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Arsenal imo are a genuine title contender.

Their squad depth has impressed me and their star players are only getting better.

Massively impressed with Wilshere I must say. Looks like a world class player in spe and probably their most important player alongside Ozil and Giroud.

It would be criminal imo if we were to play a 5-3-2 again as we'd then let Arsenal boss the midfield completely and then there's no chance we can keep them at bay for 90 mins.

Our best shout imo is four at the back and a 5-man midfield with Suarez in behind Sturridge. Lucas, Gerrard in central with Henderson and Coutinho on the flanks.
 
Arsenal imo are a genuine title contender.

Their squad depth has impressed me and their star players are only getting better.

Massively impressed with Wilshere I must say. Looks like a world class player in spe and probably their most important player alongside Ozil and Giroud.

It would be criminal imo if we were to play a 5-3-2 again as we'd then let Arsenal boss the midfield completely and then there's no chance we can keep them at bay for 90 mins.

Our best shout imo is four at the back and a 5-man midfield with Suarez in behind Sturridge. Lucas, Gerrard in central with Henderson and Coutinho on the flanks.

I don't get this line of thinking, 3-5-2 gives us more people in the middle, not less.
 
[article]http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/brendan-rodgers/bilanzdetail/trainer_1366_11.html[/article]

Interesting to note that Brodgers favours a 4-3-3 in all his teams against the Arse.
Our last match against them would be an excellent case study. The tactics and formation were spot-on. Our only downfall was complacency after going 2-0 up. Also, we didn't have Coutinho then as the 'hole' player. Coutinho will be absolutely crucial for this game.

Info:
Record of Brendan Rodgers as manager against Arsenal FC
As manager of ... Matches W D L Goals ø Goals PPM
Swansea City 2 1 0 1 3 : 3 1,50 : 1,50 1,50
Liverpool FC 2 0 1 1 2 : 4 1,00 : 2,00 0,50
Gesamtbilanz: 4 1 1 2 5 : 7 1,25 : 1,75 1,00

All matches of Brendan Rodgers as manager against Arsenal FC

Date Competition Season venue As manager of ... Formation Result
Wed, 30.01.2013 Premier League 12/13 A
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Liverpool FC 4-3-3 def. 2:2
Sun, 02.09.2012 Premier League 12/13 H
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Liverpool FC 4-3-3 def. 0:2
Sun, 15.01.2012 Premier League 11/12 H
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Swansea City 4-3-3 def. 3:2
Sat, 10.09.2011 Premier League 11/12 A
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Swansea City 4-3-3 def. 1:0
 
How to Beat Arsene Wenger's Arsenal: The Tactics Lesson
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(World Football Tactics Lead Writer) on October 28, 2013

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Welcome to the first edition of a new series here at B/R, analysing and formulating a plan to beat some of the top teams in European football.
This week's focus falls on Arsenal as they gear up to face Chelsea, Liverpool, Borussia Dortmund, Manchester United, Southampton and Marseille in their next six fixtures.
Please note, this isn't a piece dedicated to ripping the Gunners apart, and you shouldn't take it as such. It's a tactical debate.

Transitioning to a 4-2-3-1
Arsene Wenger has never been a great proponent of tactical drilling and blueprint planning.
If you go back to the days of "The Invincibles" you may notice a relative lack of shape or formation—not in a bad way!—with the instructions instead to go out, express yourself and dominate the opposition.
The free-flowing movement of Thierry Henry, Robert Pires and company was an incredible watch, but as football became more systematic, Wenger felt he had no option but to install a loose basic shape.
The loss of key defensive figures somewhat enforced this decision, too.
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Desperately missed: Alex Song
They operated in a 4-3-3 for years, and only recently have they made the full-time switch to the 4-2-3-1. Between systems Wenger utilised an odd hybrid of both, resulting in the likes of Tomas Rosicky and Santi Cazorla playing varied, mobile roles.
The real reason for transitioning to the in-vogue 4-2-3-1 is unclear, but an educated guess would suggest the loss of Alex Song was a major factor. The Cameroon international developed into a prime holding midfielder over the course of the 2011-12 season, but defected to Barcelona in the summer for £15 million.
With Cesc Fabregas leaving the year before, much of Wenger's midfield spine—and vertical running—had been ripped out. Time for change.

The Mikel Arteta Issue
The switch to the 4-2-3-1 saw Arteta become the primary holding midfielder, and despite playing as a No. 10 for almost all of his career up until that point, he appeared the safest option on the roster to replace Song.
Last season, Arsenal were very susceptible to the counterattack, and that's largely due to Arteta's lack of defensive instinct.
His statistics look lovely, he's a fine passer and he plays the role of metronome perfectly, but you can't stick a 30-yard-old in front of the defence for the first time in his career and expect him to turn into Xabi Alonso. Andrea Pirlo started as a No. 10 at Internazionale but was moved into a regista role at a very early stage of his career.

The Mathieu Flamini Fix
Flamini arrived this summer amid little fanfare, signing for free following a release from Milan at the end of the 2012-13 season.
Despite the skepticism surrounding his return, the Frenchman proceeded to shore up this problematic midfield area immediately. He combines power, drive, nous and great leadership skills to snuff out most counterattacks before they begin and has the aggression to intimidate skillful No. 10s.
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Flamini & Arteta in a holding pivot
Flamini's debut marked the start of an amazing run: Beating Tottenham Hotspur at home, the Gunners won seven of their next eight games (drawing at West Brom) with him in the side, then lost the first game he missed in Borussia Dortmund at home.
Coincidence? No, not even a little bit.
He re-entered the starting XI for the tie against Crystal Palace—the league's worst side—but exited after eight minutes with a groin injury. Goal.com believe he's set to miss two weeks, and to make matters worse, Arteta received a straight red card in the same game.

Injury Equals Opportunity (for the Opposition)
Flamini's injury is hard-hitting, Arteta's suspension rubs salt in the wounds.
Wenger will be forced to address the next several games in a busy, tough schedule using a combination of Jack Wilshere and Aaron Ramsey in holding midfield.
The two paired up well against Fenerbahce, were untroubled by a poor Fulham side but looked lost against an aggressive, high-press Aston Villa midfield.
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Carragher maps out Arsenal's "midfield pivot" vs. Villa
Neither are natural holding players—even less natural than Arteta—and represent a prime area for targeting if you're an opposing manager entering the Emirates Stadium.
Villa cleaved through the Gunners' midfield as if it wasn't there on the opening day of the Premier League season, but had Flamini been present, the visitors likely would have lost the game.
Liverpool pose a particular threat here, as Daniel Sturridge, Philippe Coutinho and Luis Suarez can run at the holding pair, panic them and counter with efficiency. Whatever Gabby Agbonlahor and Andi Weimann can do, "SAS" can do 10 times better.

(Lack of) Width
Injuries are also playing a part in the wide areas, as with Lukas Podolski and Theo Walcott out over the past month or so, Wenger has opted to squeeze more central players in and play a narrow 4-2-3-1.
Against Sunderland on Mesut Ozil's debut, Walcott was the only man able to provide any sort of width—even then he was cutting inside regularly.
Wenger likes to dominate the centre of the park with five bodies, but the converse effect of such narrow play is that his full-backs often square up one vs. one (or even two vs. one) with opposing wingers and full-backs.
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Arsenal dominate the midfield with five vs. two
Kieran Gibbs and Bacary Sagna have put together fine seasons so far, but it's all the more impressive when you consider the fact they've had very little help when tracking back.
Kevin Grosskreutz exposed Gibbs' naivety in the UEFA Champions League, and Arsenal paid the price, both for over-committing and showing to be a little lazy (or perhaps exhausted) in following deep runners.
Wingers are taught to work in tandem with their full-backs. Mesut Ozil, a No. 10, never was, Santi Cazorla tries hard and Tomas Rosicky shows wild inconsistencies in this area.

Conclusion
If you're facing Arsenal without Flamini you're a lucky devil, as with him in the side and the confidence he supplies, the Gunners are capable of winning any game.
Without him, and now without Arteta too, Wenger will run with a soft underbelly for the game against Chelsea. Upon the Spaniard's return, they'll still be without a natural holder for several more.
Arsenal could well field a midfield five of Wilshere, Ramsey, Ozil, Rosicky and Cazorla in their next game. Attacking-wise, that's some sight, but it leaves the flanks under a lot of scrutiny, as not one represents a "true" wide man.
If the Gunners start dropping points over the next three or four games, this is how it will be done, and the natural reaction will surely be to purchase Flamini cover in January before anything else.
Perhaps Thomas Vermaelen should re-enter the fold in holding midfield?

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1827687-how-to-beat-arsene-wengers-arsenal-the-tactics-lesson
This article sums up my exact sentiments and pre-match thoughts.
We can beat this team, especially with Flamini out.
Come on !!!
 
Hey if you want another passenger on the pitch be my guest.

Go on, I'll take the bait, despite it being cast from an obvious neon green wum fishing line.

If you rewatch the WBA match & watch Henderson again, instead of simply watching clips of Coutinho on YouTube, you'll realise why, far from being a passenger, he was integral to the entire team performance.
 
Lucas maybe.

Fuck me. Again, stop being a wum & pay attention to the last match he played (usually the best way of judging a player imo) where he was a fucking boss, instead of perpetuating the myth that he offers nothing.
If Henderson, Gerrard & Lucas all play as well as last weekend then we get at least 1 point (bar any mindless defensive errors).

If Suarez or Sturridge perform that should become 3 points.
 
Go on, I'll take the bait, despite it being cast from an obvious neon green wum fishing line.

If you rewatch the WBA match & watch Henderson again, instead of simply watching clips of Coutinho on YouTube, you'll realise why, far from being a passenger, he was integral to the entire team performance.
I've seen it two times, Henderson wasn't bad he actually played well. I have nothing against his work in defence, he just doesn't contribute enough in attack. People complain about Lucas passing sideways all the time. Henderson is much worse.
If Coutinho wasn't available I'd definitely play Hendo.
BTW I actually thought Lucas and Gerrard were more integral against wba. Especially Lucas. It was like night and day compared to our performance against Newcastle.
 
Fuck me. Again, stop being a wum & pay attention to the last match he played (usually the best way of judging a player imo) where he was a fucking boss, instead of perpetuating the myth that he offers nothing.
If Henderson, Gerrard & Lucas all play as well as last weekend then we get at least 1 point (bar any mindless defensive errors).

If Suarez or Sturridge perform that should become 3 points.
Yes but I want us to put pressure on Arsenal. Coutinho will give us another attacking option in midfield.
A team like Arsenal can isolate Suarez and Sturridge. What do we do then, like always hope from some individual skill from either Suarez or Sturridge.
 
I've seen it two times, Henderson wasn't bad he actually played well. I have nothing against his work in defence, he just doesn't contribute enough in attack. People complain about Lucas passing sideways all the time. Henderson is much worse.
If Coutinho wasn't available I'd definitely play Hendo.
BTW I actually thought Lucas and Gerrard were more integral against wba. Especially Lucas. It was like night and day compared to our performance against Newcastle.

Defence?! He was winning the ball behind Suarez & Sturridge & breaking up play there.

And the reason Lucas & Gerrard played the best they have all season is because he was doing that.
 
Henderson deserves to keep his place at the minute, but if Coutinho comes back and plays like has done in the past, I can't see Henderson holding down a place in the team without him showing a bit more going forward. It's the only position currently open, as I can't see him overtaking Gerrard or Lucas.
 
Defence?! He was winning the ball behind Suarez & Sturridge & breaking up play there.

And the reason Lucas & Gerrard played the best they have all season is because he was doing that.
Well I meant his defensive work all over the pitch. Anyway, he doesn't do enough in attack. That's my opinion. If Coutinho gets back into the team he has to go. Or we go back to playing 4-3-3 and everyone's happy.
 
Well I meant his defensive work all over the pitch. Anyway, he doesn't do enough in attack. That's my opinion. If Coutinho gets back into the team he has to go. Or we go back to playing 4-3-3 and everyone's happy.

Apart from the big bag of CB's we have.
 
Henderson deserves to keep his place at the minute, but if Coutinho comes back and plays like has done in the past, I can't see Henderson holding down a place in the team without him showing a bit more going forward. It's the only position currently open, as I can't see him overtaking Gerrard or Lucas.

Gerrard, no. I can see him overtaking Lucas.
 
Gerrard, no. I can see him overtaking Lucas.


Maybe, I'd be surprised though. Lucas was much better in his position as Henderson than Henderson is now. Hendersons problem is that he hasn't really excelled in any of the midfield positions yet. He's not a great DM, he's not great at linking up play, he's not great at attacking. He's good at all three, but I'm not sure he'll ever be great. He'd be a much better midfielder 20 years ago, but I'm still to be convinced he'll "own" a position for us, without a big improvement in his play.
 
I agree with a fair bit what you say about Henderson individually. What I don't agree with is your comparison between him and Lucas. When I've seen Henderson play deep he's been the equal of Lucas defensively (in fact better in one respect, namely that he hasn't given as many unnecessary fouls away close to our penalty area) and, without being another Gerrard, he's managed to contribute something going forward as well, which Lucas either doesn't have in his locker or isn't capable of producing when his duties are primarily defensive.
 
Lucas had a star game against WBA. Its ridiculous to to state otherwise because of obvious bias towards the lad. Henderson is confounding the critics and improving at every turn. He only needs more consistency. We sometimes forget how young the lad is. His upward trajectory in performance and improved tactical awareness is benefiting us. Long may it continue.

Isn't it a wonderful problem for BR to have taking our strongest team to date to the Emrites? We're looking for nothing less than 3 points and I hope that the team selection shows that.
 
I can't recall anyone saying Lucas wasn't excellent against the Baggies. I'm maybe not his biggest fan but even I voted him no.2 in Morse's MOTM thread. However, we need to keep improving to establish ourselves as regular title contenders and in my view (and yours apparently) there's more to come from Henderson. I'm not convinced the same applies to Lucas.
 
Henderson looked in danger of developing shooting boots at the end of last season but his striking has been piss poor lately.

What's all this leaning back and hitting it like a fanny, twenty foot over with the ball going about 3 miles an hour? Shouldn't Rushie be telling him to the lean the fuck over it and twat the bastard with his hardest possible larrup?
 
I don't get this line of thinking, 3-5-2 gives us more people in the middle, not less.
Ha, yeah I can see that came out a bit weird.

3 CB's and 2 WBs however would in my opinion be a very risky strategy against Arsenal as we would be sitting very deep. Signs have already shown against Newcastle and WBA that we fail to hold a high line with three central defenders keeping possession.

If we do this again and whether you call it 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 or 3-2-3-2 or whatever it still doesn't change that. We'd be looking at a 60%+ possession stat to Arsenal if not more and a certain defeat unless Suarez and Sturridge scores on most chances they get again.
 
Dunno what Khl is talking about. 532 is the perfect lineup vs Arsenal
I beg to differ. I believe it would be a massive risk but we will see.

5 defenders combined with Henderson, Lucas and Gerrard will put immense pressure on us from the start as we'd struggle to maintain possession against a team as strong on the ball as Arsenal.
 
I beg to differ. I believe it would be a massive risk but we will see.

5 defenders combined with Henderson, Lucas and Gerrard will put immense pressure on us from the start as we'd struggle to maintain possession against a team as strong on the ball as Arsenal.

who said anything about Henderson?
 
We don't have another way of playing. It's working. Everyone seems to get where they're meant to be. It modifies itself fluidly, reactive to opposition threats and weaknesses and allows us to break quickly.

I'd pick the same team. I'm not convinced by cissohko but Enrique reached new heights of gash against palace.
 
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