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Puyol? Carvalho? Seriously?

The others I more or less get and now back to the point.

When a team decides to apply a ball-playing defender they will also have to accept the fact there's more room for error than compared to an out and out defender. That's why Rurik asked Ryan this Q in the first place.

Luiz, Cahill, Pique are at least as error-prone if not worse than Agger. So there you have it.

Either you prefer two no nonsense defenders in the Carra/Terry mould or you aim for one of each. If you pick a ball-playing defender like Agger or Skrtel you will get errors to go along with it. Swings and roundabouts.

And yes. I am done for now on this matter. We disagree. It's ok.
 
Who cares if other defenders play he ball better

Most defenders in the league defend better. That's the point we're making kris.
This is starting to remind me of a great Monthy Python sketch
 
Who gives a fuck? No one was arguing the toss anyway, other than that he's not as swaggeringly brilliant as you deluded folk make out.. Oh and Modo, like I give a fuck what you think.

He's a good defender but there are plenty about that are as good or better, two of our current crop included when you consider defensive ability.
 
I'd like to see Cahill, a defender I still rate, do what Agger did right there.
Joke of a post by Mark.
 
Who gives a fuck? No one was arguing the toss anyway, other than that he's not as swaggeringly brilliant as you deluded folk make out.. Oh and Modo, like I give a fuck what you think.

He's a good defender but there are plenty about that are as good or better, two of our current crop included when you consider defensive ability.
Yes were arguing exactly this. If you don't give a fuck stay out of the argument. Very confusing.
 
Gary fucking Cahill....

I think I just stopped giving a fuck about your posts as well
 
That Sidse Babett Knudsen in "Borgen" is not at all bad. Sofie could have competition here.

(Just trying to see if Ross's head will really explode.)
 
Still no names I see. Interesting.

With plenty being better on the ball than Agger it shouldn't be this hard for you. And I am mainly referring to Ryan and Del here who's both failed to give us a few examples.

You've pretty much failed to absorb anything I've said, and now you're trying to claim some kind of victory because I won't answer your moronic question. There are plenty of examples provided in this thread already, not least by myself and rurikbird. Again, if you'd taken the time to read and absorb what's been said before repeating the same, tired bullshit then we wouldn't keep going round in circles.

Off the top of my head though:
Pique
Thiago Silva
Hummels
Lucio
Pepe
Subotić

And from the Premier League:
Luiz
Nastasić
Cahill
Kompany
Ferdinand

The above are at least Agger's equal when it comes to footballing ability. The difference (AND THE CRUX OF THE MATTER, WHICH HAS ESCAPED YOU THUS FAR DESPITE IT BEING SPOON-FED TO YOU) is, the majority of them are also much better at defending than him. I fully expect you to deny this, so I think I'll just leave you to it, safe in the knowledge that you're a bit mental.

EDIT: Just realised that mark has already done this for you. Sorry mark!
 
Agendas are fun

Khl and modo aren't going to change their mind.
. I still think Skrtel is the better of the 2, but he needs someone to help him. Agger isn't that person.

Carra should start every game with one of agger or Skrtel, and I think for he next few games Skrtel deserves a go
 
You've pretty much failed to absorb anything I've said, and now you're trying to claim some kind of victory because I won't answer your moronic question. There are plenty of examples provided in this thread already, not least by myself and rurikbird. Again, if you'd taken the time to read and absorb what's been said before repeating the same, tired bullshit then we wouldn't keep going round in circles.

Off the top of my head though:
Pique
Thiago Silva
Hummels
Lucio
Pepe
Subotić

And from the Premier League:
Luiz
Nastasić
Cahill
Kompany
Ferdinand

The above are at least Agger's equal when it comes to footballing ability. The difference (AND THE CRUX OF THE MATTER, WHICH HAS ESCAPED YOU THUS FAR DESPITE IT BEING SPOON-FED TO YOU) is, the majority of them are also much better at defending than him. I fully expect you to deny this, so I think I'll just leave you to it, safe in the knowledge that you're a bit mental.
Haha you are most funny.

The inclusion of Nastasic in that list tells me one thing. You don't know anything about football.

I think that's why I don't get what you've been saying all along. It's mostly plain stupid.
 
Nastasic clearly can play the ball. He's 19 and doesn't look out of place at the current champions.
 
Nastasic clearly can play the ball. He's 19 and doesn't look out of place at the current champions.
Yeah he's better on the ball and a better defender than Agger already.

I rest my case, you are beyond reach.
 
Yeah he's better on the ball and a better defender than Agger already.

I rest my case, you are beyond reach.

Has he done it over 7 seasons? No, I'll give you that, but you asked who's better. Nastasic was mentioned because presently.... He is...
 
Haha you are most funny.

The inclusion of Nastasic in that list tells me one thing. You don't know anything about football.

I think that's why I don't get what you've been saying all along. It's mostly plain stupid.

He is excellent with the ball, and I believe will form an excellent partnership with Kompany, eventually. But anyway, that's beside the point. The fact that you choose to comment on one thing in each of my posts, whilst ignoring everything else, quite clearly proves you're not interested in having a sensible discussion.

I'll take that as a concession on your part.
 
Has he done it over 7 seasons? No, I'll give you that, but you asked who's better. Nastasic was mentioned because presently.... He is...
*must not bite any more.... no matter how stupid*
 
He is excellent with the ball, and I believe will form an excellent partnership with Kompany, eventually. But anyway, that's beside the point. The fact that you choose to comment on one thing in each of my posts, whilst ignoring everything else, quite clearly proves you're not interested in having a sensible discussion.

I'll take that as a concession on your part.
There's a limit to my good will is all. To much to argue with, I throw the towel in the ring. Defeated. Overwhelmed by the weight of the arguments.
 
Agger is a nice guy, seems to love the club and likes a run with the ball but before this season he's been injured 20(ish) months at Liverpool and he's starting to look a bit careless at the back. It looks like he might be over the injuries but if he suffers one more long term injury I think he becomes a drastically less interesting and valuable proposition to other clubs.

If we're looking to get rid of one and make the maximum cash the Agger should be out the door first, we could probably flog Skrtel to some rich Russian club for a good amount at any stage.
 
You are all fucking crazy... The defenders we have is good enough. They line of Johnson - Skrtel - Agger - Enrique is filled with TOP internationals (besides) enrique and has enough talent to be a monster back 4 which is capable of attack as well.

So why do they look indidually poor?

When we have the ball:

When our goalie has the ball, he will look for a defender to start of with the ball at the back (hence it is fucking stupid to suggest that our defenders don't need to be comfortable on the ball). We then start to string passes together deep inside our own half. And they are short passes with high risk. This allows the opposition team to establish their front press line deep inside our half, with the midfield also established inside our half. Example here is the Arsenal game, were we struggled to get through their midfield press level, which was appr 35-40 meters from our goalline. We invited them to press this high, and we mispassed the ball repeatedly. This results in that the opposition can start their attacks from within our half time and time again. Good teams will utilize this to play out the ddefence. There si no protection ahead of them when we loose the ball, and there is no room behind them either. Even when we play higher up in the field, we often go for the sideway, backway pass, rolling the ball between us which is high risk as misppasses will expose the defence to constant 1 on 1 on even 2 on 1 situations.

Furthermore the fullbacks are given freedom to roam if we attack. they are hyperoffensive, which of course makes the spaces to defend much bigger. People have talked about Sami, and all respect to him. But the defensive organization as a team was much bigger, Carra and Finnan was very much defensive fullbacks, and the team took lot less risk on the ball. We could play Sami to his strengths.

When we chase the ball:

To be fair the defensive work of our midfield has been a joke the whole season. This gives the CDs both strikers and midfielders to mark. I don't know how many goals against have come from midfielders, but I bet you it aint few. Against City is an example. When Agger is left alone inside the box, people are complaining he looses his man. I don't know what people expect in those situations. When Johnosn let his man ion the inside the domino effect was started, and the "loosing his man" just show people don't understand football. We play high risk, and we leave acres open for attackers to drag the CDs out of position for midfielders to fill the void spaces left open. None of our midfielders follow them. This creates constant pressure on the CDs allready occupied with looking after spaces where the fullback is missing. it is suicidal defending as a team, and it is naive to allow the fullbacks to attack like they do without a proper CM taking responsibility defensively. And seeing that Coutinho is already here, and Ben Harfa rumoured to be on our radar, this is something we have to get used to.

We will not sharpen the defensive structure with Cahill, or Luiz or who the hell people believe will fit better. Look at Chelsea under Villas Boas. Fullbacks pressing to high, leaving huge gaps for CDs to try to cover. Kamikaze defending built on a philosophy that we will never loose the ball.

We are lucky to have who we got, incl carragher. They solve the job better than anyone else would have done given their scope of work.
 
I've never seen bias at this level before.

It's quite spectacular to behold khl. You're not even willing to concede an inch on anything that's not saying aggers the best ball playing defender in the league
 
City shipping goals at the minute?
I watched us rip them apart at times on Sunday - including this Nastasic bloke - at least untill he got subbed around the hour mark.

He was probably to good to be playing on or something.
 
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