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How does Rodgers win the fans back?

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I don't doubt that GKMacca has been told that Rodgers was unhappy with the enforced sackings of Pascoe and Marsh. He probably was.

That in itself, is not inconsistent with him readily securing a reprieve for himself by agreeing to, among other terms, the sackings. I suspect those other terms included some concession by FSG that he would be allowed some say in picking the replacements, leading to O'Driscoll's appointment. After all, no point foisting someone who couldn't work with him, on him.

I'm not upset about the departure of Pascoe and Marsh; it's the manner in which he gave up Pascoe and Marsh that does. Beyond the lack of solidarity with his own team, the deeper concern is that he genuinely believes that it was Pascoe and Marsh holding him back.

There are the obvious counter arguments, such as that the replacements indicate some awareness on his part that he requires more guidance to correct his failings from last season. But if so, why not cast the net further for someone with genuine experience challenging for titles?

As to the second and third paragraphs, well, I never intended for them to be taken apart, but I get the distinct impression that he turns too readily to recruitment as the answer to failures on the pitch, perhaps even to the exclusion of all else, hence, the shambolic defence we've seen since his first season.

FSG haven't been adverse to looking up staff or indeed players that fit their own system, they picked Rodgers with that in mind, they implemented a committee to replicate an overhead decision maker, they know what they wanted. While I'm sure it does suit Rodgers to bring in this assistant, after all he's talked him up in the past, I don't think that he's has thrown his staff under the bus.

At the very least it was suggested that FSG were going to force big changes prior to the meeting, so an overhaul of sorts was already being hinted at, most of us predicted that a likely scenario would be that Rodgers stayed but his staff went, we all talked up a defensive coach, so did the press - FSG aren't stupid on that note, they've listened to the fans and took advice from local journo's too, to gather outside opinion as well as supporters views on various topics. It's how (rightly or misguidedly) they've sought clarity of the club, it's traditions and what the people want. Remember, that's why they brought in Dalglish, because it was the shouts from the terraces and the speculation in the media that drove the idea.

As for turning to recruitment to rectify failures, show me a manager who doesn't. Doesn't Harry Redknapp always buy a big centre forward? Didn't Rafa always play with a tight back four? Identifying the right player is a different subject, but saying that he tries to rectify failures by buying is like saying we should accept a mentality of putting squares into round holes. Neither of those managers particularly shifted on their blueprint to accommodate players. You pretty much defeated your own argument by then pointing out our "shambolic defense", he's the first manager in over a decade who's tried to make our defense and defensive play more expansive and he was left with a defense on it's last legs.

You can't say he hasn't tried to address it, he bought Sakho in 2013, he bought Lovren in 2014 and he's just bought a right back. He's not ignoring the issue, as you've suggested. Tweaking the system is right, I agree, but saying he hasn't tried to rectify it is bollocks, he's bought players for the back line because he had to, even if he hasn't quite got the balance right. Agger was fucked and we had no one else, Enrique is finished, so is Glen Johnson, so the "buying for buying sakes" accusation towards the defense doesn't really wash, it's pretty much the only area of the team where A) he hasn't bought to cover his own fuckups and B) he hasn't had the luxury of having a settled group of players already in place who he could rely upon in the longterm. He had to buy his way out of that one, considering 3/4's of it was already clearly past it's sell by date.
 
Realise you win fuck all without a proper DM.
Stop talking utter wank.
Win enough games for a Liverpool manager.

None if the above will happen.
 
Realise you win fuck all without a proper DM.
Stop talking utter wank.
Win enough games for a Liverpool manager.

Lucas has averaged 25 league games over each of the last three seasons, that's like 65% of our league games, or two thirds, whatever. We didn't win the league with one under the previous four managers, even Rafa left one out in the CL final against the "then" best player on the planet, Kaka.

Take a leaf out your own book.

You do realise his win ratio is on a par with your beloved Rafa?
 
Lucas has averaged 25 league games over each of the last three seasons, that's like 65% of our league games, or two thirds, whatever. We didn't win the league with one under the previous four managers, even Rafa left one out in the CL final against the "then" best player on the planet, Kaka.

Take a leaf out your own book.

You do realise his win ratio is on a par with your beloved Rafa?
His trophies per season isn't 😉
 
Whilst I'm not taking sides mark, I think it's daft to use win ratios as an argument when it's clear that they aren't the be all and end all, when it comes down to brass tacks it's when those games are won that makes the difference. Under Rodgers we've gone on long winning & undefeated runs after poor starts, before faltering when it matters most.
 
Whilst I'm not taking sides mark, I think it's daft to use win ratios as an argument when it's clear that they aren't the be all and end all, when it comes down to brass tacks it's when those games are won that makes the difference. Under Rodgers we've gone on long winning & undefeated runs after poor starts, before faltering when it matters most.


"Win enough games for a Liverpool manager"
 
I'd missed that bit!

Fair enough then, but winning enough games wouldn't be the yardstick I'd use, anymore than it'd be the amount of points in the league.

Yeah I know, but it was a lazy point to level at Rodgers, it would have just been easier and more accurate to say "win some bloody silverware!"
 
The reason for Rodgers current win ratio is largely Suarez, not Rodgers' fine strategic and tactical acumen.
I'll wager that the "win ratio" has been declining quite markedly since Suarez left. To use your own words, it's "a lazy point" to shoot win ratios back at any poster.
 
If my toy is a jigsaw or one of the fucking figures, he's got a lot more making up to do
So fucking disappointing when that happens. I swear they've dumbed down the kinder egg toys, even the ones you need to make are easier to make.
 
Perhaps you have just got better at them in the last 30 years.
Ha. Me & the lads went on a stag do to Prague a few years back, we bought a kinder egg each every day, the chocolate was different & the toys rocked. Little lampposts that lit up & had swinging bats on them & such. Well better than the shite the kids end up with when I buy them here.
 
The reason for Rodgers current win ratio is largely Suarez, not Rodgers' fine strategic and tactical acumen.
I'll wager that the "win ratio" has been declining quite markedly since Suarez left. To use your own words, it's "a lazy point" to shoot win ratios back at any poster.

His win ratio wasn't that great before he bought Coutinho and Sturridge - we had Suarez then too, it works both ways. His win record when Suarez was banned was good too. I wasn't shooting win ratios "back at any poster". I was addressing the point about winning enough games to be a Liverpool manager, his record is pretty decent, despite the form at the beginning of his tenure and last season. He didn't just lose one top class striker, he lost two, but obviously that's looking at it without some shitty agenda to adhere to.
 
Many have argued on here that Rodgers is not the man to lead Liverpool forwards. From their perspective, the "shitty agenda" is having him stay. Why get so uppity about it all?
 
Mark actually wanted him to be sacked at the end of the season, too!

I thought enough was enough after Stoke and Palace, he could have gone then and it wouldn't have been too unfair, but he had done alot of good over his tenure, particularly between January 2013-May 2014, we were excellent during that period. I don't think it's that unreasonable either, with that in mind, to give him a chance to get back on track and get it right.

I wasn't calling for him to be sacked though, nor did I want it, I was just resigned to the fact that it could happen.
 
Many have argued on here that Rodgers is not the man to lead Liverpool forwards. From their perspective, the "shitty agenda" is having him stay. Why get so uppity about it all?

Fair enough, I'm not trying to paint everything he's done as perfect though, I know he's fucked up and have acknowledged that enough times. Some of the posters who are dead against him, seem to be picking holes in absolutely everything.
 
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