All this topic is doing is making me remember horribly shit players like Damien Plessis and now I'm in a bad mood. Thanks for nothing guys.
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There is no re-writing history whatsoever , I don't know why you would make such an accusation , it's my opinion, and one that I stand by. You give me Litmanen a player that failed to live up to the billing spectacularly, and by all accounts was a big piss-head, not the ideal example. Rafas path is littered with people that he has fucked over , I will give you in return Xabi Alonso, GED managed to con Leeds out of 9m pounds for Robbie Fowler, a player he had dragged back from the edge of an abyss. I would say that was clever rather than manipulative, Didi is entitled to his opinion as am I, oh and you.
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Vlad, we made the CL year after year and were a force to be reckoned with. Under Houllier, we definitely improved and went a level higher culminating in 2001. But we weren't a regular qualifier for the CL, or half as feared in Europe as we were under Rafa. We were clearly back in the European elite. I'm not sure how you can argue against this - maybe domestically, they were closer to a par? Is that what you mean?
Well the things is certain people seriously dislike Rafa, even hate him, so it's not really a rational debate. I suppose what annoys me most is why that same treatment never seems to get meted out to other, inferior, ex-managers as well. I think the answer is probably that people really resent that some fans love him, and so they take it out on him.
Yeah but Vlad is one of those that has a more balanced view of Rafa, usually, which is why I was trying to understand.
As for the man management games, Houllier was pretty ruthless as well. Time helps us forget those things I guess. The improvement under Rafa has that if a player was a bad purchase, he was gone quickly. Ged would try to make it work, somehow.
We were officially ranked no.1 in Europe under Rafa.
Still, Rafa is equal Ged...
I didn't mean to suggest you were deliberately falsifying anything, Vlad, but I don't think your opinion has a sound basis. You declare without any evidence to back it up that GH was "clearly the brighter of the two" (and BTW "clearly" comes across as presenting hard fact, not opinion). You say Litmanen "failed to live up to the billing" but I never, ever saw any evidence for that either. What I remember is a player who improved us every single time he played, who went on to play Champions League football successfully for Ajax after leaving LFC and whose departure has never been properly explained. If GH thought Robbie had outlasted his usefulness he could simply have sold him, instead of making public statements undermining him and getting Thommo to ride him especially hard in training (e.g.that incident where Thommo did so to such an extent that Robbie fired a shot straight at him and was torn off a strip for it). I'm not saying Rafa wasn't a manipulator, because he was and is, but the idea that GH didn't do the same doesn't stand up IMHO.
Yeah, but that was by TribalFootball (kidding).
You kids are going too deep.
They were both better than competent but not brilliant. They were both almost good enough but not quite. That's why we got divorced, twice. They sucked the shaft, sometimes they even looked us right in the eye as they licked our glans - and they let us come all over their tits. But ultimately didn't lick the balls enough or shove enough fingers up the arse. They didn't get a six inch three speed vibrating dildo and ream us to number 19.
They both failed us.
They were both better than competent but not brilliant. They were both almost good enough but not quite. That's why we got divorced, twice. They sucked the shaft, sometimes they even looked us right in the eye as they licked our glans - and they let us come all over their tits. But ultimately didn't lick the balls enough or shove enough fingers up the arse. They didn't get a six inch three speed vibrating dildo and ream us to number 19.
They both failed us.
Not IMO. I think he's one of the least balanced.
We might not have got no.19 but we got no.5. It's a pretty big deal.
Really? I seem to remember Benitez "forgetting" to put a defensive midfielder on the then best player in Europe in Istanbul, even at 3-0 down he was forced into putting Hamann on because of Finnan's injury and Gerrard dropping to right wing back. So if we're talking about naive decisions bordering on egotistical blind spots, that's one right there.
Difference in level? In the league they were more or less at the same level, in the domestic cups they were as indifferent as each other and in Europe they both won important trophies in games that could really have gone either way.
People are rewriting history all over the place in this thread.
If this topic was about making sense no one would have posted since Sunday.
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I think that's bollocks, isn't it? Where are you getting that from?
Correct he was never forced to put hamann on. Could mind as well have been Josemi.
Hamann was coming on anyway. Djimi was supposed to come off but Finnan did instead as he was injured. Gerrard went to right back once we were level at 3-3.
No one will ever know what truly happened - it's either one side (he put Hamman on to neutralize Kaka) or the other (he was forced into the move by Finnan's injury as he wanted to bring off Djimi, who made that goal line clearance)
I don't think it's even a matter of doubt. He wanted to go to a back three including Finnan, with Hamann sitting, but instead had to keep Traore on instead of Finnan. I've never seen anyone bu you and Makr suggest otherwise.
First of all, I don't bring it up (but many people have talked about it). In fact, it's discussed in this book in the last chapter (and I've basically paraphrased it):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/aug/14/red-men-liverpool-football-club-john-williams
I thought you were far better on this subject when you assessed Rafa's fuck ups ... but it seems if ANYONE brings up anything that you feel insults your God, you get all hissy pissy.
The logic is astounding here. How can Benitez possibly be forced to bring a DM in order to replace a RB?
Especially with Josemi on the bench?
Read the book I linked above and send him a postcard. You guys are like two teenagers arguing if Thatcher's dick is really bigger than Major's.
Yeah, I like Vlad, and in most things he is balanced, but he has a flea in his pants when it comes to Rafa.
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