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Team to play Fulham

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arsenal have made a mockery of the exposed argument - they don't have a classic ball winner all the time and do well. Rogers needs to remember his philosophy - keep the ball and they can't hurt you.
Not really, they haven't really played anyone of real quality. They lost to Chelsea and Dortmund. They did beat Napoli and us but we've got obvious flaws in our game and it got exploited, same goes for their win against Spurs. I didn't see the Napoli game so can't comment. Their past seasons have shown that they can get bullied since they don't have that steel in midfield. Don't get me wrong, the way Arsenal play, if they get into a rhythm then they're gonna win and play well. I like to see a "no nonsense" team play them, someone that can harass them, kick them a bit. See how they respond.

It does seem Rodgers has gone back a little on his passing philosophy but maybe that's a result from losing Coutinho and other key players. It was evident in the first halves of the first, what?, 6 games but then something happened in the second half where we couldn't keep the pace up. Coutinho gets injured, we switch to 3 in the back and the passing game is gone. Instead it's more a wing back type game.
 
Things we can say for certain.

If fit - Gerrard & Lucas will play. Brendan's not dropping either of them - so don't pretend he will.

McLaughlin isn't going to play, even if Johnson is injured.

....And Agger won't be playing at LB or DM.

I'm over this formation - yes I can see its designed to have both Suarez & Sturridge in the most dangerous, preferred positions - but the rest of the side is a mess with players playing out of position. Etc
 
I've said it before - I think the diamond makes most use of our personnel (or the ones Rodgers picks) in most games...

-----------------------Mignolet-----------------------

Johnson--------Toure-----Sakho--------Enrique

------------------------Lucas------------------------

------------Gerrard---------Henderson/Allen----

----------------------Coutinho-----------------------

------------Suarez---------------Sturridge---------
 
I would be happy with Buddha's team or one of the following

------------------------Mingolet-------------------------
----------Toure -------Skrtel ------Sahko------------
Johnson-------------- Lucas ---------------Enrique
-----------Gerrard--------------- Henderson--------
------------------------Countinho-----------------------
--------------Suarez----------------Sturridge---------

or
------------------------Mingolet-------------------------
----------Toure -------Skrtel ------Sahko------------
-------------- -----------Lucas --------------------------
Johnson-----Gerrard-----Henderson-----Enrique
------------------------Countinho-----------------------
--------------Suarez----------------Sturridge---------
 
I would be happy with Buddha's team or one of the following

------------------------Mingolet-------------------------
----------Toure -------Skrtel ------Sahko------------
Johnson-------------- Lucas ---------------Enrique
-----------Gerrard--------------- Henderson--------
------------------------Countinho-----------------------
--------------Suarez----------------Sturridge---------

or
------------------------Mingolet-------------------------
----------Toure -------Skrtel ------Sahko------------
-------------- -----------Lucas --------------------------
Johnson-----Gerrard-----Henderson-----Enrique

------------------------Countinho-----------------------
--------------Suarez----------------Sturridge---------

12 players.
 
--------------------- Ming
Johnson --- Toure -- Sakho -- Agger
---------- Henderson -- Allen
------------------- Gerrard
--- Suarez ---- Sturridge --- Coutinho

That's the team I'd play. Rodgers obv. won't though.

I put Toure in as the RCB but really interchangeable with Skrtel - don't care. Ditto to a degree with Lucas / Henderson at the moment.
 
--------------------- Ming
Johnson --- Toure -- Sakho -- Agger
---------- Henderson -- Allen
------------------- Gerrard
--- Suarez ---- Sturridge --- Coutinho

That's the team I'd play. Rodgers obv. won't though.

I put Toure in as the RCB but really interchangeable with Skrtel - don't care. Ditto to a degree with Lucas / Henderson at the moment.

My team as well though I'd swap Sakho and Agger around as the former got better legs for all the running acquired out there.
 
Kris says "oh we lack composure at the back", avoiding saying Agger's name, because he knows he gets a shoeing, so he does everything BUT say Agger's name, and still get a shoeing. Never mind.

Someone raised a valid point, we haven't been great defensively since we went to three at the back. It would be churlish to try and ignore the fact that the game where Skrtel came back in against United, we stayed with a back four and still kept a clean sheet. Equally, Agger played in the 1-0 defeat against Southampton. So it's not like it's his inclusion, or Agger's exclusion (which I guess is what's being mildly insinuated too) which has led to this either. It's a combination of:

* a lack of ability to control possession in midfield in Coutinho's absence.

* poor defensive cover by the middle of the park, not aided by indifferent form from Lucas, Gerrard and Henderson.

* Lacking our two more comfortable fullbacks and relying on more defensive players instead, which in turn invites pressure.

* The absence of Agger and the implementing of new players on the left side of defense - Sakho getting upto speed, Cissokho being gash.

* Playing three at the back. It's not without it's flaws. We played three centre backs against one forward against Arsenal. Poor judgement, because they flooded the midfield and out played us. Playing this system with two defensive wingbacks is futile, the midfield lacks numbers & attacking impetus and the defense invites pressure.

* Toure has looked a bit jaded of late - he could maybe do with a rest.

All in all, it's not down to one factor, there's loads to consider and now a few players have settled, a few others are returning from injury, and we've seen how inconsistent this set up is, it's time to note that it's an option but it shouldn't be our only system, just because we've got an abundance of defenders to please. It's costing us, like playing Gerrard in "that" role is costing us.

It needs changing against Fulham, fresh legs, fresh ideas and a more bolder approach.
 
If I could be Brodgers for a day, I would play this, just cos I can......

......................Simon
Johnson......Skrtel.......Sakho......Agger
.............Henderson.....Allen
...Moses.............................Coutinho
...........Sturridge............Suarez
 
I wouldn't blame the defense for conceding in most cases, it does feel like when we do concede, its an opportunity that would have been scored regardless of how we were set up (Cabaye, set pieces, rebounds...)

The backline itself looks very comfortable in a three at the back set up, but its absurd that by adding more bodies to the midfield, they're playing worse, partially because our wingbacks aren't great. I wouldn't mind seeing either a true attacker like Moses, or just a passing body like Allen be played at the wingback role, because if we can retain possession a bit more, the backline can hold its own even with a defending player less.
 
Or why Kelly remained on the bench instead of taking Johnson's place?

If he is on the bench as a sub RWB, and the RWB gets injured, he should slot in. If he isn't deemed worthy, then get him off the bench!



Rodgers said in the presser today that Kelly 'didn't feel right after his last match' and so they're taking it slowly with him, so, as you say, it seems odd to have him there.
 
Looks like this will be the line-up acc to Bib theory:Mignolet, Johsnon, Skrtel, Agger, Cissokho/Enrique, Lucas, Gerrard, Henderson, Coutinho, Suarez, Sturridge

Hopefully Enrique will be fit and it looks like a diamond 4-4-2 imho
 
Agger's a cert to come back in.

If Enrique's not fit, then play Colin Pascoe at left back ahead of that clown Cissokho.

fuck Flanagan and his 4million a week contract out of the side toute de suite.

Play Allen.
 
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Bib theory team:

Mignolet, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Cissokho, Lucas, Gerrard, Hendo, Coutinho, Suarez, Sturridge

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(EDIT: Not intended to offend anyone)
 
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