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Regardless of ability, why does he suddenly look so slow these days?
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42414.msg1205790#msg1205790 date=1288045328]
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=42414.msg1205672#msg1205672 date=1288030324]
Magic did play most of the season at RM for Pompey and was superb.
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He didn't. He played "most of the season" at right back.
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I was wondering about that.
I hadnt watched many of their games, but when I caught a glimpse he seemed to be at RB.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=42414.msg1205672#msg1205672 date=1288030324]
Magic did play most of the season at RM for Pompey and was superb.
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He didn't. He played "most of the season" at right back.
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I was wondering about that.
I hadnt watched many of their games, but when I caught a glimpse he seemed to be at RB.
There have been occasions when he has looked stoned. This might also explain the absurd hairstyle and extra weight.
Magic's getting higher than a monkey.
Magic's getting higher than a monkey.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42414.msg1205853#msg1205853 date=1288074924]
There have been occasions when he has looked stoned. This might also explain the absurd hairstyle and extra weight.
Magic's getting higher than a monkey.
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And some hardcore munchies to go with it
There have been occasions when he has looked stoned. This might also explain the absurd hairstyle and extra weight.
Magic's getting higher than a monkey.
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And some hardcore munchies to go with it
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=42414.msg1205661#msg1205661 date=1288028844]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205600#msg1205600 date=1288025855]
Agree about Magic's defending but I remain to be convinced about putting him at RW. Even if he has played there (which I'm not certain is true BTW) it was a fair time ago and he's certainly not used to the position now. I'm not a big fan of such experiments at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
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you should ask yourself the possible outcomes of the experiment. either it works and you're obivously happy. or it doesn't and our team would have missed out on the chance to play maxi/jovanovic/babel. it's hardly a devestating body blow to our survival hopes is it
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hahaha, well said. FWIW i think one of the jobs of a creative manager is making such experiments - analysing players' strengths and weaknesses etc. it worked ok for bob paisley and ray kennedy.
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It did, but Ray Kennedy was a far more skilful footballer with a massively better team around him, besides which they were flying and we, er, aren't. Too often in these past barren 20 years Liverpool managers have played about with "creative" experiments of this kind. There's a time and a place for such an approach, and this is neither.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205600#msg1205600 date=1288025855]
Agree about Magic's defending but I remain to be convinced about putting him at RW. Even if he has played there (which I'm not certain is true BTW) it was a fair time ago and he's certainly not used to the position now. I'm not a big fan of such experiments at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
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you should ask yourself the possible outcomes of the experiment. either it works and you're obivously happy. or it doesn't and our team would have missed out on the chance to play maxi/jovanovic/babel. it's hardly a devestating body blow to our survival hopes is it
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hahaha, well said. FWIW i think one of the jobs of a creative manager is making such experiments - analysing players' strengths and weaknesses etc. it worked ok for bob paisley and ray kennedy.
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It did, but Ray Kennedy was a far more skilful footballer with a massively better team around him, besides which they were flying and we, er, aren't. Too often in these past barren 20 years Liverpool managers have played about with "creative" experiments of this kind. There's a time and a place for such an approach, and this is neither.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42414.msg1205800#msg1205800 date=1288046526]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42414.msg1205799#msg1205799 date=1288046451]
Regardless of ability, why does he suddenly look so slow these days?
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He's probably stoned.
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He has put on weight?
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42414.msg1205799#msg1205799 date=1288046451]
Regardless of ability, why does he suddenly look so slow these days?
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He's probably stoned.
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He has put on weight?
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205943#msg1205943 date=1288085325]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42414.msg1205667#msg1205667 date=1288029396]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=42414.msg1205661#msg1205661 date=1288028844]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205600#msg1205600 date=1288025855]
Agree about Magic's defending but I remain to be convinced about putting him at RW. Even if he has played there (which I'm not certain is true BTW) it was a fair time ago and he's certainly not used to the position now. I'm not a big fan of such experiments at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
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you should ask yourself the possible outcomes of the experiment. either it works and you're obivously happy. or it doesn't and our team would have missed out on the chance to play maxi/jovanovic/babel. it's hardly a devestating body blow to our survival hopes is it
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hahaha, well said. FWIW i think one of the jobs of a creative manager is making such experiments - analysing players' strengths and weaknesses etc. it worked ok for bob paisley and ray kennedy.
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It did, but Ray Kennedy was a far more skilful footballer with a massively better team around him, besides which they were flying and we, er, aren't. Too often in these past barren 20 years Liverpool managers have played about with "creative" experiments of this kind. There's a time and a place for such an approach, and this is neither.
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I don't think it's a great risk, because defensively Johnson is questionable anyway so playing Carra or Kelly at right back is neither here nor there, and Maxi (despite his good performance at the weekend) hasn't been pulling up trees. Even if it doesn't work it's not going to be drastically worse than what we've been playing with.
I understand the point about our position but it's not like we're asking to go three at the back, it's a fairly obvious option to try out that won't particularly unbalance the side. What me might be best doing is trying it in the next Euro game and seeing how it goes.
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=42414.msg1205661#msg1205661 date=1288028844]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205600#msg1205600 date=1288025855]
Agree about Magic's defending but I remain to be convinced about putting him at RW. Even if he has played there (which I'm not certain is true BTW) it was a fair time ago and he's certainly not used to the position now. I'm not a big fan of such experiments at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
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you should ask yourself the possible outcomes of the experiment. either it works and you're obivously happy. or it doesn't and our team would have missed out on the chance to play maxi/jovanovic/babel. it's hardly a devestating body blow to our survival hopes is it
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hahaha, well said. FWIW i think one of the jobs of a creative manager is making such experiments - analysing players' strengths and weaknesses etc. it worked ok for bob paisley and ray kennedy.
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It did, but Ray Kennedy was a far more skilful footballer with a massively better team around him, besides which they were flying and we, er, aren't. Too often in these past barren 20 years Liverpool managers have played about with "creative" experiments of this kind. There's a time and a place for such an approach, and this is neither.
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I don't think it's a great risk, because defensively Johnson is questionable anyway so playing Carra or Kelly at right back is neither here nor there, and Maxi (despite his good performance at the weekend) hasn't been pulling up trees. Even if it doesn't work it's not going to be drastically worse than what we've been playing with.
I understand the point about our position but it's not like we're asking to go three at the back, it's a fairly obvious option to try out that won't particularly unbalance the side. What me might be best doing is trying it in the next Euro game and seeing how it goes.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42414.msg1206048#msg1206048 date=1288094451]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205943#msg1205943 date=1288085325]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42414.msg1205667#msg1205667 date=1288029396]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=42414.msg1205661#msg1205661 date=1288028844]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205600#msg1205600 date=1288025855]
Agree about Magic's defending but I remain to be convinced about putting him at RW. Even if he has played there (which I'm not certain is true BTW) it was a fair time ago and he's certainly not used to the position now. I'm not a big fan of such experiments at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
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you should ask yourself the possible outcomes of the experiment. either it works and you're obivously happy. or it doesn't and our team would have missed out on the chance to play maxi/jovanovic/babel. it's hardly a devestating body blow to our survival hopes is it
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hahaha, well said. FWIW i think one of the jobs of a creative manager is making such experiments - analysing players' strengths and weaknesses etc. it worked ok for bob paisley and ray kennedy.
[/quote]
It did, but Ray Kennedy was a far more skilful footballer with a massively better team around him, besides which they were flying and we, er, aren't. Too often in these past barren 20 years Liverpool managers have played about with "creative" experiments of this kind. There's a time and a place for such an approach, and this is neither.
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I don't think it's a great risk, because defensively Johnson is questionable anyway so playing Carra or Kelly at right back is neither here nor there, and Maxi (despite his good performance at the weekend) hasn't been pulling up trees. Even if it doesn't work it's not going to be drastically worse than what we've been playing with.
I understand the point about our position but it's not like we're asking to go three at the back, it's a fairly obvious option to try out that won't particularly unbalance the side. What me might be best doing is trying it in the next Euro game and seeing how it goes.
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so you move johnson to right midfield and play kuyt...?
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205943#msg1205943 date=1288085325]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42414.msg1205667#msg1205667 date=1288029396]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=42414.msg1205661#msg1205661 date=1288028844]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205600#msg1205600 date=1288025855]
Agree about Magic's defending but I remain to be convinced about putting him at RW. Even if he has played there (which I'm not certain is true BTW) it was a fair time ago and he's certainly not used to the position now. I'm not a big fan of such experiments at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
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you should ask yourself the possible outcomes of the experiment. either it works and you're obivously happy. or it doesn't and our team would have missed out on the chance to play maxi/jovanovic/babel. it's hardly a devestating body blow to our survival hopes is it
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hahaha, well said. FWIW i think one of the jobs of a creative manager is making such experiments - analysing players' strengths and weaknesses etc. it worked ok for bob paisley and ray kennedy.
[/quote]
It did, but Ray Kennedy was a far more skilful footballer with a massively better team around him, besides which they were flying and we, er, aren't. Too often in these past barren 20 years Liverpool managers have played about with "creative" experiments of this kind. There's a time and a place for such an approach, and this is neither.
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I don't think it's a great risk, because defensively Johnson is questionable anyway so playing Carra or Kelly at right back is neither here nor there, and Maxi (despite his good performance at the weekend) hasn't been pulling up trees. Even if it doesn't work it's not going to be drastically worse than what we've been playing with.
I understand the point about our position but it's not like we're asking to go three at the back, it's a fairly obvious option to try out that won't particularly unbalance the side. What me might be best doing is trying it in the next Euro game and seeing how it goes.
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so you move johnson to right midfield and play kuyt...?
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42414.msg1206048#msg1206048 date=1288094451]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205943#msg1205943 date=1288085325]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42414.msg1205667#msg1205667 date=1288029396]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=42414.msg1205661#msg1205661 date=1288028844]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205600#msg1205600 date=1288025855]
Agree about Magic's defending but I remain to be convinced about putting him at RW. Even if he has played there (which I'm not certain is true BTW) it was a fair time ago and he's certainly not used to the position now. I'm not a big fan of such experiments at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
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you should ask yourself the possible outcomes of the experiment. either it works and you're obivously happy. or it doesn't and our team would have missed out on the chance to play maxi/jovanovic/babel. it's hardly a devestating body blow to our survival hopes is it
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hahaha, well said. FWIW i think one of the jobs of a creative manager is making such experiments - analysing players' strengths and weaknesses etc. it worked ok for bob paisley and ray kennedy.
[/quote]
It did, but Ray Kennedy was a far more skilful footballer with a massively better team around him, besides which they were flying and we, er, aren't. Too often in these past barren 20 years Liverpool managers have played about with "creative" experiments of this kind. There's a time and a place for such an approach, and this is neither.
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I don't think it's a great risk, because defensively Johnson is questionable anyway so playing Carra or Kelly at right back is neither here nor there, and Maxi (despite his good performance at the weekend) hasn't been pulling up trees. Even if it doesn't work it's not going to be drastically worse than what we've been playing with.
I understand the point about our position but it's not like we're asking to go three at the back, it's a fairly obvious option to try out that won't particularly unbalance the side. What me might be best doing is trying it in the next Euro game and seeing how it goes.
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so you move johnson to right midfield and play kuyt...?
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He's injured! But yeah when he comes back he's versatile enough to play anywhere across the attack so he's there as an option, it's just another option to try out at the end of the day, if it works it works, if it doesn't we persevere with Maxi or Kuyt.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42414.msg1206048#msg1206048 date=1288094451]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205943#msg1205943 date=1288085325]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42414.msg1205667#msg1205667 date=1288029396]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=42414.msg1205661#msg1205661 date=1288028844]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42414.msg1205600#msg1205600 date=1288025855]
Agree about Magic's defending but I remain to be convinced about putting him at RW. Even if he has played there (which I'm not certain is true BTW) it was a fair time ago and he's certainly not used to the position now. I'm not a big fan of such experiments at the best of times, and these are hardly the best of times.
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you should ask yourself the possible outcomes of the experiment. either it works and you're obivously happy. or it doesn't and our team would have missed out on the chance to play maxi/jovanovic/babel. it's hardly a devestating body blow to our survival hopes is it
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hahaha, well said. FWIW i think one of the jobs of a creative manager is making such experiments - analysing players' strengths and weaknesses etc. it worked ok for bob paisley and ray kennedy.
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It did, but Ray Kennedy was a far more skilful footballer with a massively better team around him, besides which they were flying and we, er, aren't. Too often in these past barren 20 years Liverpool managers have played about with "creative" experiments of this kind. There's a time and a place for such an approach, and this is neither.
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I don't think it's a great risk, because defensively Johnson is questionable anyway so playing Carra or Kelly at right back is neither here nor there, and Maxi (despite his good performance at the weekend) hasn't been pulling up trees. Even if it doesn't work it's not going to be drastically worse than what we've been playing with.
I understand the point about our position but it's not like we're asking to go three at the back, it's a fairly obvious option to try out that won't particularly unbalance the side. What me might be best doing is trying it in the next Euro game and seeing how it goes.
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so you move johnson to right midfield and play kuyt...?
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He's injured! But yeah when he comes back he's versatile enough to play anywhere across the attack so he's there as an option, it's just another option to try out at the end of the day, if it works it works, if it doesn't we persevere with Maxi or Kuyt.
This worth trying?
.............................Pepe..........................
Carra.......Kyrgiakos......Skrtl........Konche
..................Gerrard.....Meireles..............
..........................Maxi..............................
Johnson...........................................Cole
.........................Torres...........................
Maxi plays the AM role well, and he has played there many times before at club level in a line-up that had Torres.
.............................Pepe..........................
Carra.......Kyrgiakos......Skrtl........Konche
..................Gerrard.....Meireles..............
..........................Maxi..............................
Johnson...........................................Cole
.........................Torres...........................
Maxi plays the AM role well, and he has played there many times before at club level in a line-up that had Torres.
Well it looks good to me, being that Lucas is a notable absentee , and I like Maxi
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Carra is not a RB
Magic is not a RW
Maxi is shit.
Next
Magic is not a RW
Maxi is shit.
Next
So in conclusion he has played RW. He can't defend well, we've got Kelly to play RB, and only Babel or Maxi to play RW.
Play Johnson RW and be done with it.
Moving further up has done wonders for Bale, and even Evra at the weekend. It's really not a daring move, I don't understand why Roy's too scared to do it.
Play Johnson RW and be done with it.
Moving further up has done wonders for Bale, and even Evra at the weekend. It's really not a daring move, I don't understand why Roy's too scared to do it.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42414.msg1206672#msg1206672 date=1288171648]
So in conclusion he has played RW. He can't defend well, we've got Kelly to play RB, and only Babel or Maxi to play RW.
Play Johnson RW and be done with it.
Moving further up has done wonders for Bale, and even Evra at the weekend. It's really not a daring move, I don't understand why Roy's too scared to do it.
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Sorry Anita but Evra was fucking awful at LW on Saturday. He had no idea where to go, how to get involved, and looked clearly frustrated. He barely touched the thing in the opening 45 mins because he was so hopelessly lost.
Sir Alex only played him there cos he wanted a taller left-back in place to combat Kenwyne Jones' reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls.
So in conclusion he has played RW. He can't defend well, we've got Kelly to play RB, and only Babel or Maxi to play RW.
Play Johnson RW and be done with it.
Moving further up has done wonders for Bale, and even Evra at the weekend. It's really not a daring move, I don't understand why Roy's too scared to do it.
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Sorry Anita but Evra was fucking awful at LW on Saturday. He had no idea where to go, how to get involved, and looked clearly frustrated. He barely touched the thing in the opening 45 mins because he was so hopelessly lost.
Sir Alex only played him there cos he wanted a taller left-back in place to combat Kenwyne Jones' reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls.
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Sir Alex only played him there cos he wanted a taller left-back in place to combat Kenwyne Jones' reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls.
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reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls?
Sir Alex only played him there cos he wanted a taller left-back in place to combat Kenwyne Jones' reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls.
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reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls?
Granted that Magic hasn't played to his usual high standards since his injury, the bashing he gets is unjustified. He is a player returning from injury and easing his way back, but there are other players who haven't been arsed to turn up weekly. It's fair to say that the criticism should be spread around because all the players bar Stevie (and Meireles to a lesser degree) are guilty.
Roy doesn't rate Magic so rumours of him learning Spanish may stand him in good stead come the January window.
Roy doesn't rate Magic so rumours of him learning Spanish may stand him in good stead come the January window.
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42414.msg1207141#msg1207141 date=1288244737]
Sir Alex only played him there cos he wanted a taller left-back in place to combat Kenwyne Jones' reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls.
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reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls?
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Spry meant to say penchant.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42414.msg1207141#msg1207141 date=1288244737]
Sir Alex only played him there cos he wanted a taller left-back in place to combat Kenwyne Jones' reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls.
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reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls?
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Spry meant to say penchant.
The example of Gareth Bale isn't as good as all that. He'd played at least as often at LM as he had at LB before going to Tottenham. That doesn't apply to Magic, whose situation is far more akin to Evra's.
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The bottom line is we're better defensivily with out Johnson at the moment, and there's no harm in trying him on the wing for a sub appearance against tired legs. I'd much rather that than throw Babel on. That's all people are really suggesting. I'm amazed there's been so much debate about it in recent weeks really. It's pretty dull stuff.
His defending's been well off lately but I don't agree it's always *that* poor. Too many of our players have been off the boil this season and Magic unfortunately has been one of them. When he picks up, his defending will too.
And Squiggs, it simply isn't true that "people are suggesting" he only make sub appearances on the wing. If that were the case I'd have no particular problem with it. The suggestion's been that he get picked for a run of games in that position.
And Squiggs, it simply isn't true that "people are suggesting" he only make sub appearances on the wing. If that were the case I'd have no particular problem with it. The suggestion's been that he get picked for a run of games in that position.
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42414.msg1206672#msg1206672 date=1288171648]
So in conclusion he has played RW. He can't defend well, we've got Kelly to play RB, and only Babel or Maxi to play RW.
Play Johnson RW and be done with it.
Moving further up has done wonders for Bale, and even Evra at the weekend. It's really not a daring move, I don't understand why Roy's too scared to do it.
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Sorry Anita but Evra was fucking awful at LW on Saturday. He had no idea where to go, how to get involved, and looked clearly frustrated. He barely touched the thing in the opening 45 mins because he was so hopelessly lost.
Sir Alex only played him there cos he wanted a taller left-back in place to combat Kenwyne Jones' reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls.
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I wasn't saying Evra played particularly well, I only see brief highlights of the game, he looked alright in what I saw, and I'm sure he'd improve if he was given a run of games there, he's a very good crosser and capable of beating his man too. But I was just using him as an example of another FB that's been moved further up, i.e. it's really not a daring move.
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42414.msg1206672#msg1206672 date=1288171648]
So in conclusion he has played RW. He can't defend well, we've got Kelly to play RB, and only Babel or Maxi to play RW.
Play Johnson RW and be done with it.
Moving further up has done wonders for Bale, and even Evra at the weekend. It's really not a daring move, I don't understand why Roy's too scared to do it.
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Sorry Anita but Evra was fucking awful at LW on Saturday. He had no idea where to go, how to get involved, and looked clearly frustrated. He barely touched the thing in the opening 45 mins because he was so hopelessly lost.
Sir Alex only played him there cos he wanted a taller left-back in place to combat Kenwyne Jones' reluctance to drift wide and win the long hopeful high balls.
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I wasn't saying Evra played particularly well, I only see brief highlights of the game, he looked alright in what I saw, and I'm sure he'd improve if he was given a run of games there, he's a very good crosser and capable of beating his man too. But I was just using him as an example of another FB that's been moved further up, i.e. it's really not a daring move.
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