Stoke thoughts....

[Red Mullet]

There is that.. but questions have to be asked in regards why thess new players are not performing..

I think the 2 new fullbacks have started well, as has Can.

Lazar is young and needs time, as does most foreign players. For example Henry - he was bad in his first season for Arsenal and then look what happened.

Mario - well we knew about him, no way was he going to be a sensation. But he has immense skill and potential. Partnered with the right player he'll be fine - look at the Spurs game. Shame Daniel is injury prone and when he's on his own up front and the service is poor, it affects the strike team.

Lovren - the only real disappointment. It's like, he doesn't even talk to the other 3 defenders especially his partnering CB.

Lallana - he got injured, but there's been glimpses of his ability and it'll come through. Again time is needed.

Lambert - isn't he playing as everyone expected?

Fundamentally, if you look at all those, losing Suarez, playing in the limelight of the CL and didn't adjust your expectations for a Spurs situation then you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Modo]

We haven't lost the season because Gerrard has played in that role, we've lost it because we can't defend and we can't score goals. We only just scraped it yesterday and there are other games where Gerrard has played in a more advanced position and we've still lost. Blaming Gerrard is just trying too hard to crush the rationale behind it and to champion the return of Lucas. There have been enough examples of where one has worked and the other hasn't, and vise versa. Lucas was dire against West Ham and we got battered, for example.

I don't want to see Gerrard in that role, for the record, because I think it's a waste of his talents and I don't think his natural game suits playing there, he's a player you tell to do what he wants on the pitch, restricting him is counterproductive, but it's not the sole or major reason for our downfall. The reason behind that is pretty fucking obvious.

You fucking know that Lucas wasn't played in the Dm position in that game and you still bring it up.

You're saying that we're losing because we can't defend but is Gerrard exempt from defending, cause he certainly hasn't been doing it for a while.
You're absolutely right in saying that Gerrard isn't the only reason we've done so badly but he's one of the main culprits. I'm not the only one saying it either.

 

[Modo]

I think the 2 new fullbacks have started well, as has Can.

Lazar is young and needs time, as does most foreign players. For example Henry - he was bad in his first season for Arsenal and then look what happened.

Mario - well we knew about him, no way was he going to be a sensation. But he has immense skill and potential. Partnered with the right player he'll be fine - look at the Spurs game. Shame Daniel is injury prone and when he's on his own up front and the service is poor, it affects the strike team.

Lovren - the only real disappointment. It's like, he doesn't even talk to the other 3 defenders especially his partnering CB.

Lallana - he got injured, but there's been glimpses of his ability and it'll come through. Again time is needed.

Lambert - isn't he playing as everyone expected?

Fundamentally, if you look at all those, losing Suarez, playing in the limelight of the CL and didn't adjust your expectations for a Spurs situation then you haven't been paying attention.

Lallana needs time? You're having a laugh...

 

[Red Mullet]

Lallana needs time? You're having a laugh...

Read the bit about the injury. Not difficult.

 

[Modo]

Of course.

But you clearly want to see us play football similar to the time of Benitez. That is essentially why you are so adamant that Lucas must start come what may. Rodgers has a different way of playing and a different view. Also don't get too happy, I can almost guarantee you that he'll return to his preferred system at the first opportunity.

I want to see us win.
I want Lucas in that position mainly because he's our only Dm and he does his job well.
You make it sound like I jumped on Gerrard bandwagon yesterday. Truth is I never rated Gerrard in that position and I've said it time and time again for the past few seasons.

 

[Lippy]

I think Modo is right about the Gerrard\Lucas situation. Sad to say but Gerrards thinking and physical reaction times are visibly slowing and he was causing big issues in that holding role. He's completely wrong about Lallana though who's a good player not getting a look in mysteriously.

 

[Modo]

Read the bit about the injury. Not difficult.

It's been 3 months since he came back.
And it wasn't like he had a cruciate ligament injury. He was out for a few weeks.
Excuses.

 

[Red Mullet]

It's been 3 months since he came back.
And it wasn't like he had a cruciate ligament injury. He was out for a few weeks.
Excuses.

He got injured at the end of July, was out for 6 weeks, missed the crucial preseason and the beginning of the season. He then started playing for real with a Liverpool team that frankly was completely off-form. Liverpool needs time to adjust as does he.
Agenda.

 

[mark1975]

There's always this either/or agenda with Modo, he can't like any of our other centre backs (or the recently retired Carragher) because they're not Agger, he can't love Rodgers because he's not Rafa, he can't stomach Gerrard/Henderson because they're not Allen or Lucas. Same with Lallana, he's a similar sort of player to Coutinho, whom he loves, so he can't like both. It's all a bit juvenile.

 

[Lippy]

I'd much rather see Lallana in the side than Henderson at the moment who for me has been fairly poor this season and continues to play safety football. He's becoming the new Ray Wilkins

 

[dantes]

I want to see us win.
I want Lucas in that position mainly because he's our only Dm and he does his job well.
You make it sound like I jumped on Gerrard bandwagon yesterday. Truth is I never rated Gerrard in that position and I've said it time and time again for the past few seasons.

But that position is different under Rodgers than it was under Benitez. You rate Lucas because you view it as a defensive position like it was under Benitez. Rodgers doesn't care about defending, you might have noticed, so he wants that player to pass the ball forward with accuracy every couple of minutes a game. Gerrard is his only option. Suso or Allen are other potential options. Lucas is definitely not, which is probably why Rodgers was happy to get rid of him in the summer.

 

[localny]

Pisses me off that we, in the process of accommodating Gerrrard to the DM position, threw away this season.

Trolling again. Come on man. Your agendas are preventing normal discourse here and taking threads to the same old place. It's getting very dull. Johnson is great, Lucas is unappreciated, Gerrard is a problem, Llanana is poor - you'd get more respect for these entirely entitled views if you didn't keep pushing every thread in that direction.

 

[Lippy]

But that position is different under Rodgers than it was under Benitez. You rate Lucas because you view it as a defensive position like it was under Benitez. Rodgers doesn't care about defending, you might have noticed, so he wants that player to pass the ball forward with accuracy every couple of minutes a game. Gerrard is his only option. Suso or Allen are other potential options. Lucas is definitely not, which is probably why Rodgers was happy to get rid of him in the summer.

Did you actually watch the game yesterday? Lucas played plenty of forward balls

 

[Lippy]

Trolling again. Come on man. Your agendas are preventing normal discourse here and taking threads to the same old place. It's getting very dull. Johnson is great, Lucas is unappreciated, Gerrard is a problem, Llanana is poor - you'd get more respect for these entirely entitled views if you didn't keep pushing every thread in that direction.

Johnson is great ? Seriously ?

 

[davud graham]

What sort of manager doesn't care about defending? I doubt that this is the case with Rodgers but I'm not sure that he's capable of organising a defence which is a different thing. The last few years he bought plenty of defenders and the defence hasn't functioned any better inspite of it. Lucas's passing yesterday was fine and gerrards lately has been anything but accurate as he's trying to do too much from too deep. Playing Gerrard further forward helps gerrard and the team as it frees gerrard from a lot of his defensive responsibilities (which he isn't very good at anyway) and enables him to be closer to the strikers or wingers. It's a lot easier to play a winger or wide player in from 25 yards out than it is from 50 yards away.
It's not about which players you like best but which players are more suited to a position in the team. Peter Beardsley was fantastic at tackling but no one ever suggested he played centre half as other parts of his game defensively would have been found out as is the case with gerrard in the defensive midfield position. And in my opinion our defence could use all the help it can get.

 

[localny]

Johnson is great ? Seriously ?

That's the latest modo cause

 

[Lippy]

That's the latest modo cause

He had a decent second half yesterday but he's been shite awful for ages now. I glad he's fucking off to Roma who are willing to pay his £120k wages

 

[Woland]

I can't believe so many people had Johnson in their top 3 MoTM yesterday. He was crap.

 

[Lippy]

I can't believe so many people had Johnson in their top 3 MoTM yesterday. He was crap.

He was bollocks first half.

 

[keniget]

I glad he's fucking off to Roma who are willing to pay his £120k wages

Is that confirmed or rumour?

 

[Judge Jules]

Did you actually watch the game yesterday? Lucas played plenty of forward balls

Little tiddly ones though, which anyone could play, and he did spend a fair bit of time passing sideways too, though overall he was defo an asset. Dantes is referring to the really constructive passes which Stevie G can play and has played so often over the years.

 

[Lippy]

Little tiddly ones though, which anyone could play, and he did spend a fair bit of time passing sideways too, though overall he was defo an asset. Dantes is referring to the really constructive passes which Stevie G can play and has played so often over the years.

Oh right but they're less and less frequent these days aren't they? Gerrard is a legend for me but I just think it's time to use him more sparingly now.

 

[Judge Jules]

I'd much rather see Lallana in the side than Henderson at the moment who for me has been fairly poor this season and continues to play safety football. He's becoming the new Ray Wilkins

The whole idea that Lallana hasn't been playing well is pure fiction anyway. At his very worst he's been no worse than anybody else, and he's been better than that pretty often.

 

[localny]

Tiddly passes - hilarious!

 

[Gary25]

I know every Club has them but there's some absolute dickheads amongst our support.

Two fellas in front of me in the Kop yesterday just slagged the whole team for 90 minutes...'fuck off you wanker you're shit' being repeated over and over when a Liverpool player misplaced a pass or dilly-dallied on the ball or whatever. Yes we struggled again and it's hard not to get pissed off in the heat of the moment but there's some assholes that go to games and just slag players off for the sake of it, maybe they think it's cool or something, I dunno.

Pity they wouldn't fuck off and follow another team.

 

[Lippy]

I know every Club has them but there's some absolute dickheads amongst our support.

Two fellas in front of me in the Kop yesterday just slagged the whole team for 90 minutes...'fuck off you wanker you're shit' being repeated over and over when a Liverpool player misplaced a pass or silly-dallied on the ball or whatever. Yes we struggled again and it's hard not to get pissed off in the heat of the moment but there's some assholes that go to games and just slag players off for tha sake of it, maybe they think it's cool or something, I dunno.

Pity they wouldn't fuck off and follow another team.

You're not allowed to make mistakes these days. A lot take the Internet approach to "support" to the game these days I.e it's ok to slag off players for anything. It's a bit sad really as a little bit of encouragement would go a long way to help

 

[Judge Jules]

I know every Club has them but there's some absolute dickheads amongst our support.

Two fellas in front of me in the Kop yesterday just slagged the whole team for 90 minutes...'fuck off you wanker you're shit' being repeated over and over when a Liverpool player misplaced a pass or dilly-dallied on the ball or whatever. Yes we struggled again and it's hard not to get pissed off in the heat of the moment but there's some assholes that go to games and just slag players off for the sake of it, maybe they think it's cool or something, I dunno.

Pity they wouldn't fuck off and follow another team.

It's a shame when that happens anywhere (including on here, I might add) but on the Kop it's a disgrace. Some (including the ones on here) probably do think it's what they ought to do, but quite a lot of the time I suspect the "fans" who behave in this way are just saddoes who aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something.

 

[Modo]

He got injured at the end of July, was out for 6 weeks, missed the crucial preseason and the beginning of the season. He then started playing for real with a Liverpool team that frankly was completely off-form. Liverpool needs time to adjust as does he.
Agenda.

Didn't Sturridge miss pre season last summer? (2013)
Fact of the matter is, we paid over £20 million for a squad player.

 

[C/O]

Tiddly passes - hilarious!

Tiddly-taddly is the new tiki taka don't ya know?

 

[Red Astaire]

He was bollocks first half.

He was - There was one particular bit where he tried to play it out and fucked it right up and gave the ball away. By sheer luck nothing came of it. The camera focused on him for a few seconds while the commentators spoke about it. The look on his face was classic 'puppy sitting next to a pile of poo' face. He has been shocking for the last 12 months at least.