I think that was said in reply 2 Roland 😉
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Benitez: no one has asked me to stay at Liverpool
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From The Times - May 2
"RAFAEL BENITEZ has prepared the way for an exit to Juventus by telling Liverpool fans why he feels he can no longer work at Anfield. He suggests that broken promises over the budget and alterations to the club’s power structure have made his job impossible.
“I decided to sign an extension because the squad was good and the money could be there,†Benitez said. “At the end, things changed. We’ve had a bad season and hopefully things will be different in the future, but at the moment I can’t talk about the future because I don’t know what’s going on.
“It’s not a question of money,†he added, referring to his Pounds 5m-a-year salary, which Juventus are willing to match. “I said no to massive offers. I decided to stay under some conditions which have changed.â€
Benitez was speaking ahead of this afternoon’s crunch game against Chelsea, which could be his final game in charge at Anfield. Juventus are favourites but AC Milan could join the race for his services.
Liverpool’s faint hopes of finishing fourth in the Premier League and qualifying for next season’s Champions League depend on them winning both their remaining games, and Tottenham and Manchester City not winning both of theirs.
Similar issues six years ago were what caused Benitez to quit Valencia for Anfield. “I left Valencia because the conditions changed,†he recalled.
He has flirted with other clubs several times since joining Liverpool in 2004 but never gone so far down the road towards joining one. But his superiors at Anfield are understood to have grown tired of his continual complaints and stories linking him with other jobs.
His complaints are about transfer spending — despite paying Pounds 40m for Glen Johnson, Alberto Aquilani and Sotirios Kyrgiakos last summer — and the command chain at Anfield. When he signed his deal last year, its terms effectively made Benitez Liverpool’s biggest power-broker after the club’s owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, but he has seen his influence diluted by the arrivals of chief executive Christian Purslow and Martin Broughton, appointed chairman a fortnight ago.
Roy Hodgson and Martin O’Neill would be targets to succeed him."
"RAFAEL BENITEZ has prepared the way for an exit to Juventus by telling Liverpool fans why he feels he can no longer work at Anfield. He suggests that broken promises over the budget and alterations to the club’s power structure have made his job impossible.
“I decided to sign an extension because the squad was good and the money could be there,†Benitez said. “At the end, things changed. We’ve had a bad season and hopefully things will be different in the future, but at the moment I can’t talk about the future because I don’t know what’s going on.
“It’s not a question of money,†he added, referring to his Pounds 5m-a-year salary, which Juventus are willing to match. “I said no to massive offers. I decided to stay under some conditions which have changed.â€
Benitez was speaking ahead of this afternoon’s crunch game against Chelsea, which could be his final game in charge at Anfield. Juventus are favourites but AC Milan could join the race for his services.
Liverpool’s faint hopes of finishing fourth in the Premier League and qualifying for next season’s Champions League depend on them winning both their remaining games, and Tottenham and Manchester City not winning both of theirs.
Similar issues six years ago were what caused Benitez to quit Valencia for Anfield. “I left Valencia because the conditions changed,†he recalled.
He has flirted with other clubs several times since joining Liverpool in 2004 but never gone so far down the road towards joining one. But his superiors at Anfield are understood to have grown tired of his continual complaints and stories linking him with other jobs.
His complaints are about transfer spending — despite paying Pounds 40m for Glen Johnson, Alberto Aquilani and Sotirios Kyrgiakos last summer — and the command chain at Anfield. When he signed his deal last year, its terms effectively made Benitez Liverpool’s biggest power-broker after the club’s owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, but he has seen his influence diluted by the arrivals of chief executive Christian Purslow and Martin Broughton, appointed chairman a fortnight ago.
Roy Hodgson and Martin O’Neill would be targets to succeed him."
The conditions changed - as they did at almost every other club in English football - because the credit crisis changed the economics of football.
I give up. With Benitez, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault.
Goodbye Rafa.
I give up. With Benitez, it's ALWAYS someone else's fault.
Goodbye Rafa.
I'm maybe warming to Woy as a weplacement by the way. He's the new Bobby Robson.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39989.msg1097430#msg1097430 date=1272786448]
I'm maybe warming to Woy as a weplacement by the way. He's the new Bobby Robson.
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That belongs in the British Manager thread. Make your case.
I'm maybe warming to Woy as a weplacement by the way. He's the new Bobby Robson.
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That belongs in the British Manager thread. Make your case.
Where are all the divvys who won't have Mourinho because he's too gobby and disloyal?
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39989.msg1097430#msg1097430 date=1272786448]
I'm maybe warming to Woy as a weplacement by the way. He's the new Bobby Robson.
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If we aren't to get hugely wealthy investors who can fund a stadium AND a big squad overhaul then I think Woy could be a good medium term appointment, perhaps to see us through the new stadium build whilst getting the best out of what we've got; probably with us kicking around in the Europa League spots. He's dignified and I can't see him whinging about everything nor entering into, and losing, mind games with Fergie either.
I'm maybe warming to Woy as a weplacement by the way. He's the new Bobby Robson.
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If we aren't to get hugely wealthy investors who can fund a stadium AND a big squad overhaul then I think Woy could be a good medium term appointment, perhaps to see us through the new stadium build whilst getting the best out of what we've got; probably with us kicking around in the Europa League spots. He's dignified and I can't see him whinging about everything nor entering into, and losing, mind games with Fergie either.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39989.msg1097430#msg1097430 date=1272786448]
I'm maybe warming to Woy as a weplacement by the way. He's the new Bobby Robson.
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And that makes us the new Newcastle?
I'm maybe warming to Woy as a weplacement by the way. He's the new Bobby Robson.
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And that makes us the new Newcastle?
Fucking Roy Hodgson?
You cunting morons
You cunting morons
Slap em down centurweon.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39989.msg1097585#msg1097585 date=1272797677]
Fucking Roy Hodgson?
You cunting morons
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It's now "Hodgy" apparently
Fucking Roy Hodgson?
You cunting morons
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It's now "Hodgy" apparently
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39989.msg1097595#msg1097595 date=1272798581]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]I disagree.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]I disagree.
Capello has already said England will be his last Job, and I reckonhe will stick to that. Only one man for the job and thats Maureen.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39989.msg1097597#msg1097597 date=1272798675]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39989.msg1097595#msg1097595 date=1272798581]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]I disagree.
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I don't.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39989.msg1097595#msg1097595 date=1272798581]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]I disagree.
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I don't.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39989.msg1097595#msg1097595 date=1272798581]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]
I was a bit sad to see GH leave, Im happy we're getting rid of the machiavellian spaniard.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]
I was a bit sad to see GH leave, Im happy we're getting rid of the machiavellian spaniard.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097605#msg1097605 date=1272799164]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39989.msg1097595#msg1097595 date=1272798581]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]
I was a bit sad to see GH leave, Im happy we're getting rid of the machiavellian spaniard.
[/quote]
That sort of sums you up though LeChac. No nonense, honest to goodness, never say die attitude & always defending the same position. The wrong one obviously, but your ability to defend it is as admirable as it is laughable.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39989.msg1097595#msg1097595 date=1272798581]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]
I was a bit sad to see GH leave, Im happy we're getting rid of the machiavellian spaniard.
[/quote]
That sort of sums you up though LeChac. No nonense, honest to goodness, never say die attitude & always defending the same position. The wrong one obviously, but your ability to defend it is as admirable as it is laughable.
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[quote author=vantage link=topic=39989.msg1097611#msg1097611 date=1272799950]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097605#msg1097605 date=1272799164]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39989.msg1097595#msg1097595 date=1272798581]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]
I was a bit sad to see GH leave, Im happy we're getting rid of the machiavellian spaniard.
[/quote]
That sort of sums you up though LeChac. No nonense, honest to goodness, never say die attitude & always defending the same position. The wrong one obviously, but your ability to defend it is as admirable as it is laughable.
[/quote]
Laughable is the word I would use if Rafa is still our manager next season.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097605#msg1097605 date=1272799164]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=39989.msg1097595#msg1097595 date=1272798581]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39989.msg1097593#msg1097593 date=1272798388]
Good riddance.
[/quote]
I think most fans are fed up with Rafa and want something to give, but this attitude and that of the likes of Terrier is just ridiculous and not really befitting of a reds fan.
Yeah Rafa, fuck off and take Torres, Mascherano, Skrtel, Agger, Johnson, Reina (etc) and the Champions League with you.
[/quote]
I was a bit sad to see GH leave, Im happy we're getting rid of the machiavellian spaniard.
[/quote]
That sort of sums you up though LeChac. No nonense, honest to goodness, never say die attitude & always defending the same position. The wrong one obviously, but your ability to defend it is as admirable as it is laughable.
[/quote]
Laughable is the word I would use if Rafa is still our manager next season.
Latest word from my Juve-supporting (and home game-attending) relatives in Malta is that Rafa's move to Juve is looking likelier by the day. As it happens they're not that enamoured of the idea, but they're now pretty convinced it's happening.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39989.msg1095598#msg1095598 date=1272546592]
I use trophies to highlight my point Neil for two reasons.
1)They are the sole measure of a football teams success. Not fancy football, not goals scored, not net spends, not top players signed NO Trophies and trophies alone. Who finished 3rd in the league in 1974? Betcha don't know. Who won the FA cup? I know do you?
2)We exist to win trophies.
That is all.
By your definition if we finish back in the top 4 next year that's a success. Then 3rd the next year Bingo, then 3rd but with more points Blam, then 2nd..... Blip oh were in 6th again nevermind it's a blip.
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Is Wenger a bad manager?
He hasn't won a Trophy for years, 5 years to be exact compared to our 4.
He also finished below us in 3 of those 5 years.
Rafa got us to 6 semi finals, getting through to 4 finals from them, and winning 2 of those 4 finals.
That blows Wenger out of the water too.
(*Blows him out the water in the last 5 years of course)
I use trophies to highlight my point Neil for two reasons.
1)They are the sole measure of a football teams success. Not fancy football, not goals scored, not net spends, not top players signed NO Trophies and trophies alone. Who finished 3rd in the league in 1974? Betcha don't know. Who won the FA cup? I know do you?
2)We exist to win trophies.
That is all.
By your definition if we finish back in the top 4 next year that's a success. Then 3rd the next year Bingo, then 3rd but with more points Blam, then 2nd..... Blip oh were in 6th again nevermind it's a blip.
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Is Wenger a bad manager?
He hasn't won a Trophy for years, 5 years to be exact compared to our 4.
He also finished below us in 3 of those 5 years.
Rafa got us to 6 semi finals, getting through to 4 finals from them, and winning 2 of those 4 finals.
That blows Wenger out of the water too.
(*Blows him out the water in the last 5 years of course)
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[quote author=Asbo link=topic=39989.msg1098396#msg1098396 date=1272894563]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39989.msg1095598#msg1095598 date=1272546592]
I use trophies to highlight my point Neil for two reasons.
1)They are the sole measure of a football teams success. Not fancy football, not goals scored, not net spends, not top players signed NO Trophies and trophies alone. Who finished 3rd in the league in 1974? Betcha don't know. Who won the FA cup? I know do you?
2)We exist to win trophies.
That is all.
By your definition if we finish back in the top 4 next year that's a success. Then 3rd the next year Bingo, then 3rd but with more points Blam, then 2nd..... Blip oh were in 6th again nevermind it's a blip.
[/quote]
Is Wenger a bad manager?
He hasn't won a Trophy for years, 5 years to be exact compared to our 4.
He also finished below us in 3 of those 5 years.
Rafa got us to 6 semi finals, getting through to 4 finals from them, and winning 2 of those 4 finals.
That blows Wenger out of the water too.
(*Blows him out the water in the last 5 years of course)
[/quote] Wenger has spent far less money. He's also won the league more than once.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39989.msg1095598#msg1095598 date=1272546592]
I use trophies to highlight my point Neil for two reasons.
1)They are the sole measure of a football teams success. Not fancy football, not goals scored, not net spends, not top players signed NO Trophies and trophies alone. Who finished 3rd in the league in 1974? Betcha don't know. Who won the FA cup? I know do you?
2)We exist to win trophies.
That is all.
By your definition if we finish back in the top 4 next year that's a success. Then 3rd the next year Bingo, then 3rd but with more points Blam, then 2nd..... Blip oh were in 6th again nevermind it's a blip.
[/quote]
Is Wenger a bad manager?
He hasn't won a Trophy for years, 5 years to be exact compared to our 4.
He also finished below us in 3 of those 5 years.
Rafa got us to 6 semi finals, getting through to 4 finals from them, and winning 2 of those 4 finals.
That blows Wenger out of the water too.
(*Blows him out the water in the last 5 years of course)
[/quote] Wenger has spent far less money. He's also won the league more than once.
Not in the last half a decade though.
Lets just look at this since Rafa's been here, Wenger has dropped below Rafa since he came to England in the success stakes, thats a fact, no other way to look at it, read the honors lists.
He also has finaished below Rafa in 3 of the last 5 seasons, again a fact.
I can't understand why people want to drop a level by replacing Rafa with an inferior manager.
I would take Wenger because he's been there and done it, and plays lovely football although its never going to happen, but any manager outside the top 3 is not as good.
If Rafa goes we need better, no one in England is better.
Maurinho won't come unless he has millions and millions to spend.
I don't see at this time who could be better.
Kenny has done it, but it was a different time, and could he do it again in this day and age? I'd love him too of course, but would hate to see him getting the flak Rafa is getting, if he failed to deliver.
Lets just look at this since Rafa's been here, Wenger has dropped below Rafa since he came to England in the success stakes, thats a fact, no other way to look at it, read the honors lists.
He also has finaished below Rafa in 3 of the last 5 seasons, again a fact.
I can't understand why people want to drop a level by replacing Rafa with an inferior manager.
I would take Wenger because he's been there and done it, and plays lovely football although its never going to happen, but any manager outside the top 3 is not as good.
If Rafa goes we need better, no one in England is better.
Maurinho won't come unless he has millions and millions to spend.
I don't see at this time who could be better.
Kenny has done it, but it was a different time, and could he do it again in this day and age? I'd love him too of course, but would hate to see him getting the flak Rafa is getting, if he failed to deliver.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=39989.msg1098402#msg1098402 date=1272895484]
Not in the last half a decade though.
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Wenger has been operating on a net loss for about six years now. Rafa's team fell to pieces after one year without spending.
Not in the last half a decade though.
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Wenger has been operating on a net loss for about six years now. Rafa's team fell to pieces after one year without spending.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39989.msg1098407#msg1098407 date=1272895975]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=39989.msg1098402#msg1098402 date=1272895484]
Not in the last half a decade though.
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Wenger has been operating on a net loss for about six years now. Rafa's team fell to pieces after one year without spending.
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So not spending is the excuse for Wenger over 6 years, but not for Rafa?
I thought you said its Trophys, that count?
You can't have it both ways!
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=39989.msg1098402#msg1098402 date=1272895484]
Not in the last half a decade though.
[/quote]
Wenger has been operating on a net loss for about six years now. Rafa's team fell to pieces after one year without spending.
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So not spending is the excuse for Wenger over 6 years, but not for Rafa?
I thought you said its Trophys, that count?
You can't have it both ways!
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