's appointment. After all, no point foisting someone who couldn't work with him, on him.
I'm not upset about the departure of Pascoe and Marsh; it's the manner in which he gave up Pascoe and Marsh that does. Beyond the lack of solidarity with his own team, the deeper concern is that he genuinely believes that it was Pascoe and Marsh holding him back.
There are the obvious counter arguments, such as that the replacements indicate some awareness on his part that he requires more guidance to correct his failings from last season. But if so, why not cast the net further for someone with genuine experience challenging for titles?
As to the second and third paragraphs, well, I never intended for them to be taken apart, but I get the distinct impression that he turns too readily to recruitment as the answer to failures on the pitch, perhaps even to the exclusion of all else, hence, the shambolic defence we've seen since his first season.
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