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[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1423422#msg1423422 date=1320754427]
Stewart Downing hasn't scored or assisted in his first 11 league games for Liverpool despite attempting 28 shots and creating 23 chances
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either his crosses are piss fucking poor or we have the worst finishers in the league.
 
Most Premier League goals in 2011 (overall):

Robin van Persie (29)
Wayne Rooney (19)
Demba Ba, Frank Lampard, Darren Bent (15)
Javier Hernandez (13)
Edin Dzeko, Daniel Sturridge (12)
Rafael van der Vaart, Charlie Adam, Peter Odemwingie (11)
Clint Dempsey, Dirk Kuyt (10)

2 thoughts:

- if only we had someone as prolific as RVP
- Kuyt 😱 and he's not getting games, that's -ing goals from the team isn't it
 
Kuyt is shite before Christmas and offers little binny. He turns up when there's nothing to play for in the league
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47291.msg1423595#msg1423595 date=1320777571]
Kuyt is shite before Christmas and offers little binny. He turns up when there's nothing to play for in the league


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Is that kuyt or is that EVERYONE?
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47291.msg1423430#msg1423430 date=1320755655]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1423422#msg1423422 date=1320754427]
Stewart Downing hasn't scored or assisted in his first 11 league games for Liverpool despite attempting 28 shots and creating 23 chances
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either his crosses are piss fucking poor or we have the worst finishers in the league.
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"Worst finishers in the league" may be going it a bit, but that's definitely where our main problem lies.
 
Re: Re: Stats, stats and more stats

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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47291.msg1423595#msg1423595 date=1320777571]
Kuyt is shite before Christmas and offers little binny. He turns up when there's nothing to play for in the league


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Is that kuyt or is that EVERYONE?
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Just kuyt

No one else in the squad doesn't turn up for MONTHS
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47291.msg1423612#msg1423612 date=1320779636]
I see you finally found the shift/caps lock key Neil
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I always use caps to emphasise words 😉
 
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[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1423422#msg1423422 date=1320754427]
Stewart Downing hasn't scored or assisted in his first 11 league games for Liverpool despite attempting 28 shots and creating 23 chances
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Mins per chance created (Total chances) Downing: 41 (23) Bale: 38 (24) Young: 38 (17) Lennon: 38 (10) Walcott: 79 (10)
 
The current transfer value of Liverpool players since 1992
Graeme Riley, on whose meticulous research the excellent Pay As You Play was based and has published the annual Football in Europe, has joined the LFChistory team and will provide us with data that will enable us to go into much further detail on the site. This will all be revealed in the forthcoming months.

Riley has devised a method that shows how much every single Liverpool purchase since the beginning of the Premier League is worth in today's market. Earlier transfers are not included as it was impossible to trace them all so an average transfer value was not present for seasons previous to the 1992-1993 season. Beneath the list of players is a breakdown of each season.

The current transfer purchase price is calculated as follows:

1. Take the actual price of the player in the season he was bought.
2. Divide the value paid by the average transfer value for the season he was bought, then multiply by the average transfer value of the current season – this effectively inflates the player’s value to current terms.
3. As we do not yet know all of the January 2012 values, for the sake of consistency everything is taken back to 2010-11 values. Example: Djibril Cissé cost £14.5m in July 2004 – so his current value is 14,500,000 / 2,172,559 x 4,906,739 = £32,748,347.

Here are Liverpool's 50 most expensive players since 1992.

Rank Player Current value Transfer fee Season

1 Andy Carroll 35,000,000 35,000,000 2010-2011

2 Djibril Cisse 32,748,000 14,500,000 2004-2005

3 Emile Heskey 32,018,000 11,000,000 1999-2000
4 Fernando Torres
28,440,000 20,200,000 2007-2008
5 Stan Collymore 27,724,000 8,500,00 1995-1996
6 Javier Mascherano 26,187,000 18,600,000 2007-2008
7 Xabi Alonso 24,166,000 10,700,000 2004-2005
8 Dietmar Hamann 23,286,000 8,000,000 1999-2000
9 Luis Suarez 22,800,000 22,800,000 2010-2011
10 Glen Johnson 21,733,000 17,500,000 2009-2010
11 Alberto Aquilani 21,236,000 17,100,000 2009-2010
12 El-Hadji Diouf 20,015,000 10,000,000 2002-2003
13 Dirk Kuyt 19,400,000 9,000,000 2006-2007
14 Paul Stewart 18,989,000 2,300,000 1992-1993
15 Stewart Downing 18,716,000 18,500,000 2011-2012
16 Neil Ruddock 18,515,000 2,500,000 1993-1994
17 Robbie Keane 18,299,943 19,000,000 2008-2009
18 Paul Ince 17,588,000 4,200,000 1997-1998
19 Phil Babb 16,917,000 3,600,000 1994-1995
20 Nigel Clough 16,848,000 2,275,000 1993-1994
21 John Scales 16,448,000 3,500,000 1994-1995
22 Ryan Babel 16,191,000 11,500,000 2007-2008
23 Jordan Henderson 16,187,000 16,000,000 2011-2012
24 Peter Crouch 15,844,000 7,000,000 2005-2006
25 Jason McAteer 14,677,000 4,500,000 1995-1996
26 Oyvind Leonhardsen 14,657,000 3,500,000 1997-1998
27 Jermaine Pennant 14,442,000 6,700,000 2006-2007
28 Fernando Morientes 14,229,000 6,300,000 2004-2005
29 Jose Reina 13,580,000 6,000,000 2005-2006
30 Luis Garcia 13,551,000 6,000,000 2004-2005
31 Nick Barmby 13,246,000 6,000,000 2000-2001
32 Daniel Agger 13,128,000 5,800,000 2005-2006
33 Craig Bellamy 12,933,000 6,000,000 2006-2007
34 Mohamed Sissoko 12,675,000 5,600,000 2005-2006
35 Harry Kewell 12,533,000 5,000,000 2003-2004
36 Igor Biscan 12,142,000 5,500,000 2000-2001
37 Christian Ziege 12,142,000 5,500,000 2000-2001
38 Sander Westerveld 11,643,000 4,000,000 1999-2000
39 Raul Meireles 11,500,000 11,500,000 2010-2011
40 Julian Dicks 11,108,000 1,500,000 1993-1994
41 Vladimir Smicer 10,915,000 3,750,000 1999-2000
42 Patrik Berger 10,665,000 3,250,000 1996-1997
43 Vegard Heggem 10,634,000 3,500,000 1998-1999
44 Stephane Henchoz 10,188,000 3,500,000 1999-2000
45 Chris Kirkland 9,754,000 6,000,000 2001-2002
46 Salif Diao 9,407,000 4,700,000 2002-2003
47 Martin Skrtel 9,152,000 6,500,000 2007-2008
48 Steve Finnan 8,773,000 3,500,000 2003-2004
49 Charlie Adam 8,599,000 8,500,000 2011-2012
50 David James 8,256,000 1,000,000 1992-1993
Dean Saunders and Mark Wright who were bought in the 1991-1992 season one year previous to the start of the Premier League would both easily make the top 50 if they were included. Saunders, who was bought for 2.9 million pounds would be valued around 24 million and 2.2 million Mark Wright would be around the 18 million mark.

It is frightening when you realise that Liverpool spent in current value a total of 21 million pounds on Bernard Diomede, Jean Marc Ferri, Gabriel Paletta and Sean Dundee who played a combined total of 20 games for the club!

The legendary Sami Hyypia doesn't even make the top 50 list which shows how much of a coup it was to get him for 2.5 million pounds in 1999-2000 with a current transfer value of only 7,277,000 pounds.

Season Transfers Transfer value Average Inflation
1992-1993 94 55,865,000 594,309
1993-1994 117 77,518,000 662,543 11.48%
1994-1995 111 115,900,000 1,044,144 57.60%
1995-1996 112 168,493,000 1,504,397 44.08%
1996-1997 104 156,000,000 1,495,288 -0.61%
1997-1998 168 196,850,000 1,171,726 -21.64%
1998-1999 157 253,540,000 1,614,904 37.82%
1999-2000 138 232,630,000 1,685,725 4.39%
2000-2001 147 326,713,000 2,222,537 31.84%
2001-2002 125 377,275,000 3,018,200 35.80%
2002-2003 96 235,345,000 2,451,510 -18.78%
2003-2004 140 274,045,000 1,957,464 -20.15%
2004-2005 145 315,021,000 2,172,559 10.99%
2005-2006 146 316,510,000 2,167,877 -0.22%
2006-2007 165 375,593,000 2,276,322 5.00%
2007-2008 177 616,860,000 3,485,085 53.10%
2008-2009 144 733,600,000 5,094,444 46.18%
2009-2010 123 485,980,000 3,951,057 -22.44%
2010-2011 115 564,275,000 4,906,739 24.19%
2011-2012 100 485,000,000 4,850,000 -1.16%
 
One of the summer's main talking points was "chances created," a fairly new statistic meant to replace assists. Assists take two to tango, reliant on the goal scorer actually scoring the goal. LiverpoolFC.tv clarifies the stat by renaming it "shot assists," a name I actually prefer, although I'll stick with Opta's nomenclature since I'm using FourFourTwo's StatsZone stats throughout this piece. The official site also has slightly different numbers than StatsZone, crediting Adam with two fewer shot assists than StatsZone credits chances created.

After the summer signings, Liverpool fans couldn't wait to pass around a chart showing Adam, Downing, and Henderson in the Top 10 for chances created in the league last year. Anfield Index featured multiple articles on the stat. Given how Liverpool struggled for goals last season, most notably under Hodgson, adding players who set up goal-scoring opportunities seemed crucial.

Well, Liverpool are creating more chances. They're simply not taking them. And Charlie Adam tops the list of those creating said chances.

After 11 games, Adam's created 26 chances, more than any other in the Liverpool squad. Suarez and Enrique on 20, Downing with 17, and Lucas with 10 are the only other players in double figures. Adam played 35 games last season; currently averaging 2.36 chances created per game, Adam's on pace for 83 chances created this season if he plays the same number of matches. Which is 19 more than his total for Blackpool last season. And with Downing, Suarez, Henderson and (sometimes) Gerrard involved, he's not taking every set play either.

Adam created eight against Swansea, five more than the next closest player (Downing) and the most in any Liverpool match this season. Four came from set plays and four came from open play. There were chips and crosses to Suarez, corners to Agger, and layoffs and throughballs to Downing. Probability more than suggests at least one should have led to an assist and Liverpool winner.

In total, Liverpool have created 137 chances through this season's 11 matches. The side created 121 in Hodgson's first 11 matches and 120 in Dalglish's first 11 matches as "caretaker manager." Liverpool scored 12 goals in Hodgson's first 11 games, 18 in Dalglish's first 11 games, and 14 through this season's 11 games. This season's chances created-per-goal ratio (9.79) is far closer to Hodgson's mark (10.08) than that from Dalglish's first 11 matches (6.67). Again, creation isn't the problem. Conversion is.

Admittedly, Adam has multiple faults. Fitness is usually the first mentioned: how he tends to tire after the hour mark, with skepticism exacerbated by his less-than-ideal physique. He tends towards the spectacular and over-ambitious when Liverpool might be better served by keeping it simple. He's also more than questionable defensively: in positions he takes up, in his frequently rash tackling, in his recovery speed. And, yes, he's seemingly better in a three-man midfield, which Liverpool rarely uses.

All players have faults; it's balancing the good against the bad. As long as the positives outweigh the negatives in the manager's mind.

We can argue whether Liverpool would be better in a different formation, with support from two other "orthodox" central midfielders rather than the 4-2-2-2/4-3-3 half measure that has Henderson often coming inside. Or whether Spearing's a better partner for Lucas in the formation Liverpool's using. Those are questions for management. However hesitant I am (and you should be) to criticize Dalglish's evolutionary team after less than a third of the campaign gone, they're valid debates.

But the main reason Liverpool bought Adam from Blackpool was to create chances. And Charlie Adam creates chances.
 
Liverpool have allowed their opponents fewer shots on target against them than any other team in the Premier League this season.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1424760#msg1424760 date=1321031633]
Liverpool have allowed their opponents fewer shots on target against them than any other team in the Premier League this season.
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and every time they manage to shot they score.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=47291.msg1424762#msg1424762 date=1321031918]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1424760#msg1424760 date=1321031633]
Liverpool have allowed their opponents fewer shots on target against them than any other team in the Premier League this season.
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and every time they manage to shot they score.
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Ha.

4 of the 10 goals conceded have cost us a total of 7 points. Contrast Man City - same goals conceded only dropped 2 points.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1419293#msg1419293 date=1319969817]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1416884#msg1416884 date=1319548155]

Liverpool have hit the woodwork nine times in the Premier League this season, more than any other team.

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After yesterday's game:

Liverpool have hit the woodwork 10 times in the Premier League this season, four more than any other side.
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Downing 2, Carroll 2, Suarez 2, Adam 1, Kuyt 1, Skrtel 1, Kelly 1
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1426353#msg1426353 date=1321364856]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1419293#msg1419293 date=1319969817]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1416884#msg1416884 date=1319548155]

Liverpool have hit the woodwork nine times in the Premier League this season, more than any other team.

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After yesterday's game:

Liverpool have hit the woodwork 10 times in the Premier League this season, four more than any other side.
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Downing 2, Carroll 2, Suarez 2, Adam 1, Kuyt 1, Skrtel 1, Kelly 1
[/quote]Carroll hit the bar (somehow) against Swansea, which was since then Binny.
 
Yeah Count, but after the Swansea game the figure was at 10, cos Opta mis-counted one of Downing's effort previously. Think the distribution is still correct. 🙂

Liverpool have made only 23 substitutions this season, the lowest in the league.

In the 2008/09 season, Liverpool scored 4 injury time WINNERS, compared to just 2 in the past 2 seasons combined.

Stewart Downing got 8 assists for club & country last season; he's up to 3 already this term. Shame they've all been for country though
 
8 - Number of accurate through balls completed by Charlie Adam this season, The highest in the league.

0 - Number of aerial duels won by Luis Suarez this season.

Arsenal have won 5 league games in a row, their best run since March 2010.
 
Kenny Dalglish has faced Chelsea 12 times in the league as a manager for Liverpool, winning 9 times, drawing 3 and losing 0.

Last 6 Kenny results at Chelsea: CFC 0-1 LFC, 3-3, 1-1, 5-2 win, 1-0 win, 2-1 win.
 
Dalglish 53% wins in 30 league games in charge LFC compares, last 30 Wenger47%, Redkn50%, Fergie67%, Mancini70%, Moyes40%, Woy42% (24games)

Yesterday's match was the first that Liverpool managed to win after an international break under Kenny Dalglish.

Only 3 players in Europe have made more tackles per game than Lucas this season.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1428723#msg1428723 date=1321766145]
8 - Number of accurate through balls completed by Charlie Adam this season, The highest in the league
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READ IT ADAM HATIN'
BITCHES!
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47291.msg1430056#msg1430056 date=1321902605]
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1428723#msg1428723 date=1321766145]
8 - Number of accurate through balls completed by Charlie Adam this season, The highest in the league
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READ IT ADAM HATIN'
BITCHES!
[/quote]I think everyone loves him Herr Doctor.
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=47291.msg1430029#msg1430029 date=1321898910]

Only 3 players in Europe have made more tackles per game than Lucas this season.
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don't know why its worth highlighting to anyone, it's not going to change anyones opinion
 
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