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Benitez: no one has asked me to stay at Liverpool

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By the way, we didn't just lose Alonso, we lost Arbeloa and Hyypia too.

Sometimes I wonder if it wasn't just the footballing abilities of those fellows that we missed this season but their leadership role (not Arbeloa obv.). I'm not sure you can strip away two of the only grown-ups in the squad and expect the group to prosper. I don't think Benitez thinks like that though.
 
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when he took over this club, the team was still capable of taking the field with an auroa of superiority and a confidence.
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Bollocks it was. We were fucking shite when he took over. We're shite now as well mind.
 
I'd bet it is something he would consider. There was a time when it seemed we only bought captains.

With Sami and Xabi, his hand was somewhat forced. He couldn't rightfully guarantee Sami a place. Sure he may have tried selling Alonso the season before, but Gareth Barry is a grown up too.
 
What gene said.

Spine of a good team; shit squad

Gerrard, Torres, Carra, Masher, Reina, Agger, Magic.
There's the spine.

Decent squad players: Kuyt, Skittles, Casper

Not good enough/ can't be relied upon often enough;

Lucarse, Insua, Purple Shithouse, Riera, Eggnog, Babel, Aurelio, Zorba, Degen, El Zhar et al

Now, when you look at the top list and consider the age and/or uncertainty of them staying, it's pretty obvious we're fucked unless we get new ownwers, lots of money and a new manager

It's a shite state of affairs
 
Tragically, given his predilection for outlandish and wholly incorrect statements, when Oncey says 'Hamann Is Our Pep' I have no idea if he is joking or not
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1098501#msg1098501 date=1272911597]
Tragically, given his predilection for outlandish and wholly incorrect statements, when Oncey says 'Hamann Is Our Pep' I have no idea if he is joking or not
[/quote]I am joking you fucking mong.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1098503#msg1098503 date=1272911776]
Tragic, isn't it?
[/quote]What is? If you mean everything then yes.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1098500#msg1098500 date=1272911474]
What gene said.

Spine of a good team; shit squad

Gerrard, Torres, Carra, Masher, Reina, Agger, Magic.
There's the spine.

Decent squad players: Kuyt, Skittles, Casper

Not good enough/ can't be relied upon often enough;

Lucarse, Insua, Purple Shithouse, Riera, Eggnog, Babel, Aurelio, Zorba, Degen, El Zhar et al

Now, when you look at the top list and consider the age and/or uncertainty of them staying, it's pretty obvious we're fucked unless we get new ownwers, lots of money and a new manager

It's a shite state of affairs
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Lucas, Riera and Degen are fine as squad players. Dirk, Aquilani, Å krtel and Maxi are good enough for the starting 11.

We need a top quality striker, left back, and if we're lucky enough to have funds, a left sided attacking midfielder.

That may not be a squad to dominate the league for years, but all it needs is 9 or 10 players to have a good season and fewer injury problems.

That's good enough to win the title.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1098500#msg1098500 date=1272911474]
What gene said.

Spine of a good team; shit squad

Gerrard, Torres, Carra, Masher, Reina, Agger, Magic.
There's the spine.

Decent squad players: Kuyt, Skittles, Casper

Not good enough/ can't be relied upon often enough;

Lucarse, Insua, Purple Shithouse, Riera, Eggnog, Babel, Aurelio, Zorba, Degen, El Zhar et al

Now, when you look at the top list and consider the age and/or uncertainty of them staying, it's pretty obvious we're fucked unless we get new ownwers, lots of money and a new manager

It's a shite state of affairs
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Lucas, Riera and Degen are fine as squad players. Dirk, Aquilani, Å krtel and Maxi are good enough for the starting 11.

We need a top quality striker, left back, and if we're lucky enough to have funds, a left sided attacking midfielder.

That may not be a squad to dominate the league for years, but all it needs is 9 or 10 players to have a good season and fewer injury problems.

That's good enough to win the title.
[/quote]I agree.
 
They're England batsmen, gene, we're playing the Windies at the moment.

Not a big rum fan as a rule, but I may give that "El Dorado" a try on your recommendation.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1098500#msg1098500 date=1272911474]
What gene said.

Spine of a good team; shit squad

Gerrard, Torres, Carra, Masher, Reina, Agger, Magic.
There's the spine.

Decent squad players: Kuyt, Skittles, Casper

Not good enough/ can't be relied upon often enough;

Lucarse, Insua, Purple Shithouse, Riera, Eggnog, Babel, Aurelio, Zorba, Degen, El Zhar et al

Now, when you look at the top list and consider the age and/or uncertainty of them staying, it's pretty obvious we're fucked unless we get new ownwers, lots of money and a new manager

It's a shite state of affairs
[/quote]

Lucas, Riera and Degen are fine as squad players. Dirk, Aquilani, Å krtel and Maxi are good enough for the starting 11.

We need a top quality striker, left back, and if we're lucky enough to have funds, a left sided attacking midfielder.

That may not be a squad to dominate the league for years, but all it needs is 9 or 10 players to have a good season and fewer injury problems.

That's good enough to win the title.
[/quote]I agree.
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With Rafa in charge.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1098500#msg1098500 date=1272911474]
What gene said.

Spine of a good team; shit squad

Gerrard, Torres, Carra, Masher, Reina, Agger, Magic.
There's the spine.

Decent squad players: Kuyt, Skittles, Casper

Not good enough/ can't be relied upon often enough;

Lucarse, Insua, Purple Shithouse, Riera, Eggnog, Babel, Aurelio, Zorba, Degen, El Zhar et al

Now, when you look at the top list and consider the age and/or uncertainty of them staying, it's pretty obvious we're fucked unless we get new ownwers, lots of money and a new manager

It's a shite state of affairs
[/quote]

Lucas, Riera and Degen are fine as squad players. Dirk, Aquilani, Å krtel and Maxi are good enough for the starting 11.

We need a top quality striker, left back, and if we're lucky enough to have funds, a left sided attacking midfielder.

That may not be a squad to dominate the league for years, but all it needs is 9 or 10 players to have a good season and fewer injury problems.

That's good enough to win the title.
[/quote]I agree.
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So do I mostly, the exception being Degen. Magic regularly gets stick on here for his defending (much of it exaggerated in my view) but Degen's is way worse. Even so, Kelly looks decent at this stage so I'm not worried about RB.
 
Degen can't be considered a decent squad player under Rafa. He would rather play Montse at RB than Degen. He's been one of our worst free signings.

We either entrust Kelly with a proper squad role next season or we need to go shopping for another RB.
 
I don't rate Degen that highly, I just think that we don't need to buy anyone for the right hand side if he stays in the squad. I'd rather have Kelly at RB, and Yossi at RW should we need them. Having Degen around as 3rd/4th choice in those positions is good enough until we can do more.
 
Oncey said we'd win the title at the start of last season, too. With Benitez. And that shit squad.

I forgot Maxi, but the Purple Shithouse has been either injured, very good, or shit.

He can't be relied upon. I mean, yeah, if Lucarse is the only other option, play him.

But we need a new CM

And LB
And striker
And attacking midfielder
And wide player
 
Having said that it would be nice to be certain that we won't need to call on Carra or Mascher at right back for a whole season.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1098500#msg1098500 date=1272911474]
What gene said.

Spine of a good team; shit squad

Gerrard, Torres, Carra, Masher, Reina, Agger, Magic.
There's the spine.

Decent squad players: Kuyt, Skittles, Casper

Not good enough/ can't be relied upon often enough;

Lucarse, Insua, Purple Shithouse, Riera, Eggnog, Babel, Aurelio, Zorba, Degen, El Zhar et al

Now, when you look at the top list and consider the age and/or uncertainty of them staying, it's pretty obvious we're fucked unless we get new ownwers, lots of money and a new manager

It's a shite state of affairs
[/quote]

Lucas, Riera and Degen are fine as squad players. Dirk, Aquilani, Å krtel and Maxi are good enough for the starting 11.

We need a top quality striker, left back, and if we're lucky enough to have funds, a left sided attacking midfielder.

That may not be a squad to dominate the league for years, but all it needs is 9 or 10 players to have a good season and fewer injury problems.

That's good enough to win the title.
[/quote]I agree.
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With Rafa in charge.
[/quote]Youve gone too far.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1098530#msg1098530 date=1272914222]
Oncey said we'd win the title at the start of last season, too. With Benitez. And that shit squad.
[/quote]give it a rest for fuck sake. I thought we would, so did Alan Hansen, Phil Mcnulty, Terry Venebles, James Richardson and a bunch of other pundits, plus millions of fans worldwide.
You're like dreambeliever without the charm.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39989.msg1098523#msg1098523 date=1272913554]
They're England batsmen, gene, we're playing the Windies at the moment.

Not a big rum fan as a rule, but I may give that "El Dorado" a try on your recommendation.


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Actually one of them (Morgan), is Irish but he plays for England
 
I never got the reason for optimism. This last summer was a huge advertisement to the whole football world that our club was weak and we couldn't move forward. Rafa of course stemmed the bleeding fantastically well.
 
Rafael Benítez has called on officials at the club to "answer a lot of questions" about the future direction things will take.

The Spaniard has a meeting scheduled this week with the chairman, Martin Broughton, in which he expects to be given detailed information about what plans are being put in place for next season and beyond.

Broughton, also the chairman of British Airways, has been brought in by the co-owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett to oversee the sale of Liverpool but it has taken him nearly three weeks to schedule a meeting with Benítez.

That has not pleased the manager, who would like to stay at Anfield despite strong interest from Juventus.

Benítez, 14 months into a five-year contract, wants an enhanced transfer budget in order to bring in the five players he feels they need to get back into Champions League contention, never mind a title challenge.

"We have plenty of time in this season, I still have four years of my contract left and I still I have to talk to the new chairman," said the Spaniard. "It [the meeting] is to talk about the future. Everyone is asking about my future but the future of the club is more important.

"Still I do not know what is going on in the club. I don't know if we will have any investors so there are a lot of questions – not just, for me, one question. For me the club has to answer a lot of questions. It is very clear: we have to wait and see what is going on. The future is maybe tomorrow or maybe one week; at this moment it is something we don't know."

Benítez refused to clarify his future plans after Sunday's 2-0 home defeat to Chelsea, which ended their hopes of Champions League football for next season. But he expressed his frustration at the campaign which appears to be going on around him concerning his future. He is unhappy about the way Juventus have publicly targeted him but also hinted there were may be factors at work within Liverpool to try to force his hand.

"If I have a conversation with him [Broughton] we will try to keep it private," said Benítez in his now-familiar cryptic style. "At this point we have to concentrate on next Sunday's game at Hull. There are too many rumours in the press and I know some people are just trying to create a mess.

"To be fair we were trying our best last week, signing [Charlton's two-footed midfielder] Jonjo Shelvey because still we have the same mentality – to improve the club and do the best for the club. I try to do my best every day."

Benítez has received the backing of Yossi Benayoun, although the Israel international added to the uncertainty by stating he did not know whether he would be around for the start of next season. "When you are at a big club and things go bad, it is normal for the pressure to be put on the manager," said Benayoun, who was linked with a move away in January. "Rafa has done a great job and we are trying not to look at what has happened in the past. Rafa has proven himself, he is a big manager. The people above will make the right decisions."

Benayoun admitted the squad are disappointed with the way the season had turned out, with early exits from the Champions League and FA Cup compounded by a failure to finish fourth. But he stressed the off-field situation needs to be sorted sooner rather than later.

"We have tried to do our best but it hasn't been good enough," said the midfielder, 30 on Wednesday and who has yet to decide his future. "Liverpool are a great club and I enjoy it but a lot of things are happening in this moment and we will have to see it. A club like Liverpool must do everything they can to keep players like Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres but a lot of things can change and in a few weeks we will know better."
 
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39989.msg1098523#msg1098523 date=1272913554]
They're England batsmen, gene, we're playing the Windies at the moment.

Not a big rum fan as a rule, but I may give that "El Dorado" a try on your recommendation.


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Actually one of them (Morgan), is Irish but he plays for England
[/quote]I think that's why he said England batsmen and not English. Rain stops play.
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39989.msg1098460#msg1098460 date=1272904495]
when he took over this club, the team was still capable of taking the field with an auroa of superiority and a confidence. something the club took decades to obtain. even under houllier when we lost ot barnsely it was a complete shock and if you replayed the game 9 more times you felt it wouldn't happen again. arsenal have that same auroa, and likewise the games they lose are all shocks that couldn't happen more than 1 in a 10 times. benitez has managed to destroy that confidence and superiority. he's made us ordinary

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That is absolute crap, dantes. We lost LOADS of games to smaller teams under Houllier. Our aura of invincibility vanished at the end of that 0-2 Arsenal game. We've never been quite the same since.

And no one is shocked when Arsenal lose to the likes of Bolton or Blackburn because they do it almost every fucking season.
 
What questions can really be answered?

"What will the situation be in the future, when new owners come in, how will it affect my job"
"We don't know"
"I've had to go to Juve, my answers haven't been satisfactorily answered, promises have been broken"
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39989.msg1098460#msg1098460 date=1272904495]
when he took over this club, the team was still capable of taking the field with an auroa of superiority and a confidence. something the club took decades to obtain. even under houllier when we lost ot barnsely it was a complete shock and if you replayed the game 9 more times you felt it wouldn't happen again. arsenal have that same auroa, and likewise the games they lose are all shocks that couldn't happen more than 1 in a 10 times. benitez has managed to destroy that confidence and superiority. he's made us ordinary

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That is absolute crap, dantes. We lost LOADS of games to smaller teams under Houllier. Our aura of invincibility vanished at the end of that 0-2 Arsenal game. We've never been quite the same since.

And no one is shocked when Arsenal lose to the likes of Bolton or Blackburn because they do it almost every fucking season.

[/quote]Did you read the second part though? Brilliant.
 
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