Actually it's not because the value assigned to Sanchez would have to be agreed .. and we might say £20M, then again incentives might not be part of the release clause, in which case we just say £80m - C A S H.
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Actually it's not because the value assigned to Sanchez would have to be agreed .. and we might say £20M, then again incentives might not be part of the release clause, in which case we just say £80m - C A S H.
So all the rumours suggest he's not up for coming to us. Shouldn't be a problem for Barca as they can just give us the money some other club gives them - but who do we go for? Sanchez looked the perfect option and at a good price. Too bad.
I think this is probably right, alas. I'd venture that occasionally we sign players from slightly better clubs than you named (Torres, Suarez, at a push Coutinho & Sturridge) but they're on the way up and the cards have to fall right with no one else wanting them at that time.
BUT.....I'll be seriously pissed off if we sell Suarez to Barcelona and they sell Sanchez to Arsenal. Surely, if Sanchez doesn't want to come to us, we can only agree to Suarez going there if Sanchez doesn't come to England and strengthen a rival. I'd love to fuck those wankers over after last summer.
Fuck this incentives shite - and it's our evaluation of Sanchez that counts - not theirs.
Right know Luis Suarez is probably the single most recognisable player in the world at this moment in time.
The bloody Wiggles are signing songs about him.
I walked in to my local comic book store, the other day, and got asked all about Suarez - I was even asked whether his teeth really were pointy like a vampire or whether it was photoshopped.
Barca will try and low ball us - and that should be treated in exactly the same way as if we offered £50m for Messi - they should be told to sharpen their pencils or go fuck themselves.
This release clause is supposed to be anywhere between £70 & £100m - so Barca can put up or shut up.
As can Suarez for that matter.
Right know Luis Suarez is probably the single most recognisable player in the world at this moment in time.
The bloody Wiggles are signing songs about him.
I walked in to my local comic book store, the other day, and got asked all about Suarez - I was even asked whether his teeth really were pointy like a vampire or whether it was photoshopped.
Barca will try and low ball us - and that should be treated in exactly the same way as if we offered £50m for Messi - they should be told to sharpen their pencils or go fuck themselves.
This release clause is supposed to be anywhere between £70 & £100m - so Barca can put up or shut up.
As can Suarez for that matter.
I think you're undervaluing Sanchez there. If Suarez is an 80m player I'm happy to agree that Sanchez is a 35-40m player.
Your last reasoning ('if they don't want him') makes no sense to me. If we're prepared to sell Suarez because of his flaws Barca could just as well argue 'we don't him' and massively undervalue Suarez.
Barca are trying to regenerate their squad with a new young manager. They're selling players to do so and for whatever reason (I think he's mistaken) Enrique is prepared to cash in on Sanchez as a high value asset (he does have Messi and Neymar as attacking wide players after all).
Of course, we'd be mad to accept anyones first offer for Suarez, but if Barca push to 40m cash + Sanchez + some incentives I'd take it.
The best attacking line up ever.
I wouldn't.
yeah only two of them were selfish.
We need PSG to come into the frame.
Sanchez must be included in any deal with Barca involving Suarez i dont know if im int the minorty but i think reaching top 4 again without Luis is 50 /50 at best
You aren't alone, we are fucked without him in my opinion, we have to hope that Spurs don't strengthen/have a transition period, whilst also hoping that Uniteds big money spending backfires. We cant make it without Suarez in my opinion, Sanchez would give me a little more hope.
Sorry but that is massively under-valuing the quality of our other players and ignoring the fact that a) we did more than just fine in the opening 6 matches without him last season and b) he looked extremely tired and his scoring rate was much lower towards the end of the season and c) we have a much higher win % without him than with him ! I am not for a moment ignoring how brilliant he is, he is a genius, but we could well evolve into a much more powerful team without him as we strengthen in depth and in positions in which we are currently weak.
People are saying that without Luis we are substantially weaker, without considering that in matches last season when we needed a winner / equaliser we had no-one to bring on that was of equal quality to those 11 on the pitch. When we had injuries we struggled to cover the squad was indeed that weak.
If we add players of the quality of (don't want to say it will actually be all of these players but I have faith they will be high quality players no matter who we bring in) : Markovic, Sanchez, Lovren, Moreno, Lallana, Lambert, Can and maybe another striker ... then we have a much stronger team and a much stronger squad too.
The one 'fly in the ointment' (strange to consider the CL that) is the Champions' League and the toll it may take on our squad. Hopefully we will have strengthened enough to cover the extra games we have to play without adding too much to the games per player average of last season.
I'm not underrating them, sure we start strong, but we couldn't have sustained that without Luis, he practically carried us through November - January. We can never replace Luis with someone better or equal, and unfortunately you can't field two players in his place, we'll be significantly weaker without him.
Doesn't matter who we bring in we'll definitely miss him in the team. He's most probably the the 3rd best player in the world and his determination, energy and the way he never gives defenders a rest is amazing. I'd definitely rather keep him than have the money. So if we're gonna sell him it best be close to a world record fee otherwise we should tell clubs to fuck off.
I don't think of it as replacing him - I think of it as an overall strengthening of the team and not being reliant on one player (which to be fair I don't think we were too much last season either) leading to greater consistency.
We don't need to replace all of his goals (31) with one striker, we can accomplish much the same thing by being stronger all over the pitch and a stronger team/squad be more effective in matches in which he would not be playing/effective due to say injury/ban/tiredness/off day. So we are picking up points where last season we struggled and maybe dropping a few here and there where his genius would have been the difference.
e.g. We scored 101 PL goals (Suarez 31) and conceded 50 last season. An overall strengthening of the team (and substitutions) may mean that not only do we strengthen the defence but our retention and our defending in both the midfield and attacking thirds. So lets say we buy Sanchez (for example) and he scores 15 PL goals but we have further contributions from Lallana (10) and Lambert (8), Markovic (5) and Lovren (3) and yet our defence now concedes an average in line with other Top 4/5 teams, around 37-40 goals, we may even have gained considerably as far as goal difference is concerned and that would relate to gaining points where we otherwise might not. Bear in mind Luis didn't score against any of City, Chelsea or Arsenal in the PL last season.
Personally I think it's too simplistic to think of it in those terms. See my reply to Mystic above. Untied sold Ronaldo but it didn't stop them winning the title in 3 of the next 4 seasons - based on the strength of the team/squad rather than an individual.
Agree with everything about Luis' strengths (except though that I believe strengthening the team/squad can mitigate or totally eliminate his loss) but your last sentence speaks as if we have a choice/say in the matter. If Barca meet his buyout clause then we don't.
Por comparison, scum had 3 titles in a row had load of world class players like tevez and rooney still in their attack.
And we would have Sturridge, Sterling, Sanchez, Markovic, Lallana ... and so on (or their equivalents). So no not a poor comparison at all. They maintained their level and we can ours. I've not said anywhere that we are at that level but I am saying that selling Suarez is not a reason to think we won't be in contention again next season. Some are saying we are not even Top 4 material without him - complete hyperbole.
Not on same level, totally underestimating the ability Luis has and the impact he has on our season.
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