You're not really engaging with the subtlety of the argument.
You need to go away and think about this some more IMO. This is not something that can be analysed in terms of things like appearance numbers.
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You're not really engaging with the subtlety of the argument.
You need to go away and think about this some more IMO. This is not something that can be analysed in terms of things like appearance numbers.
Try being a bit more subtle than picking out a half arsed point in an article and proclaiming it as "confirmation" then.
You know the most disappointing thing about this thread?
There are about 4 epic, unrestrained, full-on arguments between some big posters just bubbling under the surface waiting to explode into something like World War 3.
It'll be very entertaining when it all happens.
Right now, though, it's so frustrating just waiting for it all to kick off.
There are about 4 epic, unrestrained, full-on arguments between some big posters just bubbling under the surface waiting to explode into something like World War 3.
It'll be very entertaining when it all happens.
Right now, though, it's so frustrating just waiting for it all to kick off.
It's the phoney war all over again.
I can picture the propaganda posters appearing any day now:
WHAT WERE YOU DOING, DURING THE SITZKRIEG??
I'm not taking sides, though. Well not yet, I'm going to sit over here and see who wins before joining them.
I think Peter's confusing the input from our foreign scouts vs players Rodgers, and local scouts, see every week in the domestic league.
Happens at every club.
Kind of like Dirk Kuyt (scout) vs Crouch (manager) in the Rafa era.
Happens at every club.
Kind of like Dirk Kuyt (scout) vs Crouch (manager) in the Rafa era.
I'm using tarot cards, ketamine, and when it's absolutely necessary, water boarding.
Spider was never this disproportionately rude.
I think you just excluded yourself from Pete's Xmas card list with that Rafa slur.. Lest he forgets Rafa's "throw money at 20 kids a season" policy.
You don't need me to tell you that was unnecessary & you need to pack it in.
You're hanging on to that one potential weakness of mine for dear life, aren't you? That was just a bit of exuberant language FFS. Fine, confirmation is a touch strong! But it's still likely to be true. You seem to think that the fact it's not dwelt on by Barrett means it's some sort of cipher he was trying to sneak past his readers. Isn't that a bit paranoid? Isn't this some new side of his that you've just discovered? I think you need to build a better case for him being a trouble maker than that. What other evidence do you have against him?
In any case, I could even concede that Firmino was a Rodgers signing (although I don't) and still be right that all the others I've identified as his. That's still the crux of the argument.
Only one man has this power of persuasion over him. Tony Barrett.
It seems a bit of a convenient ploy to hand pick which players you think were his, while dismissing our good players as those of the committee. Like I say, depending on what side of the fence you're on, it's selective when we don't even know the half of it. You didn't even acknowledge the quote I posted from June by Barrett, where he pretty much contradicts some of the points he made in the OP.
But loads of the signings I assign to the committee are shit and vice versa!!
The signings which are from the committee I think are pretty obvious. Whilst some of the players signed haven't worked and have been shit, see Ballotelli, Markovic, etc, I do agree with their approach. Trying to sign young stars from Europe for me is the way to go and is better route to success than what the manager is attempting. Rodgers is targeting expensive Prem Provern players which are solid but have no potential to be brilliant. This doesn't take much in the way of skill or nous and is an indication that the manager doesn't have much time to be focussing on European talent.
There is no clear direction, no clear vision. There's 2 approaches completely at odds with each other and that's why the state of the squad is an absolute shambles. We're now trying to shoehorn Can into the side in an unflavoured position. Markovic hasn't had a clear run of games in one position since he joined. The blame for this should not be laid directly on either Rodgers or other members of the committee, but instead on the owners who a) decided on the committee and then allowed 2 different approaches to develop. Surely they most see one cancels out the other.
Rodgers wasn't good enough to change their initial policy of having a Director of Football. I honestly believe we would have been in a better state now if we had stuck to our guns on this issue.
There is no clear direction, no clear vision. There's 2 approaches completely at odds with each other and that's why the state of the squad is an absolute shambles. We're now trying to shoehorn Can into the side in an unflavoured position. Markovic hasn't had a clear run of games in one position since he joined. The blame for this should not be laid directly on either Rodgers or other members of the committee, but instead on the owners who a) decided on the committee and then allowed 2 different approaches to develop. Surely they most see one cancels out the other.
Rodgers wasn't good enough to change their initial policy of having a Director of Football. I honestly believe we would have been in a better state now if we had stuck to our guns on this issue.
We've been doing this for decades, from players like Le Tallec or Pongolle thru to the current crop of Suso, Can, Markovic, Alberto, Coates, Ilori and Origi, when it goes wrong the club gets it in the neck from fans blaming them for wasting money when they could have bought 'big star' Player A or B for the combined total of 3-4 of those young potentials. There is an obvious risk associated with this policy (I'm not saying it's wrong) and the success rate is naturally low for a plethora of reasons, from us being the wrong club for them to not settling in this country.
If you want to talk about us becoming a 'feeder' club then that policy right there is part of the problem. The average age of a PL winning team (and by extension probably 2nd/3rd, with some notable exceptions) is around 27/28 yrs old. You need to have a base built on experience and quality and that means bringing in some players in their prime (25-29) regardless of the fact that they are not 'Moneyball' and will inevitably be sold on at a, possibly substantial, loss in 3-4 seasons or more. If we want to get back to the top then we need a more balanced transfer policy (it's naive to think that a group of young players will mature and improve together to that stage, some will not make the grade or will stagnate at a certain level whilst the best players will move on), that however does not seem to be the FSG blueprint and they only seem to be concerned with long term profit on their investments. I see Rodgers trying to buck that policy (even if some of his transfers are misguided) whilst the 'committee' is focused on adhering to 'Moneyball' young players.
You just don't go out and pay the 20mios range for a "young star". There are only at most 10 odd clubs in the world who can splash out this kind of money. We should be buying top or established stars with this kind of money. Markovic is the biggest mystery of all. Anyone, committee or not, who was involved in the decision to recruit him should be sacked.
Which other profession in the world would let you waste 20millions and go unaccounted for?
Which other profession in the world would let you waste 20millions and go unaccounted for?
Only because he wasn't clever enough.
Has anyone labelled them as 'failed signings'? I don't know, hence why I'm asking.
Even so, Moreno started 26 games for us last season. That's a fucking lot. I think it's fair to draw at least an opinion, nevermind a fully blown conclusion, as to whether he's any good from that, don't you?
He's been extremely underwhelming. Which is probably why an 18 year old from Charlton with not one minute in his life of playing action a) in the premier league, or b) at left back has been chosen ahead of him.
Same goes for Markovic, who whilst not having the same amount of starts, hasn't done enough to suggest he should start ahead of Lallana, Coutinho, Sterling (last year), Ibe, or most likely Firminho.
If they're good enough, Rodgers will play them regardless of who bought them and what Rodgers originally thought of them. We've seen countless examples of that in the last 3 years; Lucas, Agger, Sturridge, Henderson, Mignolet, Lambert, etc.
The reason those two aren't playing, just like anyone else who isn't getting a game - like Sakho - is because they haven't been good enough.
It's not big and it's not clever.
There's also no space between the last letter and an exclamation mark too you maudlin cunt, but no one gives a fuck.
I know and I still do it because I want to and no-one gives a fuck as you say. However that's not an option with people's names though is it, you egotistical prick.
Now, now sugar mouth.
So to be clear, what we've established is:
- Your argument has been booted all around this thread by Mark
- You're INCREDIBLY selective with what constitutes viable evidence to support a standpoint
- Even when you've got some semi-coherent points, you still come across like a whiny bitch
I'm interested Peter, do you go to many matches, or interact with many Liverpool fans in the real world? Or do you just stomp about at home complaining about how the peasants online don't understand the nuances of your genius-based considerations?
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