the onwers' spending

[Brizzle]

I'd rather we continue focus on the talented players in their early twenties - start by looking at the ones doing well for UEFA cup teams.

Yep - think this is the way to go. Avoid those towards the end and those too young for a period as we try to replace these key roles in our squad. A policy like this needs to be followed for many years to bear fruit so that those we buy in their early twenties mature towards their peak whilst the squad continues to be supplemented by those who are up and coming but not inexperienced. This is what we will see in coming years as Henderson, Coutinho, Markovic, Sterling all get towards their mid 20s and we surround them with more players who can step into the team when required like they did in the previous couple of seasons.

 

[jexykrodic]

I'd settle for not making horrendous mistakes and overpayments at the minutes.

Inspiring and ambitious usually equals a waste of money in the transfer market. What transfers would you class as inspiring and ambitious?

And I really don't know why spending has to be inspiring?

A focus on reducing risk of mistakes is your plan to drive the club forward?

 

[Rosco]

Well I think we're one of the worst spenders in Europe, so it's the easiest place we could improve our effectiveness.

That may not fill emotional needs for fans in the short term but winning the league is what we play for.

The inspiring and ambitious idea might be better but I've no idea what it entails

 

[dmishra]

A focus on reducing risk of mistakes is your plan to drive the club forward?

Reducing mistakes and improving efficiency in player recruitment is easily the most important ingredient for a football club to be successful in the long run club. Probably for any professional sports team for that matter. I can't see how you can underplay its importance.

 

[The Slugmonster]

Well I think we're one of the worst spenders in Europe, so it's the easiest place we could improve our effectiveness.

That may not fill emotional needs for fans in the short term but winning the league is what we play for.

The inspiring and ambitious idea might be better but I've no idea what it entails

I agree tbh. I'm tired of fans pulling examples like United and Veron etc out of the bag in order to try and validate our history with transfers whenever someone mentions that we overspend on shit players or players that don't work out consistently. We still do it consistently more that other clubs.

What would you look at? Scouting system? Whoever makes the final calls? Or just a complete overhaul from top to bottom of how we find and sign players?

 

[hmmmmm1]

The owners have spent money.

35M on Carroll.
25M on Lallana
21M Suarez
20M Markovic
15M Allen
Balotelli on 90K per week after tax wages.
120M spent 6 months ago.

Let's not start this argument again, because they've spent plenty of fucking money. It's just that our manager has bought pure shite, and thinks his pearly white fucking teeth are going to attract the world's finest.

He's lost all our good players, and hasn't been able to convince one top player to join us in over 3 years.

Way too simplistic view point.

90k is peanuts these days for top players.

Toure/Rooney are on 250k a week. Falcao around 300k a week.

We are never going to pay those kinda in wages so unlikely to a sign a a top player.

 

[jexykrodic]

Its no coincidence that the biggest spenders occupy the top spots. Spending means transfer fees and wages. Until these matters are addressed you are merely competing in an uneven event.

 

[Rosco]

Its no coincidence that the biggest spenders occupy the top spots. Spending means transfer fees and wages. Until these matters are addressed you are merely competing in an uneven event.

David beats Goliath more often than youd think. And we've spent enough to have won a title.

We just need to be smarter than those teams, right now we aren't.

So given FFP, and the limits of our market - how do we get more money than everyone else?

Win the Euromillions every week?

 

[jexykrodic]

Of course there's a case for working smarter but the odds are such that the chances of success are really quite low.

Generally speaking David gets to visit A&E courtesy of Goliath.

 

[leftpeg]

David beats Goliath more often than youd think. And we've spent enough to have won a title.

Not in winning the league he doesn't. The one exception to that in the PL years was Arsenal. Even Blackburn were big spenders in their day.

 

[Rosco]

Not in winning the league he doesn't. The one exception to that in the PL years was Arsenal. Even Blackburn were big spenders in their day.

Because all of the teams with the budget required to win the league try to act like Goliath, us included.

We're just the lower grade Goliath. A big dumb Goliath.
The Andy Carroll of Goliaths.

 

[mark1975]

He turned Sturridge down in the summer before buying him in January. And much as I like Lallana he's hardly a world class player.

Neither of those two had to be convinced did they? They were both desperate to come and we faced no competition for their signing.

Rodgers hasn't attracted one top class footballer to the club. It's true.

He wanted Sturridge on loan with a view to buy, because we didn't have much left to spend. He thought he could loan him and then buy him in Jan/Summer, and buy Clint Dempsey aswell (for £8m). The board wanted just a straight purchase for Sturridge, but Chelsea wanted in the region of £17m-£20m. The board vetoed the Dempsey deal and we ended up with neither, but we got Sturridge and saved £5m over the course of a few months. That much (about how much we saved waiting until January) was mentioned at the time.

Not that we should have gone for Dempsey, but the point is wrong that he "turned down Sturridge", for the reasons you seem to be suggesting anyway.

 

[mark1975]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...erpool-transfer-news-daniel-sturridge-1381899

 

[leftpeg]

Because all of the teams with the budget required to win the league try to act like Goliath, us included.

We're just the lower grade Goliath. A big dumb Goliath.
The Andy Carroll of Goliaths.

Is correct...but you said David beats Goliath and my point is, not to winning the league he doesn't.

Anyway, can we quit the Biblical stuff. I don't do God.

 

[dmishra]

Is correct...but you said David beats Goliath and my point is, not to winning the league he doesn't.

Anyway, can we quit the Biblical stuff. I don't do God.

The San Antonio Spurs in the NBA have consistently flouted that belief. Small-market team who've been immensely successful over 15 years through outstanding management, coaching and player recruitment. They're really the gold standard for how to run a successful sports team.

Football isn't as much of a level playing field as the NBA, of course, but you'd hope things become better over the next decade with the FFP.

Atletico winning the league last year is a start, and they aren't even well run. David certainly can beat Goliath, and the better run you are, the more you increase the chances. And anyway as Rosco points out, we're hardly David.

We certainly can compete with the likes of City and Chelsea for titles if we sort our shit out.

 

[leftpeg]

The San Antonio Spurs in the NBA have consistently flouted that belief. Small-market team who've been immensely successful over 15 years through outstanding management, coaching and player recruitment. They're really the gold standard for how to run a successful sports team.

Football isn't as much of a level playing field as the NBA, of course, but you'd hope things become better over the next decade with the FFP.

Atletico winning the league last year is a start, and they aren't even well run. David certainly can beat Goliath, and the better run you are, the more you increase the chances. And anyway as Rosco points out, we're hardly David.

We certainly can compete with the likes of City and Chelsea for titles if we sort our shit out.

Ignoring other sports because that's like comparing apples with dogs, how many 'David' clubs have won the PL in its 20-odd year history. The answer is...none. But hey yeah, it might happen one day....it just hasn't yet.

 

[jexykrodic]

Ignoring other sports because that's like comparing apples with dogs, how many 'David' clubs have won the PL in its 20-odd year history. The answer is...none. But hey yeah, it might happen one day....it just hasn't yet.

You're right and it's very very unlikely it will.

 

[Rosco]

Is correct...but you said David beats Goliath and my point is, not to winning the league he doesn't.

Anyway, can we quit the Biblical stuff. I don't do God.

A lower grade Goliath who acts like a David does.

 

[cloggypop]

I know that managers do not make a difference but who was that one that won the Spanish league a while back with a bit of a David team?

 

[Rosco]

I know that managers do not make a difference but who was that one that won the Spanish league a while back with a bit of a David team?

I think you need to re look at that scenario. Valencia were another Goliath

And really you don't know the managers make fuck all difference, you just think it's a witty comment to show I clearly know nothing. All it does is show your ignorance.

 

[Fabio]

I think you need to re look at that scenario. Valencia were another Goliath

And really you don't know the managers make fuck all difference, you just think it's a witty comment to show I clearly know nothing. All it does is show your ignorance.

What about athletico?

 

[Markeh]

We could and should be doing a lot better but there are now 4 teams able to blow us out of the water with wages and fees, it doesn't leave a lot of room for error.

I don't think the Davids have any sustainable success in football these days anyway, they get picked at by the bigger boys at every window. The best they can do is hope to roll on despite their losses like Southampton, Athletico, Dortmund but eventually that catches up with them or cripples them just enough to never be a top team. It'll be interesting to see how long Athletico can keep this up for before they fall away.

 

[Rosco]

What about athletico?

What about them?

 

[Fabio]

What about them?

Not notoriously big spenders and they won the league last year

 

[Rosco]

We could and should be doing a lot better but there are now 4 teams able to blow us out of the water with wages and fees, it doesn't leave a lot of room for error.

I don't think the Davids have any sustainable success in football these days anyway, they get picked at by the bigger boys at every window. The best they can do is hope to roll on despite their losses like Southampton, Athletico, Dortmund but eventually that catches up with them or cripples them just enough to never be a top team. It'll be interesting to see how long Athletico can keep this up for before they fall away.

Our aim should be to be a regular top 4 team that wins the league a couple of times a decade. A better version of Arsenal essentially

 

[Rosco]

Not notoriously big spenders and they won the league last year

Okay... So it's possible then?

That's what my argument is. I don't know anything about how Athletico evaluate their transfers so I can't say any more than that.

I'm guessing they don't go chasing players that Barca and Real are after, and instead use their windows more sensibly?

 

[Fabio]

Just highlighting an example. Is obviously rare



I don't even know what's going on in here

 

[cloggypop]

I think you need to re look at that scenario. Valencia were another Goliath

And really you don't know the managers make fuck all difference, you just think it's a witty comment to show I clearly know nothing. All it does is show your ignorance.

*slinks away all embarrassed*

 

[Rosco]

Hang your head Cloggypop

 

[cloggypop]

Hang your head Cloggypop

I am going to drink to forget.