what's our net spend since fsg took over?
i bet it's similar to like aston villa or west ham or something.
i bet it's similar to like aston villa or west ham or something.
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Yet we've only finished 4th once.
Twice if you include that table.
That table cements what a brilliant job Moyes was doing at Everton. A Premier League club would do well to get him back whenever his venture in Spain is over.Hats off also to Southampton, too. They're clearly being managed very well.
Surprised Newcastle are so low down too. I guess the Carroll sale helped, but still..
Surprised Newcastle are so low down too. I guess the Carroll sale helped, but still..
That table just shows me how far ahead the top 3 are, spending twice what we do a season on average. They're also giving out astronomical wages on top of that, it's so difficult to complete.
Arsenal are very lucky that Wenger specialises in getting them to the top 4, they are also probably well placed to complete financially with the top 3 if they want to.
Depressing reading
Arsenal are very lucky that Wenger specialises in getting them to the top 4, they are also probably well placed to complete financially with the top 3 if they want to.
Depressing reading
The owners have spent money.
35M on Carroll.
25M on Lallana
21M Suarez
20M Markovic
15M Allen
Balotelli on 90K per week after tax wages.
120M spent 6 months ago.
Let's not start this argument again, because they've spent plenty of fucking money. It's just that our manager has bought pure shite, and thinks his pearly white fucking teeth are going to attract the world's finest.
He's lost all our good players, and hasn't been able to convince one top player to join us in over 3 years.
35M on Carroll.
25M on Lallana
21M Suarez
20M Markovic
15M Allen
Balotelli on 90K per week after tax wages.
120M spent 6 months ago.
Let's not start this argument again, because they've spent plenty of fucking money. It's just that our manager has bought pure shite, and thinks his pearly white fucking teeth are going to attract the world's finest.
He's lost all our good players, and hasn't been able to convince one top player to join us in over 3 years.
Lallana.
This ignores the fact that he signed Sturridge when nobody on here wanted him. It also ignores the Lallana signing which you and I both welcomed. He's brought the best out of young players such as Sterling, Henderson, Coutinho and Flanagan. He managed our world class nutter supremely well and set up a system that got goals out of him and his partner. He's brought in some high potential talent in Can, Moreno and Manquillo. I know you don't see Can's full potential because you thought it was such a bad idea to play him at the back but stick with it. With the personnel he had he took us to within a whisker of winning the league and all of this just a season after taking over from the previous, legendary manager you so despised. Hyperbole perhaps but you started it.
He turned Sturridge down in the summer before buying him in January. And much as I like Lallana he's hardly a world class player.
Neither of those two had to be convinced did they? They were both desperate to come and we faced no competition for their signing.
Rodgers hasn't attracted one top class footballer to the club. It's true.
Neither of those two had to be convinced did they? They were both desperate to come and we faced no competition for their signing.
Rodgers hasn't attracted one top class footballer to the club. It's true.
Well if we don't offer the wages it doesn't matter how well Rodgers sells the club. Money talks
Tbf I can't think of an example of a manager who is relatively unknown on the world stage & hasn't won anything who has attracted top class players, with the exception of Mark Hughes at City, & I highly doubt that was the managers allure & sales pitch that attracted them to a club offering tens of millions in wages & huge signing fees.
Jose Mourinho ?
My point is this. In the very recent past we were the club of Hicks & Gillett, spades in the ground within 60 days, Paul Konchesky and Roy Hodgson. We had some high-paid utter shit on our books that we couldn't get rid of for love nor money. There were comical attempts to attract investment and even a court case to finally rid us of the previous ownership. We were probably closer to going out of business than any of us fully appreciate. We were the laughing stock of the game.
We've come a hell of a long way in an incredibly short period of time. It hasn't been all plain sailing. For example we've bought and sold one of the top three players in the world and we've dealt, sometimes well, sometimes less well, with all of the baggage he carried. The Luis Suarez / Liverpool story is illustrative of the ride we've been on. But relatively speaking, the club is in a much better place today than it might have been and the future is certainly brighter than it once looked.
The club has been overhauled from top to bottom...and it needed to be. In their different ways, nobody has contributed more to this than the owners, Dalglish and Rodgers...not Suarez and not even Gerrard. These are the people who have put us back on track...there's a long way to go still but they deserve our support.
We've come a hell of a long way in an incredibly short period of time. It hasn't been all plain sailing. For example we've bought and sold one of the top three players in the world and we've dealt, sometimes well, sometimes less well, with all of the baggage he carried. The Luis Suarez / Liverpool story is illustrative of the ride we've been on. But relatively speaking, the club is in a much better place today than it might have been and the future is certainly brighter than it once looked.
The club has been overhauled from top to bottom...and it needed to be. In their different ways, nobody has contributed more to this than the owners, Dalglish and Rodgers...not Suarez and not even Gerrard. These are the people who have put us back on track...there's a long way to go still but they deserve our support.
Yeah I'm not disputing that mate (well, a little perhaps) but that's not the manager's fault. We're better able to compete for quality players now than we have been for years.
It's never just the manager who does that at any club though. On the contrary, the current overall status and future prospects of the club itself are a lot more significant IMO, and ours need spiffing up yet before we can exercise the same pull on players that we once did. Clubs in our (current) position need to attract the Sturridges and Lallanas of this world, make then better still and start winning things. "If you build it, they will come."
Dear dear another self-flagellation thread.
Everton and Southampton etc are shit. Why? because they don't spend anything and they don't win anything. Ever.
What are "onwers"?
If you spend half as much as the top three in transfer fees and much, much less in player wages what do you expect?
I would even settle for winning the Dutch league...
There's nothing wrong with selling players (even your best ones) so long as you do it at the right time. (like when we should have sold Reina rather than give him 120k a week four years ago - most expensive reserve keeper ever?)
Terms like big club, small club, selling club etc all sound so juvenile and stupid - it's no surprise they're favourites of the English media.
Regarding spending - we've always spent more than we could afford to so in the past ten years. It's retarded to argue there's a lack of financial support.
I'm not as concerned as Ryan about the lack of superstars joining us - none of our best signings were superstars before they joined us.
I'd rather we continue focus on the talented players in their early twenties - start by looking at the ones doing well for UEFA cup teams.
Other ideas would be:
never let a manager sign a player he had at a previous club.
Don't be fooled by Cup performances, or international performances.
I'm sure there's plenty more
Terms like big club, small club, selling club etc all sound so juvenile and stupid - it's no surprise they're favourites of the English media.
Regarding spending - we've always spent more than we could afford to so in the past ten years. It's retarded to argue there's a lack of financial support.
I'm not as concerned as Ryan about the lack of superstars joining us - none of our best signings were superstars before they joined us.
I'd rather we continue focus on the talented players in their early twenties - start by looking at the ones doing well for UEFA cup teams.
Other ideas would be:
never let a manager sign a player he had at a previous club.
Don't be fooled by Cup performances, or international performances.
I'm sure there's plenty more
I'd settle for not making horrendous mistakes and overpayments at the minutes.
Inspiring and ambitious usually equals a waste of money in the transfer market. What transfers would you class as inspiring and ambitious?
And I really don't know why spending has to be inspiring?
Inspiring and ambitious usually equals a waste of money in the transfer market. What transfers would you class as inspiring and ambitious?
And I really don't know why spending has to be inspiring?
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