This defensive coach we need
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It's someone who teaches them to react well under split-second pressure. That doesn't matter where on the pitch it is, but if you lose the ball in attack it's seen as less of a problem than in defence
I think Rodgers and Pascoe just have to do better at that aspect of coaching. I'm not a fan of bringing in specialist coaches to work apart from the general pattern of play. Apart from suggesting a weakness in the main coaches to the players they don't seem to get much improvement. Remember when Houllier was declining - he seemed to bring in about three or four special coaches. It just made the whole process incoherent.
Not sure how a defensive coach can make much of a difference when it comes to individual clangers, just a second ago wrote a similar post in the stats thread, if 1 player keeps making howlers then you get rid but what do you do when they all take turns making these inexpilcable cock ups?
Its a big problem for Rodgers, its happened right from day 1 and hasn't gone away.
Its a big problem for Rodgers, its happened right from day 1 and hasn't gone away.
For Mignolet a better goalkeeping coach could/should make a difference, thats something we should really be looking at when you factor in Reina and his form for us for his last 2 seasons.
Achterberg isn't it? get rid.
Achterberg isn't it? get rid.
We play a risky style of football that's side effect is putting defenders into these sort of positions where cockups can happen. I think we'd have to change our style a bit and compromise our attacking play to have a solid defence that doesn't leak goals. I'd rather we leak the odd goal but win most games 3-1 or 4-1. But winning the big games by that margin is the challenge. We'll see how we get on against the arse.
I don't think a defensive coach would do that much. Competition or a replacement for Lucas might help, as would better full backs.
I don't think a defensive coach would do that much. Competition or a replacement for Lucas might help, as would better full backs.
Yes, as they always have a specialist coach it makes sense, and the current one seems an amiable bloke who is out of his depth.
They need to be better coached. It wouldn't affect the rest of our play if defenders took up better positions at corners, stopped inviting refs to award penalties for blatant shirt tugging and stopped that aimless faffing about in front of their own area.
Yep, Summer 2011 he came in, our goalkeeping has gone downhill in that time, its clearly and area in the coaching staff that can and should be improved upon.
Skrtel the tit is a penalty waiting to happen doing that, I'm not sure what possesses him to do it.
Reina ha been reunited with that great coach since, and hasn't been any better.
We play with attacking fullbacks & rarely play with two sitting in front of the CB's, that combined with a lack of a cb partnership is the big issue at hand.
The full backs may well be changed & the CB's may well be consistent, but not til next season, & we'll still be wanting our full backs to push up.
The main issue is positional & most specifically positions on set pieces.
I'd like to think that we can sort that in house, but it hasn't happened yet despite most fans seeing the glaring errors, so perhaps a defensive coach is the answer to that issue?
The full backs may well be changed & the CB's may well be consistent, but not til next season, & we'll still be wanting our full backs to push up.
The main issue is positional & most specifically positions on set pieces.
I'd like to think that we can sort that in house, but it hasn't happened yet despite most fans seeing the glaring errors, so perhaps a defensive coach is the answer to that issue?
We actually have a full-time paid 'video analyst' who is supposed to go through each game in forensic detail, so presumably he spots this (like everyone else), so I really cannot understand why Skrtel (and the rest) hasn't been told to stop it, unless (bizarrely) it's coached, in which case I can't understand why he hasn't been told to do it more discreetly.
It never seems to work, though. Lawrenson was brought in by Keegan and nothing changed. I think it lets the 'proper' coaches off the hook and gives them an excuse to avoid thinking about the issue. Rodgers is a smart enough man, he needs to deal with this within his overall pattern of play.
Because he can get away with it, near on every defender does it to some degree, look at Stoke under Pulis as the prime example, every single one of them was at it and they never got punished.
Really the only way you get punished is either a totally random decision from a ref or a really blatent one where a player has got away from a defender and the defender has his arm/s out stretched pulling the player back.
I don't know why it annoys anyone, if we keep giving away penalties then fair enough but we never do.
I can see why the refs are very reluctant to give them, it would open up a huge can of worms if they did, every set piece into the box would be a penalty waiting to happen, the game would become a farce.
Its still something that should be at least looked at, Mignolet could be a top keeper, whoever was the manc goalkeeping coach has done a real good job with De Gea when you look at where he was a season or 2 back, thats the sort of improvement we should be aiming for with Mig, theres no evidence Achterberg is capable of helping Mig do that.
Yeah agree, i really wish they would do a piece on this showing all teams over a weekend so we could all make a fair judgement on it instead of focussing on 1 individual, it would really put it to bed, all the other teams do it to some extent.
And then when pens get awarded weekly for it, the same media will pour scourn over how this non-contact nonsense is ruining the game, no doubt.
Not sure its another coach we need. We miss a Carragher type character bellowing out instructions on the pitch imho. The defense and midfield seems very rigid in its positioning when Mignolet has the ball. It seems to me the opposition know exactly where our defence will be placed making it very easy to press us.
Is Clarke's defensive coaching prowess overrated though?
We conceded 40 goals in a full season with Kenny/Clarke, and that was pretty much the same backline as the one under Rodgers' first season which conceded 43. A couple of changes later in this season, we're on track to concede 45 goals at the current rate of concession. Hardly a huge difference, especially when you consider we're missing Enrique for a huge chunk this season.
West Brom let in 57 goals last season. Well, we know they have less quality in their players, but 57 goals is still a lot of goals - enough to put them in the bottom 9 in goals conceded. They actually conceded fewer goals (52) in the season before Clarke.
I don't know - it could all just condense to the quality of the guys we have, and their availability plus familiarity with each other. I don't know what the answer is, but I'm not convinced that Clarke is the answer. He might be, but the (limited) stats don't support that right now.
For what it's worth - I thought we've defended set pieces very well in the last 2 games. We conceded 11 corners (Everton - 8, West Brom - 3) and I can only recall a proper goal bound effort from all of that which Mig saved brilliantly. I don't think that headed attempt was from an error in defending as well - McAuley climbed very well to head the ball and Skrtel was close to him but simply outjumped.
Doesn't mean we're defending properly, but credit where credit is due I guess. Hopefully we'll continue to maintain that progress.
Doesn't mean we're defending properly, but credit where credit is due I guess. Hopefully we'll continue to maintain that progress.
Yeah I know what you mean. I think there was a U18 or U21 game this/last season when we we were leading 3-0 and then conceded 3 goals from corners. Against West Ham I think it was. Was hilarious.
The Steve Clarke shout strikes again, why is he held up as some great defensive coach? is there any real evidence of him being so?
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