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Are the people saying Utd don't really need Mata also the same people who said Arsenal don't really need Ozil / Utd don't really need van Persie?


Probably. Someone like him wouldn't be their biggest priority, but he will definitely make them a better team. If they get him, they'll be serious challengers for fourth, I don't think they would be without him.
 
I don't think the fact that Mata doesn't figure in Mourinho's plans is as much of a mystery as some are saying. Mourinho wants his midfielders to put in a real shift and cover every blade of grass twice in a game. Mata's a tremendous footballer but he doesn't play in that "perpetual motion" style.

Mata will undoubtedly improve ManUre, which is never good news, but they have more problems than he alone will be able to resolve. I'm not happy about this move but IMO it remains to be seen how much difference it'll end up making in the greater scheme of things.
 
I really didn't want this to happen. He's an excellent player. One of the best in the league and possibly going to Man United. FFS.

He could win a few games for them on his own with a goal or a pass.
 
I don't think the fact that Mata doesn't figure in Mourinho's plans is as much of a mystery as some are saying. Mourinho wants his midfielders to put in a real shift and cover every blade of grass twice in a game. Mata's a tremendous footballer but he doesn't play in that "perpetual motion" style.

Mata will undoubtedly improve ManUre, which is never good news, but they have more problems than he alone will be able to resolve. I'm not happy about this move but IMO it remains to be seen how much difference it'll end up making in the greater scheme of things.

It might paper over the cracks until the summer. If it carries them into 4th they will be happy.
 
For sure Mata signing for United will make the 6 point gap seem a little smaller, we HAVE to beat them at Anfield, if we do, I think the gap might be a little too large for them to traverse.
 
A 6 point difference is not difficult to overcome over 15 games. I'd hate it to turn into a dog fight.

4th would actually be a very successful first season for Moyes given the circumstances.
 
So Moyes will have spent 70mill on his first 2 players signed then between him and fellatio.
I think this is a massive cockup by chelski, mata is an excellent player. I don't think him fitting into the style has got anything to do with it at all, hazard/willian/oscar do fuck all tracking back either. I think Mourinho doesn't like him, god knows why.
He was chelski's player of the year 2 seasons running.

I hope moyes ruins him, but I fear he wont.

Rat face neville thinks mata isn't the best player for the scum's system and it wont work, and he seems to know what he's talking about. It'd be lovely if fellatio and mata flop.
 
Mourinho actually seems a poor judge of player, he lets a lot of good players go. He has an idea of how he wants to play, and won't accommodate anyone that doesn't exactly fit the system. He wouldn't do very well without a large amount of cash.
 
hazard/willian/oscar do fuck tracking back either. I think Mourinho doesn't like him, god knows why.
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Hazard is becoming far better at tracking back, and Willian is excellent at it already. Oscar - from what I've read - is just a better player than Mata in what Mourinho wants from the position. Let's be honest - with his track record, no one is going to argue with him.
 
Sky Sports News ‏@SkySportsNews 36m Sky Sources: Manchester UTD make £40m bid for Juan Mata through a third party #SSN
 
I'm hoping Mourinho is fucking them about out of spite, waste most of their attentions on Mata then pull the plug so they don't sign anyone of note
 
Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle Exciting to think how many goals Mata could score in the Championship
 
Guillem Balague ‏@GuillemBalague 30m All agreed. Juan Mata will be a Manchester United player. 45 million euros. All will be announced very soon
 
After reading what the secret footballer had written about him, I'm not worried.
 
I assume that's United done now? Or how does this Financial Fair play thing work?
 
what was that?

Here's the article:

[article=http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/13268/does-juan-really-mata-to-mourinho/]Does Juan really Mata to Mourinho?

Juan Mata hasn’t had much love, it seems, since the “Special One” returned to Stamford Bridge and, with Manchester United struggling to buy players, Mata’s Chelsea obituary has, at one point or another, been written by every football blogger, website and newspaper journalist in the country.

I used to think that finding oneself out of favour at a football club was the end of the world but these days, and with football the way it is right now, the new-found capitalist in me tends to think of it as more of an opportunity, especially for a player operating at the level that Mata is. He is well regarded by many a manager and appears to be humble with it; he’d have no trouble finding a home with another top club if that is his wish.

But for many of us, losing your footing at a club can be significant, both financially and in terms of the next move. If a player has no “brand” to speak of and he isn’t playing, then it can sometimes be difficult to persuade another club to take you.

It has happened to me only once and at a club that I played for relatively recently. It was particularly bizarre because the decision had been forced on to the manager by the fans … or so he claimed. I remember when he gave me the news in his office; the conversation was brief and went something like this:

Manager: “Look, I just can’t play you. The fans hate you and it kills the atmosphere when you have the ball or when I bring you on. I can’t have that for the team.”

TSF: “Fine. Can I stay at home then on matchdays?”

Manager: “No. You need to be in training with the rest of the squad and in on matchdays.”

TSF: “So you want me to come in every day and give you my all in training, even though we know I’m never going to play here again? And you want me to come and watch the game, too? Why?”

Manager: “Look, don’t be like that. It’s my decision, OK?”

And that was followed by a loud-door slam and plenty of cursing to boot. But things change quickly in football and, after an absence of half-a-dozen games or so, I found myself included in the squad again. In my first match back, I came off the bench while we were losing 2-1 and, if I may say, turned the game on its head and we won 3-2.

In the changing-room after the match, the manager stepped forward. “Fucking look at TSF,” he said. “He’s out the team for a few weeks and he comes on and gives it his all. He’s ready when we needed him. You young ones especially can learn something from that.”

And that was when our captain stood up and said: “Gaffer, he should never have been out of the team in the first place. It’s a fucking joke, you should be fucking apologising to us.” And that was when all hell broke loose. A little while after that, our manager left the club. It is amazing what a manager can lose the dressing-room over.


At the top of the week, when I decided to write about Mata, I phoned my friend at Chelsea, who told me the following when I asked why the Spaniard wasn’t featuring. “He’s been injured, mate,” he explained. “He’s just coming back and we’ve got other fully fit players who can play who are just as good.”

And by the end of the week, Jose Mourinho said: “Everything is clear between me and the player. We have no problems. I think he’s a very important player for us. He wants to be a very important player for us. He wants to stay. I want him to stay, the club want him to stay.”

We all know that Mata is not a poor footballer. He may have been injured but, let’s be honest, he isn’t the high energy, powerful and direct type of player that Mourinho likes to fill his teams with. I played against him at Stamford Bridge and, to be honest, given the time and space he had with the ball at his feet, I have to say that I wasn’t knocked out by him.

Mata is a rarity where my own game is concerned. He is the type of player who I could go toe to toe with in a match and have a chance of coming out on top – if our teams were evenly matched, of course – whereas players such as Hazard, Schurrle, Oscar, Ramires and Van Ginkel would run me into the ground before showing how effective and incisive they can be with the ball.

I do remember asking him if he was able to do anything else other than pass the ball sideways? And in fairness, he gave me a little smirk
But the funny thing about that statement is that Mata would be in my team every weekend. He was integral to Chelsea’s Champions League and Europa League triumphs as well as winning the club’s player-of-the-year award in each of the last two seasons. And let’s not forget that he is a man who has won the Euros and the World Cup with Spain.

Why do I feel that way about Mata? I couldn’t tell you. It could be that the game against my team was so easy for him that he didn’t have to do anything spectacular but I do remember asking him if he was able to do anything else other than pass the ball sideways? And in fairness, he gave me a little smirk. He’d been rumbled.

But I also completely understand where Mourinho is coming from. The Portuguese has shown a ruthlessness that stems entirely from his vision of how a successful football team needs to play.

The fact that, as I type this, Chelsea have just lost the Super Cup with ten men – 5-4 on penalties after a 2-2 draw – when they really could have done with a player like Mata to come on and keep the ball. It only emphasises the Mourinho approach. He would have turned to his bench and seen Mata and then he’d have told John Terry to warm up.

A penny for the Spaniard’s thoughts at that moment.[/article]
 
I'd probably cack myself laughing if Mata says"Nah, I'm alright here".
 
cheers athens, cant say it says much though, its clear from watching him play and his phenomenal stats that he'll be enough to change games, and sort out there problems with possession
 
cheers athens, cant say it says much though, its clear from watching him play and his phenomenal stats that he'll be enough to change games, and sort out there problems with possession

Chelsea's supporting cast is still miles better than United's though even when everyone is healthy. I think it's tough to see him replicating near the type of success he had at Chelsea with what Man Yoo is currently running out on the pitch.

In fact I would go as far as to say Mata is a luxury player who should be added as a cherry on top of the ice cream sundae.
 
There's no doubt Mata is superb quality but how wil the Scum line up with him?

Tonight they're playing 4-4-2. Where would you play him to make a difference?

I'm assuming this is just cover for the loss of Rooney
 
Here's the article:

[article=http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/articles/the-secret-footballer/13268/does-juan-really-mata-to-mourinho/]Does Juan really Mata to Mourinho?

Juan Mata hasn’t had much love, it seems, since the “Special One” returned to Stamford Bridge and, with Manchester United struggling to buy players, Mata’s Chelsea obituary has, at one point or another, been written by every football blogger, website and newspaper journalist in the country.

I used to think that finding oneself out of favour at a football club was the end of the world but these days, and with football the way it is right now, the new-found capitalist in me tends to think of it as more of an opportunity, especially for a player operating at the level that Mata is. He is well regarded by many a manager and appears to be humble with it; he’d have no trouble finding a home with another top club if that is his wish.

But for many of us, losing your footing at a club can be significant, both financially and in terms of the next move. If a player has no “brand” to speak of and he isn’t playing, then it can sometimes be difficult to persuade another club to take you.

It has happened to me only once and at a club that I played for relatively recently. It was particularly bizarre because the decision had been forced on to the manager by the fans … or so he claimed. I remember when he gave me the news in his office; the conversation was brief and went something like this:

Manager: “Look, I just can’t play you. The fans hate you and it kills the atmosphere when you have the ball or when I bring you on. I can’t have that for the team.”

TSF: “Fine. Can I stay at home then on matchdays?”

Manager: “No. You need to be in training with the rest of the squad and in on matchdays.”

TSF: “So you want me to come in every day and give you my all in training, even though we know I’m never going to play here again? And you want me to come and watch the game, too? Why?”

Manager: “Look, don’t be like that. It’s my decision, OK?”

And that was followed by a loud-door slam and plenty of cursing to boot. But things change quickly in football and, after an absence of half-a-dozen games or so, I found myself included in the squad again. In my first match back, I came off the bench while we were losing 2-1 and, if I may say, turned the game on its head and we won 3-2.

In the changing-room after the match, the manager stepped forward. “Fucking look at TSF,” he said. “He’s out the team for a few weeks and he comes on and gives it his all. He’s ready when we needed him. You young ones especially can learn something from that.”

And that was when our captain stood up and said: “Gaffer, he should never have been out of the team in the first place. It’s a fucking joke, you should be fucking apologising to us.” And that was when all hell broke loose. A little while after that, our manager left the club. It is amazing what a manager can lose the dressing-room over.


At the top of the week, when I decided to write about Mata, I phoned my friend at Chelsea, who told me the following when I asked why the Spaniard wasn’t featuring. “He’s been injured, mate,” he explained. “He’s just coming back and we’ve got other fully fit players who can play who are just as good.”

And by the end of the week, Jose Mourinho said: “Everything is clear between me and the player. We have no problems. I think he’s a very important player for us. He wants to be a very important player for us. He wants to stay. I want him to stay, the club want him to stay.”

We all know that Mata is not a poor footballer. He may have been injured but, let’s be honest, he isn’t the high energy, powerful and direct type of player that Mourinho likes to fill his teams with. I played against him at Stamford Bridge and, to be honest, given the time and space he had with the ball at his feet, I have to say that I wasn’t knocked out by him.

Mata is a rarity where my own game is concerned. He is the type of player who I could go toe to toe with in a match and have a chance of coming out on top – if our teams were evenly matched, of course – whereas players such as Hazard, Schurrle, Oscar, Ramires and Van Ginkel would run me into the ground before showing how effective and incisive they can be with the ball.

I do remember asking him if he was able to do anything else other than pass the ball sideways? And in fairness, he gave me a little smirk
But the funny thing about that statement is that Mata would be in my team every weekend. He was integral to Chelsea’s Champions League and Europa League triumphs as well as winning the club’s player-of-the-year award in each of the last two seasons. And let’s not forget that he is a man who has won the Euros and the World Cup with Spain.

Why do I feel that way about Mata? I couldn’t tell you. It could be that the game against my team was so easy for him that he didn’t have to do anything spectacular but I do remember asking him if he was able to do anything else other than pass the ball sideways? And in fairness, he gave me a little smirk. He’d been rumbled.

But I also completely understand where Mourinho is coming from. The Portuguese has shown a ruthlessness that stems entirely from his vision of how a successful football team needs to play.

The fact that, as I type this, Chelsea have just lost the Super Cup with ten men – 5-4 on penalties after a 2-2 draw – when they really could have done with a player like Mata to come on and keep the ball. It only emphasises the Mourinho approach. He would have turned to his bench and seen Mata and then he’d have told John Terry to warm up.

A penny for the Spaniard’s thoughts at that moment.[/article]
That looks like it's been written by some Barton like idiot. 'Can you do anything other than pass the ball sideways?' He had 20 goals and 28 assists last season, you clueless cunt. 12 goals and 20 assists the season previous. He's probably the most complete attacking player in the league after Suarez, and here's Mourinho not playing him because he thinks Oscar and Willian, of all people, are more industrious than him.

He's just being a typical manager - a cunt who freezes out a player for no particular reason.
 
There's no doubt Mata is superb quality but how wil the Scum line up with him?

Tonight they're playing 4-4-2. Where would you play him to make a difference?

I'm assuming this is just cover for the loss of Rooney
4-4-2 is so 1970s
 
There's no doubt Mata is superb quality but how wil the Scum line up with him?

Tonight they're playing 4-4-2. Where would you play him to make a difference?

I'm assuming this is just cover for the loss of Rooney

This is exactly what neville said, he wont fit the system. To get the best out of him he needs to be playing in the middle, off the striker, in the no.10. And that's rooney's job at the moment.
He's not a wide left winger full of pace.
 
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