Yes. Yes he can.
He's a quality footballer.
He's a quality footballer.
Could Glen Johnson be our Gareth Bale
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42561.msg1210585#msg1210585 date=1288768506]
I must say I find this recent bogue of lambasting Glenjo a bit strange. Or maybe I don't.
He's had a shitty start to the season, but he's still a quality footballer. He came off the back of a World Cup and started the season poorly, but Christ he wasn't the only one in that regard.
He's had an ever-changing back four to contend with, utterly gay tactics from his manager, and no Dirk in front of him for the most part. They've all played a part.
This time last year he was being lauded as one of the best full-backs in the World, and right now - he's a hapless overweight chump?
As ever, the truth lies somwehere in between. I like Glenjo, he'll come good for us.
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I disagree that he was or is a quality footballer, technically he is "OK" and he is quite athletic his positional sense and concentration are absolutely woeful for a defender. I thought it was 17M thrown away at the time and i still do and was bemused when everybody was creaming themselves about him earlier on. The fact that he plays for England is absolutely no guarantee of quality either.
IF he can sort out the fucking major flaws in his game he might well turn into a good player because of his technical and physical ability otherwise i just wish we'd never bought him tbh...
17M misses a decimal point
I must say I find this recent bogue of lambasting Glenjo a bit strange. Or maybe I don't.
He's had a shitty start to the season, but he's still a quality footballer. He came off the back of a World Cup and started the season poorly, but Christ he wasn't the only one in that regard.
He's had an ever-changing back four to contend with, utterly gay tactics from his manager, and no Dirk in front of him for the most part. They've all played a part.
This time last year he was being lauded as one of the best full-backs in the World, and right now - he's a hapless overweight chump?
As ever, the truth lies somwehere in between. I like Glenjo, he'll come good for us.
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I disagree that he was or is a quality footballer, technically he is "OK" and he is quite athletic his positional sense and concentration are absolutely woeful for a defender. I thought it was 17M thrown away at the time and i still do and was bemused when everybody was creaming themselves about him earlier on. The fact that he plays for England is absolutely no guarantee of quality either.
IF he can sort out the fucking major flaws in his game he might well turn into a good player because of his technical and physical ability otherwise i just wish we'd never bought him tbh...
17M misses a decimal point
personally I think he is one of the better players in our squad but that is probably damning with faint praise...
I still rate Magic.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42561.msg1210635#msg1210635 date=1288777876]
Yeah, but it would be easier teach him that than how to defend properly.
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To paraphrase you
I you can't cross by 26...
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I think that's different, its a technique that can be learned as opposed to defending which is about a certain mindset.
Or to paraphrase Ryan if you've got a porn star as a wife, would you make her spend most of her time keeping the house tidy or would you make use of her more obvious talents as much as possible?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42561.msg1210635#msg1210635 date=1288777876]
Yeah, but it would be easier teach him that than how to defend properly.
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To paraphrase you
I you can't cross by 26...
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I think that's different, its a technique that can be learned as opposed to defending which is about a certain mindset.
Or to paraphrase Ryan if you've got a porn star as a wife, would you make her spend most of her time keeping the house tidy or would you make use of her more obvious talents as much as possible?
as I've said better I think the time to 'truly' judge the attacking players is when we have a manager that plays a more attacking brand of football. look at the difference in maxi in the past two gives when we've had more possession.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42561.msg1210645#msg1210645 date=1288779034]
I still rate Magic.
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I've never quite understood why so many posters on here so happily and frequently are having a go at him. Yes he's got his obvious flaws but he's still one of few top-class players in the team. On his day he's one of the top 5 attacking RBs in the world.
With regards to him beeing tried futher forward, no harm done trying it out in a few games I do however believe that when he's on form (and the team are as a whole) he's better utilized in the right-back position where he'll get more room to bomb forward.
I still rate Magic.
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I've never quite understood why so many posters on here so happily and frequently are having a go at him. Yes he's got his obvious flaws but he's still one of few top-class players in the team. On his day he's one of the top 5 attacking RBs in the world.
With regards to him beeing tried futher forward, no harm done trying it out in a few games I do however believe that when he's on form (and the team are as a whole) he's better utilized in the right-back position where he'll get more room to bomb forward.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42561.msg1210645#msg1210645 date=1288779034]
I still rate Magic.
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I've never quite understood why so many posters on here so happily and frequently are having a go at him. Yes he's got his obvious flaws but he's still one of few top-class players in the team. On his day he's one of the top 5 attacking RBs in the world.
With regards to him beeing tried futher forward, no harm done trying it out in a few games I do however believe that when he's on form (and the team are as a whole) he's better utilized in the right-back position where he'll get more room to bomb forward.
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I disagree with the definition of top class then! Oh and he is injured quite a lot for that matter.... when he is on form? like when?
I suppose people would be less likely to have a pop at him if he had cost what he's worth as opposed to 17M and the expectation that brings with it.
Utterly Rafas fault.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42561.msg1210645#msg1210645 date=1288779034]
I still rate Magic.
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I've never quite understood why so many posters on here so happily and frequently are having a go at him. Yes he's got his obvious flaws but he's still one of few top-class players in the team. On his day he's one of the top 5 attacking RBs in the world.
With regards to him beeing tried futher forward, no harm done trying it out in a few games I do however believe that when he's on form (and the team are as a whole) he's better utilized in the right-back position where he'll get more room to bomb forward.
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I disagree with the definition of top class then! Oh and he is injured quite a lot for that matter.... when he is on form? like when?
I suppose people would be less likely to have a pop at him if he had cost what he's worth as opposed to 17M and the expectation that brings with it.
Utterly Rafas fault.
NOt really, though.
The idea wasn't bad.
We did need a RB since Aurelio was leaving/had left; though whether or not Johnson's impending arrival had anything to do with that isnt clear (since he did want to go home as well).
The timing certainly was though, when we were shit in practically every other attacking position.
The idea wasn't bad.
We did need a RB since Aurelio was leaving/had left; though whether or not Johnson's impending arrival had anything to do with that isnt clear (since he did want to go home as well).
The timing certainly was though, when we were shit in practically every other attacking position.
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=42561.msg1210650#msg1210650 date=1288779557]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42561.msg1210645#msg1210645 date=1288779034]
I still rate Magic.
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I've never quite understood why so many posters on here so happily and frequently are having a go at him. Yes he's got his obvious flaws but he's still one of few top-class players in the team. On his day he's one of the top 5 attacking RBs in the world.
With regards to him beeing tried futher forward, no harm done trying it out in a few games I do however believe that when he's on form (and the team are as a whole) he's better utilized in the right-back position where he'll get more room to bomb forward.
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I disagree with the definition of top class then! Oh and he is injured quite a lot for that matter.... when he is on form? like when?
I suppose people would be less likely to have a pop at him if he had cost what he's worth as opposed to 17M and the expectation that brings with it.
Utterly Rafas fault.
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If you want the best players in their respective positions they'll always come rather expensive. Johnson for all his injuries and flaws has by all means been a good buy opposed to soooo many other medicore signings over the years. I'll never understand the criticism of this signing.
We need players like him (injury-free of course), Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Agger, Cole and Kuyt if we are to progress. Players from more or less the top-shelf and sometimes you've got to splash the cash to get your hands on them.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42561.msg1210645#msg1210645 date=1288779034]
I still rate Magic.
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I've never quite understood why so many posters on here so happily and frequently are having a go at him. Yes he's got his obvious flaws but he's still one of few top-class players in the team. On his day he's one of the top 5 attacking RBs in the world.
With regards to him beeing tried futher forward, no harm done trying it out in a few games I do however believe that when he's on form (and the team are as a whole) he's better utilized in the right-back position where he'll get more room to bomb forward.
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I disagree with the definition of top class then! Oh and he is injured quite a lot for that matter.... when he is on form? like when?
I suppose people would be less likely to have a pop at him if he had cost what he's worth as opposed to 17M and the expectation that brings with it.
Utterly Rafas fault.
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If you want the best players in their respective positions they'll always come rather expensive. Johnson for all his injuries and flaws has by all means been a good buy opposed to soooo many other medicore signings over the years. I'll never understand the criticism of this signing.
We need players like him (injury-free of course), Torres, Gerrard, Reina, Agger, Cole and Kuyt if we are to progress. Players from more or less the top-shelf and sometimes you've got to splash the cash to get your hands on them.
If we didn't pay 17 million for him, we would have probably had to write off 9 million.
Operational contract is considered a higher priority than bank debts, so we may have gotten it back in the portsmouth liquidation process. But i wouldn't blame the board for panicking and trying to buy a Portsmouth player to avoid that risk. Considering the players Portsmouth had on their rooster, i think we did fairly well to get Johnson. 13 million or so would have been better....but we ended up overpaying, and to pin that as one of the main reasons for our failures is a bit wierd.
Lets try him out in both positions and use him in the position where he is most effective. I think we would have already done this, had we a more reliable RB back up.
I have no idea, how he would go as a winger. He seems to have most of the talent that is required for the position.
Operational contract is considered a higher priority than bank debts, so we may have gotten it back in the portsmouth liquidation process. But i wouldn't blame the board for panicking and trying to buy a Portsmouth player to avoid that risk. Considering the players Portsmouth had on their rooster, i think we did fairly well to get Johnson. 13 million or so would have been better....but we ended up overpaying, and to pin that as one of the main reasons for our failures is a bit wierd.
Lets try him out in both positions and use him in the position where he is most effective. I think we would have already done this, had we a more reliable RB back up.
I have no idea, how he would go as a winger. He seems to have most of the talent that is required for the position.
The thing about Bale is hes up and down that line with the lung power of a long distance runner. He seems like a worthy successor to Giggs in the Welsh side, I just hope he isnt a Man U fan.
Not as good as Giggs at 21. Different types of player I suppose, Giggs was obviously more about skill and flair.
Id like to see Glenn pushed forward, hes pretty tricky.
Not as good as Giggs at 21. Different types of player I suppose, Giggs was obviously more about skill and flair.
Id like to see Glenn pushed forward, hes pretty tricky.
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42561.msg1210697#msg1210697 date=1288785353]
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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Bunny we've looked more defensively solid against Blackurn and Bolton.
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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Bunny we've looked more defensively solid against Blackurn and Bolton.
It'll be tough for him - when a defence starts to function as ours belatedly has in the last two games, you need a very good reason to change it.
If Carra could impart just 30% of his nous and grit to Johnson we would have a hell of a player on our hands, but he's a liability in that position at the moment.
I wouldn't mind playing him right wing at the moment with Maxi on the left, Lucas/Mereiles int he middle and Gerrard/Torres upfront.
Luke
If Carra could impart just 30% of his nous and grit to Johnson we would have a hell of a player on our hands, but he's a liability in that position at the moment.
I wouldn't mind playing him right wing at the moment with Maxi on the left, Lucas/Mereiles int he middle and Gerrard/Torres upfront.
Luke
I think this notion of looking at Bale as a full back needs to be dropped, quickly. He's clearly more suited to being a left winger. There's a reason as someone has states 'Arry preffered Assou-Ekotto to him at left back, and they never won a game while Bale played there. He's a fully fledged left winger now. As for GJ, I'm not sure he'd have the same impact as Bale has been having the last six-eight months, but its got to be worth a try surely?
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Johnson was delivering performances as good as Bales when he first arrived.
He's a quality player and he'll come good again.
He's a quality player and he'll come good again.
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42561.msg1210697#msg1210697 date=1288785353]
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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Bunny we've looked more defensively solid against Blackurn and Bolton.
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Yeah and we were rock solid against Blackpool!
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42561.msg1210697#msg1210697 date=1288785353]
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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Bunny we've looked more defensively solid against Blackurn and Bolton.
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Yeah and we were rock solid against Blackpool!
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42561.msg1210697#msg1210697 date=1288785353]
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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Bunny we've looked more defensively solid against Blackurn and Bolton.
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Having conceded four in two home games against Sunderland and Blackpool.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42561.msg1210697#msg1210697 date=1288785353]
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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Bunny we've looked more defensively solid against Blackurn and Bolton.
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Having conceded four in two home games against Sunderland and Blackpool.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=42561.msg1210697#msg1210697 date=1288785353]
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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We have played better as a team, I seriously doubt that Carra, with his tired old legs is an improvement on him?
One Johnson is better in the attacking sence, he's faster bombs up and down all 90 mins and actually scores goals.
Second Carra hoofs the ball more and that usually just brings pressure straight back on us.
Carra's better in Center and Johno's better on the right.
Maybe Johno should just hoof it a bit more?
I certainly think it's worth trying. We've looked more defensively solid since Magic got injured, and we desperately need some pace and skill in wide positions, so it's a fairly obvious move. He'll never be as good as Bale, but he could be useful at RW at least until we sign a proper winger.
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We have played better as a team, I seriously doubt that Carra, with his tired old legs is an improvement on him?
One Johnson is better in the attacking sence, he's faster bombs up and down all 90 mins and actually scores goals.
Second Carra hoofs the ball more and that usually just brings pressure straight back on us.
Carra's better in Center and Johno's better on the right.
Maybe Johno should just hoof it a bit more?
Bolton attacked down the right vs Konchesky almost every time, they hardly even bothered trying it on with Carra.
When they did it didnt come to much.
With Johnson as right back we are weaker defensively, of that there can be no doubt.
Even with his 'tired old legs' Carra is still our best defender by some distance.
However, if Johnson can get his act together it would definitely be interesting to see a pairing of him and Carra on the right.
When they did it didnt come to much.
With Johnson as right back we are weaker defensively, of that there can be no doubt.
Even with his 'tired old legs' Carra is still our best defender by some distance.
However, if Johnson can get his act together it would definitely be interesting to see a pairing of him and Carra on the right.
Did you watch the match? Did you see the bit where Carra had the ball and pushed it forward and couldn't get to it before a Bolton player ran in and took it away from him?
I LOVE Carra, to me he is the heart and soul of the Club, but he is too old to be on the Right and expected to run up and down the wing!
In CD he can preserve his energy and do what he does best, stopping attacks and organizing the defence.
I think its CRIMINAL that Kelly has been overlooked for RB while Johnson has been injured, what the fuck must the lad be thinking seeing Carra preferred for him??? ( in that position)
I LOVE Carra, to me he is the heart and soul of the Club, but he is too old to be on the Right and expected to run up and down the wing!
In CD he can preserve his energy and do what he does best, stopping attacks and organizing the defence.
I think its CRIMINAL that Kelly has been overlooked for RB while Johnson has been injured, what the fuck must the lad be thinking seeing Carra preferred for him??? ( in that position)
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I think its CRIMINAL that Kelly has been overlooked for RB while Johnson has been injured, what the fuck must the lad be thinking seeing Carra preferred for him??? ( in that position)
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It really not a bad decision at all.
Roy would have never risked playing inexperienced youngsters, when his job was on the line.
I think its CRIMINAL that Kelly has been overlooked for RB while Johnson has been injured, what the fuck must the lad be thinking seeing Carra preferred for him??? ( in that position)
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It really not a bad decision at all.
Roy would have never risked playing inexperienced youngsters, when his job was on the line.
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Maybe Johno should just hoof it a bit more?
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Congratulations on missing the point by a fucking MILE again.
Whether Carra is better in the longterm is neither here nor there, we needed to get back to basics and become a unit at the back again, and we've done that. While we're clearly struggling to score goals, it's been paramount that we tighten up at the back because it's clear in our current form that wins are going to be marginal. Johnson needs easing back in the side, we're struggling on the flanks and he has all the qualities to be a threat there. It's a no brainer, at least in the short term.
Maybe Johno should just hoof it a bit more?
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Congratulations on missing the point by a fucking MILE again.
Whether Carra is better in the longterm is neither here nor there, we needed to get back to basics and become a unit at the back again, and we've done that. While we're clearly struggling to score goals, it's been paramount that we tighten up at the back because it's clear in our current form that wins are going to be marginal. Johnson needs easing back in the side, we're struggling on the flanks and he has all the qualities to be a threat there. It's a no brainer, at least in the short term.
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Is Kelly fit though?
He was playing before he picked up a knock or something.
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He played against Napoli.
Is Kelly fit though?
He was playing before he picked up a knock or something.
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He played against Napoli.
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Maybe Johno should just hoof it a bit more?
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Congratulations on missing the point by a fucking MILE again.
Whether Carra is better in the longterm is neither here nor there, we needed to get back to basics and become a unit at the back again, and we've done that. While we're clearly struggling to score goals, it's been paramount that we tighten up at the back because it's clear in our current form that wins are going to be marginal. Johnson needs easing back in the side, we're struggling on the flanks and he has all the qualities to be a threat there. It's a no brainer, at least in the short term.
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Oh its another nice post from Mark 1975 what suprise 🙂
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Maybe Johno should just hoof it a bit more?
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Congratulations on missing the point by a fucking MILE again.
Whether Carra is better in the longterm is neither here nor there, we needed to get back to basics and become a unit at the back again, and we've done that. While we're clearly struggling to score goals, it's been paramount that we tighten up at the back because it's clear in our current form that wins are going to be marginal. Johnson needs easing back in the side, we're struggling on the flanks and he has all the qualities to be a threat there. It's a no brainer, at least in the short term.
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Oh its another nice post from Mark 1975 what suprise 🙂
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