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spider-Neil

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should the law be changed?

I've just seen the company challenge and he gets the ball but nani has to jump out of the way or he would have been fucked.
company has no control as he is off the ground two footed.

do you think the rule as it stands (two footed = straight red) is correct?
 
Nani did not complain on iota about the tackle. That should tell us all something.

We just need common sense and consistency. This is where the ref, before making such a game changing decision, should be able to see it with the 4th official. We all see it, so do the media, but the referee never has to justify his decision!

Common sense must prevail.
 
Indeed common sense must prevail but something should be done that discourages players from using the two footed tackle. It can end horribly for the player on the end of it.
 
1 of 2 things has to happen.

1) We revert to football of 10 years ago and EVERYONE mans the fuck up

or

2) Video refereeing is introduced to ensure that perfectly fair challenges do not go punished.
 
Its annoying as fuck the lack of consistency from refs. In that same match Sir Ryan Giggs tackled from behind and failed to get a yellow card, the letter of the law requires a booking for tackles from behind which result in a foul.
 
It's hard to man the fuck up with a broken leg! I've never broken my leg but from what i hear it's not an injury you can run off after a few minutes.
 
It's intentional fouls that annoy me more. "taking a yellow for the team" etc. it's cheating. It doesn't have to be a hard tackle.

I remember John terry taking someone out intentionally and pointing out it was ok because he wasn't the last man. Ridiculous.
 
I don't see why players go in with two feet when they know the rules. But I agree there should be a bit of leeway given.
 
I do think two footed challenges with the player leaving the floor should be straight red, even if there is no contact. the player has no control and if he connects its career threatening
 
On Soccer Saturday they were discussing Joey Barton's sending off last week for headbutting. They reached the conclusion that as the ref hadnt seen it and the linesman didnt flag, it had to be the fourth official that told the ref. I agree with Spion. The ref should be able to review it with the fourth official. This inconsistancy is spoiling matches.
 
It shouldnt be a straight red every time a player uses two feet.

kompany's was never a red for me as he got the ball with both feet and by the time he reached the ball his feet were almost touching the ground. Nani got there after he did so he didnt have to ride the tackle but ride the ball. I thought it was a perfect example of a slide tackle.

Spearings was similar but crucially he was much higher in the air when he reached the ball and won less of it. Ref's should be able to use discretion.
 
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It shouldnt be a straight red every time a player uses two feet.

kompany's was never a red for me as he got the ball with both feet and by the time he reached the ball his feet were almost touching the ground. Nani got there after he did so he didnt have to ride the tackle but ride the ball. I thought it was a perfect example of a slide tackle.

Spearings was similar but crucially he was much higher in the air when he reached the ball and won less of it. Ref's should be able to use discretion.

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company only got the ball because nani jumped out of the way, if nani had stood his ground (ha ha) company would have fucked him up

city have no chance of getting that red overturned
 
It wont be overturned you're right, cos the rules are no studs up and not off the ground.

Disagree that it'd have hurt nani though, his feet were too low and he'd have been across his path, not hitting him side on.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48212.msg1460394#msg1460394 date=1326107728]
It wont be overturned you're right, cos the rules are no studs up and not off the ground.

Disagree that it'd have hurt nani though, his feet were too low and he'd have been across his path, not hitting him side on.
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when you see the tackle at normal speed it looks fine, when you see the tackle from the same view the ref saw the challenge it looks pretty bad.

also why does a footballer ever need to go in two footed? I can understand leaving the ground, or even a studs up challenge (with a trailing leg) but why do you ever need to dive in with two feet off the ground?
 
Do you not play footy Neil? You travel a lot further and quicker tackling like that and are much more likely to come away with the ball.

As far as i'm concerned that tackle was the perfect slide table.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48212.msg1460400#msg1460400 date=1326108105]
Do you not play footy Neil? You travel a lot further and quicker tackling like that and are much more likely to come away with the ball.

As far as i'm concerned that tackle was the perfect slide table.
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You're also way more likely to be sent off. It's a stupid tackle.

The perfect slide tackle is one footed.


"Bart Simpson: All right. But on my way, I'm going to be doing this...
[windmills his arms]
Bart Simpson: If you get hit, it's your own fault.
Lisa: Okay, then I'm going to start kicking air, like this...
[kicks up her foot]
Lisa: And if any part of you should fill that air...
[kicks up her other foot]
Lisa: It's *your* own fault. "
 
I played last night and as I swivelled and shot a player coming in from the side came in, foot raised, studs showing. I then kicked his foot.

If it was in the prem and I was a Utd player, he would have been sent off. But simply he was trying to block the shot and the contact was unfortunate - and painful. But a red card? Never.

Anyway, i now have a metatarsal injury.....
 
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It wont be overturned you're right, cos the rules are if you foul a Utd player its a straight red.

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I'm inclined to support the rule as it now is, but the problem is that refs don't seem to understand the simple fact that all players do have two feet, and they can't remove one before making a tackle. So refs (and many commentators) treat a one footed sliding tackle, with the other foot trailing behind, as two footed. I don't see what's wrong if you tackle a player with one foot and then your trailing foot catches them as you slide on. If that's also counted as two footed then you might as well outlaw any tackle that involves diving or sliding in at pace.
 
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that's a fucking bad challenge
 
The only one to complain was Rooney. Having said that, if thats the referee's angle of view, maybe its easier to understand the red card.
 
Its a very harsh red. Kompany wins the ball. People keep on saying that it is only because Nani jumps away, but thereis no rule saying people should allow nani to have a free path ahead of him.

Hardly a free kick.
 
That's the first time I've seen that and it has to be a red. Yes he gets the ball and doesn't harm the player, but I thought the point of giving red cards to two footed challenges is to discourage them on the whole.

Not everyone is Vincent Kompany or Nani, top players with the skills and control to pull such a tackle off perfectly or avoid one. If lunging two footed tackles become slightly acceptable then people will have broken legs because of it throughout the leagues. Playing in shitty leagues you come up against big slow centre backs all the time and a lot of them aren't as much nasty as they are clumsy and slow, imagine if those fuckers had even the slightest idea that a 2 footed tackle is alright. I'd want a suit of armour not shin guards.
 
I'll be in the minority here, but I agree with the law as it stands. You get a two footed tackle wrong, by a fraction of a second, and you could be ending a players season. Therefore removing the idea that they are acceptable in the game is fine by me.

I will concede that if a player does win the ball he shouldn't be banned for 3 matches automatically.
 
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