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So, Rodgers was asked, is he eight players short of having a title winning team here on Merseyside?

‘That’s probably two short of what they need,’ he replied, and given that United approved the book before publication they probably deserved it.

That is brilliant.

Along with the dug about Henderson on his hands & knees, you can tell Rodgers has had a good listen to the Shankly tapes & the way he handled such shit.

I long for the day when Rodgers feels comfortable on his position enough that he will treat some friends the media questions directed at him in the same manner.

Not all the time, as Kenny did (funny as it was) cos we need to be more pr savvy than that, but wen thy really deserve it, it'd be nice to see him hand some of the smarmy sky reporters their arse like that.
 
Yeah that one, thanks.

Who's Matt Lawton when he's a home? Is he a red? I liked that article.
 
Yeah that one, thanks.

Who's Matt Lawton when he's a home? Is he a red? I liked that article.


Far from it. He can usually be relied on to slag us off. I think this one of those 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' things, as Ginsoak used to give him a hard time.


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Last updated at 2:55PM, October 24 2013

Brendan Rodgers has accused Sir Alex Ferguson of tarnishing his own legacy by breaking dressing-room confidences and making a series of claims that “lack credibility” in his new autobiography.

In a withering critique of the more headline-grabbing elements of Ferguson’s memoirs, Rodgers said that the former Manchester United manager is alone in his belief that Steven Gerrard is not “a top, top player” and insisted that he owes Jordan Henderson an apology for making potentially damaging comments about the England midfielder.

In a chapter devoted to Liverpool, Ferguson asserted that Henderson has a peculiar running style that is likely to cause him problems later in his career. Rodgers gave that statement short shrift, maintaining it is so outlandish that Ferguson should apologise to the player.

Citing the case of Jonjo Shelvey, who apologised to Ferguson last season after accusing the former manager of getting him sent off, Rodgers argued that the 71-year-old should follow Shelvey’s example by being “man enough” to admit that he is in the wrong.

“One of the things that we had last year was a young player, 20 years of age, whose actions were not very good in the Manchester United game at home,” Rodgers said. “After the game, he was man enough to apologise to Sir Alex.

“If you look at it in a reciprocal way, this is a comment [about Henderson] that was maybe flippant when it was said, but it has gone in there. And for a young player making his way , it could be damaging. That surprised me, coming from someone with that status in the game.

“On reflection, as someone who has worked with young players and understands the impact words can have with them, I’m sure that if he [Ferguson] bumps into him, hopefully he will apologise.

“I don’t want to publicise the book more than it already has been, but obviously the two things that were mentioned — the Steven thing, I think is incredible and Jordan is one that I was really surprised at. It is obviously an observation. It not something that is coming from factual credence. This is a boy who can play two or three games on the spin.
“He is a young lad making his way in the game and having worked with him — and Sir Alex hasn’t worked with him — I know he is improving all the time. Every player comes with different physicalities. One thing I would say is that, physically, he is an absolute machine.”

Rodgers laughed off Ferguson’s claim that Liverpool are “eight players short of becoming title contenders” with a flippant, “probably two short of what they need to win the league”, and he also dismissed the Scot’s declaration that he had been surprised he had been given the manager’s job at Anfield at such a young age.

Yet while he took a light-hearted approach to those sentiments, Rodgers’s claim that Ferguson has broken the dressing-room code by revealing secrets from his time as manager was more cutting .

“I would like to think, in the changing room I have, we can speak honestly and openly,” Rodgers said. “I would be bitterly disappointed if they [players] felt they couldn’t say anything because the manager might repeat it in times to come. ”
 
The bit he has to say about Spearing is interesting. Wonder what the next few lines were - seems like he's going to have a pop at the Academy or Benitez for stunting Spearing's development.
 
Roy Evans was talking about him today. He said, while he was managing LFC. he said to Ginsoak after a match: 'Y'know, you've got the referees in one pocket, and most of the managers in the other pocket'. And Ginsoak grinned, swigged back his wine and said: 'Shhhhh, don't tell!'
 
This is one of the reasons why Iiked Rafa, he had the balls to stand up to yer man. Jose and Fergie like the patronage system. Other teams owing them favors, like they are godfathers of influence. Rafa wasn't interested. I'd consider it a badge of honor to be disliked by someone like Ferguson, if I was a manger. It means, you're not a neutered cat like the rest of them.


Rafa was painted as losing it, ranting etc.... he took in a hand written list for gods sake, how is that anything other than premeditated?

We were robbed in our very next game days after the press conference by a bad reffing decision and then went on to finish second after chasing them like crazy... then the press came out with it being some kind of turning point etc etc ... it was the least ranty rant ive ever seen...

He pointed out that Fergy wielded too much power with the refs and the press alike and that the press just suck it up... Even though in the end results can paint him as the loser he was actually spot on to say it... no other bugger ever did... trouble is we are all supposed to just go meekly and except whatever scraps Fergie allows us all to have...

Balls to that. I would have straight up called him out as a cheating git.

Regardless of how it panned out I will always respect that Rafa had the coljons to stand up to the system and say it as it was....

Anyway... all done now.. C'mon Fergies prostrate....weave your magic...
 
Kenny Dalglish:
[article=http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/kenny-dalglish-alex-fergusons-autobiography-2587145]Sir Alex Ferguson is entitled to say whatever he wants about Manchester United in his latest autobiography. His words. His prerogative.

But there were a few things about the book and its timing that surprised me and many others, including United fans.

For a start, Sir Alex has written so many books already I’m not sure why he chose this one to settle so many old scores.

The timing is bad. It’s a bit strange to bring it out now when the new manager at the club needs help and support.

Its publication – and some of the upset it has caused at Old Trafford – is hardly ideal for David Moyes.

It was a bit odd to see Sir Alex’s comments on some of the players who had served him so well and had brought the club so much success, too.

The Scot made a big contribution but so did players such as Roy Keane, David Beckham and Ruud van Nistelrooy. It was sad Sir Alex felt the need to attack them after everything they had done for him and United.

As a manager, you are going to cross swords with players over the years and fall out with them. It is bound to happen.

But why dig all that up now and berate them in public? Sir Alex did not need to settle any scores because he brought tremendous success to the club.

Anyway, it is understandable that some players wanted to move on from United. It happens.

After all, he did not hesitate to move them on when he felt they were no longer of use.

It’s up to him what he says about United. It was his club.

But I did find it interesting that he saw fit to dedicate an entire chapter of his book to Liverpool Football Club.

I think a lot of people would have been interested to learn more about the Rock of Gibraltar story.

But there were only a few words about the racehorse and the controversy that caused so much upset at United and was part of the reason for his fall-out with Keane. Then he said that in his opinion the Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard was not “a top, top player”.

Considering he tried to buy him, it’s a strange statement straight away. Maybe he’s bitter that Steven didn’t want to go.

Ferguson must be the only person with any knowledge of football who does not regard Steven as a world-class player.

His performances over the years have spoken much louder than any of Ferguson’s words could.

He has acted with class on and off the pitch.

Maybe what’s eating Ferguson is that you can only imagine the success that United would have had with Steven in their team. It’s frightening.

And it would be scary to think of the trophies Liverpool would have missed out on without him.

He said he was not haunted by any of my signings at Liverpool, either.

Well, he may not have lost any sleep over them, but he certainly lost a few points.[/article]
 
Jamie Carragher:
[article=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2477069/Jamie-Carragher-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-wrong-Liverpool.html#ixzz2ionaQAsN ]During the week when football was coming to terms with Sir Alex Ferguson announcing his retirement, I received an unexpected letter.

My playing career was reaching its end too, and as I began reading the letter, the identity of the sender soon became apparent. He complimented me on my competitive spirit and stated his admiration for the way I had come from a working-class background to achieve things in life.

The letter was signed Sir Alex Ferguson.

It was genuinely humbling. He had so much going on in his life yet still found time to make that gesture. Of course, I wrote back to him. I thanked him for his words, congratulated him on his remarkable achievements and wished him all the best for his future.

I also told him how I’d enjoyed his first book and hoped he would pen another. If I’d known what comments he had in store for Liverpool, maybe I would have thought twice!

I’ve read with interest his observations on my Liverpool — the era from Roy Evans to Brendan Rodgers — and feel obliged to put across my own opinions. Some of the things Ferguson has said about Liverpool are right. Others are totally wrong.

Take the reference to Steven Gerrard not being ‘a top, top player’. I was flabbergasted. He won a Champions League final almost single-handedly in 2005. I didn’t see anyone do that for Ferguson on the two occasions Manchester United won it, 1999 and 2008.

Ferguson’s opinion is authoritative but I’d love to know who he does class as a ‘top, top player’; he says Stevie never got a kick against Roy Keane and Paul Scholes, but I don’t remember that to be the case. What I do remember is Stevie scoring big goals against United —like the League Cup final in 2003 — and setting up winning goals for Danny Murphy at Old Trafford. I remember Stevie’s energy, desire and talent rattling United when we played them.

Look at it the other way. Put Keane or Scholes in a Liverpool shirt and let them play against Stevie with the other alongside him. I would have been surprised if they could have done more on their own than Stevie. Keane and Scholes had the advantage of being surrounded by more great players.

What makes it all the more difficult to fathom is when you think of the lavish praise he gave Stevie in 2004. At a time when Scholes, Patrick Vieira and Frank Lampard were shining, Ferguson described him as the most influential midfielder in the Premier League. This was even before his iconic moments in Istanbul and Cardiff.

Another issue that confused me surrounded Michael Owen. Why would he have become a better player by joining United when he was 12? Ferguson cites the Under 20 World Cup in Malaysia in 1997, a tournament in which I also played, and how Michael was thrust straight back into Liverpool’s first team when he returned. Ferguson gave United’s representatives at that tournament, John Curtis and Ronnie Wallwork, a month off after they returned and the implication was that Liverpool didn’t manage Michael properly.

What were we supposed to do? Not play him? Michael became European Footballer of the Year in 2001; had he been at United, Ferguson would have almost certainly let him loose. He had done that, don’t forget, with Ryan Giggs, giving him his debut as a 17-year-old.

Like Michael, Giggs suffered from hamstring injuries early in his career — was that through being overplayed? — but he was able to reinvent himself as a central midfielder. Michael couldn’t do that as he was an out-and-out striker.

Then there is the claim that Liverpool lacked imagination under Rafa Benitez. That’s just not true. There were times when Liverpool played with more flair — such as when Roy Evans was in charge — but the team I played in during 2008-09 was the club’s best since the title-winning squad of 1990. Yes, Benitez spent a lot of money, but we were trying to catch up. Ferguson was spending from a position of strength, only needing to add one or two players every summer.

We were physically and mentally strong, but we didn’t lack a sense of adventure. We scored four against Arsenal, four at Old Trafford and beat Real Madrid 5-0 over two legs in the Champions League.

Stevie and Fernando Torres were the best front partnership in Europe, and I used to walk out on to the pitch that season with the absolute belief we would win. The only thing that stopped us claiming the title that year was the fact that United had Cristiano Ronaldo on the wing.

Benitez is pragmatic and may not see the game in the same way as Ferguson or Pep Guardiola, but we were not unimaginative. How could we be with players such as Xabi Alonso, Stevie and Torres? That year we were the real deal and that’s why it hurt so much losing the title to them.

My respect for Ferguson is total. I regard him as the best manager there has been for his achievements at Manchester United and, crucially, what he accomplished with Aberdeen. But he never managed to do what Bob Paisley did with Liverpool, namely achieving total European domination. Paisley remains out on his own with three European Cups and perhaps that’s why Liverpool remain at the forefront of Ferguson’s mind.

I’ve read the book and it is excellent, as you would expect from its author and subject. Certain criticisms of Liverpool are justified, too, such as the barb about us wearing T-shirts to support Luis Suarez at Wigan and Benitez’s ill-advised ‘facts’ press conference in 2009.

But there are some of Ferguson’s opinions about Liverpool — my Liverpool — that I simply cannot accept.

P.S. A word on Brendan Rodgers’s defence of his players. Ferguson may feel aggrieved at the comments, but he may also admire Rodgers. That, after all, is precisely how he would have reacted if the same had been said about one of his own.[/article]
 
Carra's another who falls for Ginsoak's arrogant assumption that he's some kind of football pope, bestowing congratulatory letters like papal medals. Rafa saw through that when he got one explaining to him how he won the Champions League. And if Carra thinks Ginsoak's right to criticise the Suarez t-shirts, why the feck did he wear one himself and not complain until Demento piped up? Of all the LFC responses so far, Carra's is the only one that gets it wrong.
 
And if Carra thinks Ginsoak's right to criticise the Suarez t-shirts, why the feck did he wear one himself and not complain until Demento piped up?

If you believe, as I do, that Suarez was completely innocent and was the victim of a set-up, it follows that the club was completely right in giving total support to their player. All these comments we heard in the media, including from former LFC players (with the honourable exception of John Barnes) that "the club handled it badly" imply that they thought some element of guilt attached to Suarez.

Any glib public relations-speak like "Luis is sorry for any misunderstanding" would have been completely wrong.
 
i'm tempted to get this book? anyone got it and have views? I'm interested in the more mundane issues and how ginosak views them - training, scouting, player motivation, club suits etc?
 
If you believe, as I do, that Suarez was completely innocent and was the victim of a set-up, it follows that the club was completely right in giving total support to their player. All these comments we heard in the media, including from former LFC players (with the honourable exception of John Barnes) that "the club handled it badly" imply that they thought some element of guilt attached to Suarez.

Any glib public relations-speak like "Luis is sorry for any misunderstanding" would have been completely wrong.

Yep. It would also have ensured Suarez' departure from the club, probably for a price a good deal lower than he's worth.
 
To be fair, so has, well everyone else. Let's face it the book has just confirmed that Ferguson is a sorry piece of work. The guy was obsessed with Liverpool before he became their manager, was obsessed whilst he was manager and, pretty clearly, obsessed after he was manager [begs the question, was he asked to retire???].

He should have thousands of stories on how he managed Man Utd to win all those trophies yet decides to write bile about Liverpool, his own players and anyone else that got within his sight. It goes to show the measure of the man (and those that claim he's a legend).

I don't think I dislike him, more feel sorry for him...

I very much doubt he was asked to retire. The suits behind the scenes there will have known very well indeed how much of their success they owed to the old bastard.

Your final paragraph is a generous one. If I were a better person I might feel the same. As it is, I admire the manager but despise the man.
 
Roy Evans was talking about him today. He said, while he was managing LFC. he said to Ginsoak after a match: 'Y'know, you've got the referees in one pocket, and most of the managers in the other pocket'. And Ginsoak grinned, swigged back his wine and said: 'Shhhhh, don't tell!'

So Ferguson was paranoid (about himself) too.
 
I was in Eason's yesterday and saw the cunt's sneaky face smiling at me from the front cover of his book. I felt like knocking the display over. And €24.99? Fuck off!
 
I very much doubt he was asked to retire. The suits behind the scenes there will have known very well indeed how much of their success they owed to the old bastard.

Your final paragraph is a generous one. If I were a better person I might feel the same. As it is, I admire the manager but despise the man.
I swear you're as obsessed with Ferguson as he is with Liverpool 😉

Considering a man is measured by his enemy that's pretty good. I pity Ryan since Dreamy seems to be his...
 
Carra's comments about the timing of Benitez's "facts" rant is interesting - I don't think I've seen any comments from other players on how they felt about that incident, and I wonder if the players felt it impacted them positively or otherwise.
 
Oliver Kay
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 26 2013

The Harry Walker Agency is on Lexington Avenue, just around the corner from the Chrysler Building and Grand Central Station. It purports, with some justification, to have the most exclusive list of public speakers in the world, including Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Kofi Annan, Henry Kissinger and their latest signing, Sir Alex Ferguson.

If you were thinking of asking Ferguson, now that he has a bit of time on his hands, to open your village fête or give out prizes on a school open day, you might want to think again. Harry Walker Agency clients do not come cheap. The suggestion is that any company wishing to hire Ferguson for a day’s work — glad-handing clients, offering anecdotes and thoughts on leadership and management — will have to pay about £100,000.

As such, it is unlikely that there will be too many more question-and-answer sessions as accessible as those surrounding his promotional tour for Alex Ferguson: My Autobiography. He will appear in Manchester on Monday, followed by dates in Glasgow, London, Dublin and Aberdeen, where they might want to ask him why his time at Pittodrie barely gets a mention in his new book. (Mark Hughes, incidentally, does not crop up once.)

There are some questions that Ferguson, evidently, will never answer, as he made clear after Matt Dickinson, of The Times, asked him on Tuesday why, in his book, he skirted over the Rock Of Gibraltar affair as if it were as trivial as one of those post-match rows about handshakes.

For the uninitiated, Ferguson’s dispute in 2003 with United’s two biggest shareholders over the stud rights to the champion racehorse severely destabilised him and the club. It led to an internal investigation of his son’s purported involvement in the club’s transfer dealings and, ultimately, to the takeover by an American family whose ownership has cost the club more than £500 million to prop up over the past eight years.

Ferguson, though, is “no gettin’ intae that”. So perhaps in future inquisitors should stick to football and ask him to expand on other matters arising from his autobiography, such as his claim to be “one of the few who felt [Steven] Gerrard was not a top, top player”.

This will be news to Gerrard, who has told how Gary Neville used to inform him on England duty that Ferguson longed to sign him. Indeed, in 2004, Ferguson described him as “the player you would replace [Roy] Keane with”, adding that “he has become the most influential player in England, bar none, more than [Patrick] Vieira. Anyone would love to have Gerrard in their team”.

The sudden reappraisal of Gerrard sticks out in that it is offered in such a throwaway, off-hand manner, lacking the slightest technical or tactical insight, particularly in stark contrast to Ferguson’s more detailed, if scathing, assessment of Jordan Henderson, another Liverpool midfield player.

It poses a question as to what Ferguson perceives Gerrard to lack. That is not a rhetorical question. It cannot be coincidence that neither Rafael Benítez nor Fabio Capello liked to use him in his favoured role as a box-to-box central midfield player — although this, naturally, is used earlier in the book by Ferguson as a stick with which to beat Benítez.

A hint, perhaps, comes in the context in which Ferguson makes his remark about Gerrard. After he laments England’s failure to make the most of the talents of Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick, Ferguson writes “Michael’s handicap was, I feel, that he lacked the bravado of Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard.”

Bravado is a good word. Ferguson’s favourite United team was full of it. Peter Schmeichel, Roy Keane, Paul Ince, Eric Cantona, Hughes — those were players with bravado, in a good way. His latter-day United were very successful, but on the occasions they fell short against top-level opposition, one persistent failing was a lack of Gerrard-esque aggression and tenacity in midfield, certainly if you read Ferguson’s assessments of where they went wrong in the Champions League final defeats by Barcelona.

Rightly or wrongly, English football culture treasures a Gerrard more than it does a Carrick or even a Scholes. Scholes was a genius, yet only twice in a long, illustrious career did his fellow professionals name him in the PFA Team of the Year. Gerrard has received that honour seven times — more than any other Premier League player in the era. Vieira and Ryan Giggs were nominated six times, Keane five, David Beckham four, Lampard three, Cesc Fàbregas twice and Carrick not at all until his deserved inclusion last season.

These records are cited not as proof of one player’s superiority over another but of Gerrard’s impact throughout his career, in a team that lacked quality in other departments, and of how highly regarded he is by his peers.

On the eve of his 100th England cap last November, Gerrard cited Scholes as the best player he had played alongside for England, saying that “his game is very similar to mine”. On the contrary, their games are rather different; Gerrard is the forceful all-rounder who likes to grab the bull by the horns, whereas Scholes, particularly in his later years, delighted in controlling the tempo of a game — pass, receive, pass, receive.

Gerrard is a more obvious product of a football culture in which, as Neville told The Times recently: “Kids growing up wanted to be Bryan Robson, Graeme Souness, Peter Reid — spirit, fight, great players, fantastic players, that bulldog spirit of player, who would go into every tackle as if their life depended on it.” Neville was drawing a contrast with the emerging generation of English youngsters and, while welcoming a more technical approach, he also seemed concerned by a loss of intensity.

A few weeks ago, Neville and Jamie Carragher debated on Sky Sports about who was the best of Gerrard, Scholes and Lampard. No prizes for guessing who they both chose. It is a futile debate, but at least there was insight. Carragher, for example, suggested that Scholes’s brilliance in England training sessions was not reflected in the very biggest matches — and do not get distracted by the notion that Scholes was played out of position by Sven-Göran Eriksson, which did not happen until the final games of his international career.

You can pick holes in any player’s game if you are desperate to do so, but to suggest, as some do, that Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo excel as they do only because they have teams set up to optimise their talents, is to ignore the technical brilliance and artistry in just about everything they do. To suggest that Xavi Hernández and Andrés Iniesta are merely cogs in a well-oiled machine at Barcelona is to ignore that this very machine was built around their almost unrivalled majesty in possession of the ball.

To dismiss Gerrard and Lampard casually, as Ferguson did, seems unusually lazy and you are left with the impression that Ferguson regards Gerrard, like he did Alan Shearer, as one who got away. Gerrard, like Shearer, has devoted the best years of his career to his hometown club and does not have a Premier League winner’s medal. Carrick has five. Less deservedly, Anderson, whose contribution Ferguson does his best to talk up in the book, has four. Tom Cleverley and Darron Gibson have one each. On a related note, Giggs, a month short of his 40th birthday, is one of United’s best options in midfield.

In the post-Keane era, United have shown that it is possible for an English team to thrive without a midfield player of Gerrard’s ability, and, yes, bravado.

Does Ferguson really believe, though, that such a player would not have made them an even better team? Answering that question would give genuine insight not only into one of the best English players of his generation but also into the Achilles heel in an extremely successful United team. By contrast, asking about the Rock Of Gibraltar affair, when you know after last Tuesday that he’s “no gettin’ intae that”? That would just be bravado.
 
Carra's another who falls for Ginsoak's arrogant assumption that he's some kind of football pope, bestowing congratulatory letters like papal medals. Rafa saw through that when he got one explaining to him how he won the Champions League. And if Carra thinks Ginsoak's right to criticise the Suarez t-shirts, why the feck did he wear one himself and not complain until Demento piped up? Of all the LFC responses so far, Carra's is the only one that gets it wrong.

Maybe he did think it was ill advised at the time but wore it to support Kenny and Suarez?
 
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