Souness & Moyes

[mark1975]

Moyes is on a 6yr contract aswell, so it'll cost him a fortune to fuck him off.

Bit funny that it's six years, talk about "well it took Fergie six years to get it right, so...."

 

[Hyena]

Quite. I can't see Moyes staying around long enough for it to become truly catastrophic for them, but the rot is setting in and if that only hampers them for a couple of seasons, it's better than nothing and it would seem to be, perfect timing for us. We need a club or two to fall away, every little helps.

The issue at the minute is two-fold. Players who play for the club, clearly don't want to play for him and it's difficult to see how he can attract top players with his profile and a lack of European Football to offer. They're always going to have money, as Keni said, so they will always have the potential there to be a force, and that's the danger for the rest of us. The biggest plus, regardless of whether Moyes stays or goes, is that the monopoly and fear factor has been broken, that's going to take longer to repair regardless of who ends up in charge.

I wouldn't be surprised if they try to go for Maureen in the Summer.

The best part is that with Rio, Evra & Vidic all off this summer and others clearly disillusioned, the players who are sticking around are taking the opportunity to hold them to ransom with mega-wage long term contracts.

This will make players like Cleverley impossible to get rid off. In the meantime, top players refuse to come in and they have no choice but to offer even bigger contracts to middling players in the key roles. If he can't get a top CB in this summer he might have to start handing out 100k+ per week deals to Jones, Smalling, Evans...

That would be a dream.

 

[StevieM]

nah fuck that, he might play shit football at times but he wins everywhere he goes

Ah balls to that...

His "superpowers" don't extend to taking on ageing teams in decline that require major overhaul.

Give him best team in the league or most expensively assembled team in the league and he'll get you results.... and even then...

 

[Wizardry]

I know that's all tongue in cheek but it's still mostly bollocks, isn't it?

He'd be perfect for them after this. Once Moyes has destroyed their footballing philosophy and starved them of success, the fans and board will accept a winning team in any form.

Enter Mourinho - he could easily do an Inter with them. The only positive is he'd not stick around too long.

I reckon that would just about make them an even more hateful club than ever before.

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[Mors]

I think Abramovic would have him knocked off in a paris tunnel if he was to leave chelski for utd and get them to win the league.

 

[keniget]

Mourinho won't go to Utd now that he's back at Chelsea. That's as close to a home as he's got in football and I can't see him shitting all over it as much as he's wanted the Utd job.

It seems like they didn't want someone to come in and "steady the ship" otherwise they would've gone for a guy like Van Gaal, surely. They want a successor and that's what makes the whole Moyes thing difficult. If they opt to bin him off, who do they go for?

Utd fans keep mentioning Klopp, but he seems to want to stay at Dortmund, Guardiola would be mad to leave Bayern for Utd, which leaves Simeone and De Boer I suppose. Hopefully De Boer will end up at Barca, which leaves Simeone and that seems an unlikely match.

 

[gkmacca]

I heard the manc directors made a very conscious decision to choose a successor in terms of fitting their profile, which stressed the importance of 'competence + character', instead of just going for anyone so long as he was a proven winner. That was partly motivated by an extreme aversion some directors had to Mourinho (unlike Ginsoak himself, who was surprised to find there was so much resistance to the man). So after that decision was made, Bobby Charlton was given the task of making some public comments that basically sent out the message that Mourhino didn't fit the profile. Here's one:

Coming from Charlton, who is a United director and ambassador and was a kingmaker in Ferguson's appointment during 1986, his take on Mourinho is intriguing in a week that began with Ferguson backing the Real Madrid manager's ability to take charge of United, telling ITV4: "He can manage anywhere, absolutely." For Charlton, who embodies the values of the club better than anyone, Mourinho's antics last season do not befit a United manager.

One of the most uncomfortable entries on an ever-lengthening charge sheet was Mourinho's gouging of the eye of Tito Vilanova, then Barcelona's assistant coach, in the 2011 Spanish Super Cup. "A United manager wouldn't do that," Charlton says. "Mourinho is a really good coach but that's as far as I would go really. He's the manager of Real Madrid and we expect to play them in the Champions League by the end of the season."

When it is put to him that it is difficult to imagine a United manager being allowed to get away with some of Mourinho's behaviour, Charlton says: "You are right. He pontificates too much for my liking. He's a good manager, though."

But Ferguson admires Mourinho. "He doesn't like him too much, though," Charlton shoots back.

Strangely for such a 'clever' man, it seems that Mourinho didn't 'get' any of this and still went on that charm offensive about the club, thinking they'd hand the job to him.

After the game the Special One was the picture of humility as he admitted that United had outplayed his Madrid side and even claimed "the best side lost". The remark, possibly designed to butter up the United faithful, was picked up on by controversial ITV pundit Roy Keane, who commented "I think he's trying to be humble and it really doesn't suit him."

Ginsoak, meanwhile, was left still looking like the job was his gift to give, whilst secretly feeling like he'd had his real preference blocked.

So that let in Moyes as the safe man who wouldn't upset the directors or the sponsors but would be a safe pair of hands.

Now that hasn't worked, they face trying the same trick again, now knowing that they might end up with another man out of his depth, or tearing up the plan and gambling on getting someone with a monstrous ego who'll bully, cheat and bark his team back to the top.

Someone like Ginsoak, in other words.

 

[Judge Jules]

As much as Moyes has made his own mistakes and has to take responsibility for them, IMO the main element in their meltdown this season has been not who their manager is but who he isn't. Ferguson's a despicable human being but his managerial record - at least partly *because* he's such a total cnut - is extraordinary, so following him was always going to be nigh on impossible and whoever got the job first was almost bound to fail. I think they knew that in the Old Toilet boardroom (not least after their experience when Busby stood down) and appointed someone who they thought would at least be tough enough to take the enormous pressure involved. I doubt they budgeted for such a rapid rate of decline though (or indeed such a visible decline in the manager himself - looking at Moyes these days makes me think of the phrase "dead man walking" in a very literal sense).

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

As much as Moyes has made his own mistakes and has to take responsibility for them, IMO the main element in their meltdown this season has been not who their manager is but who he isn't. Ferguson's a despicable human being but his managerial record - at least partly *because* he's such a total cnut - is extraordinary, so following him was always going to be nigh on impossible and whoever got the job first was almost bound to fail. I think they knew that in the Old Toilet boardroom (not least after their experience when Busby stood down) and appointed someone who they thought would at least be tough enough to take the enormous pressure involved. I doubt they budgeted for such a rapid rate of decline though (or indeed such a visible decline in the manager himself - looking at Moyes these days makes me think of the phrase "dead man walking" in a very literal sense).

Haha, was just saying to my brother half an hour ago that Moyes has a haunted look to him, he looks colourless, grey infact, very much like the old spitting image puppet of John Major.

 

[737Max]

Christ not more sympathy for Moyes

 

[Judge Jules]

Yes mate - even (perhaps especially) because he went to a club which has the devil on its badge.

Signed Christ.

 

[Halmeister]

I'm worried we weren't very smart yesterday with our performance. We should have let them get at least a decent chance, maybe even a goal, so that the pitchforks wouldn't be out in force amongst the Mancs. We want Moyes there as long as possible. If they don't get through against Olympiakos he's a goner, I think. Shame.

 

[Judge Jules]

Fair comment, but would you be able to put the brakes on if you were out there mugging the Mancs off on their own onion patch? I defo wouldn't.

 

[Halmeister]

Fair comment, but would you be able to put the brakes on if you were out there mugging the Mancs off on their own onion patch? I defo wouldn't.

Haha no I suppose not. I was speaking firmly with my tongue in my cheek, though. I just hope they don't sack him and he gets another season at the very least.

 

[StevieM]

Enter Mourinho - he could easily do an Inter with them. The only positive is he'd not stick around too long.

I reckon that would just about make them an even more hateful club than ever before.

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Inter where the dominant team in Italy though when Maureen took over - hadn't they won the league 3 years on the trot - juventes had been relegated & AC Milan where in free fall after their great team of give early/mid 90's broke up.

Anyway - I agree with the last paragraph.

 

[doctor_mac]

I heard the manc directors made a very conscious decision to choose a successor in terms of fitting their profile, which stressed the importance of 'competence + character', instead of just going for anyone so long as he was a proven winner. That was partly motivated by an extreme aversion some directors had to Mourinho (unlike Ginsoak himself, who was surprised to find there was so much resistance to the man). So after that decision was made, Bobby Charlton was given the task of making some public comments that basically sent out the message that Mourhino didn't fit the profile. Here's one:




Strangely for such a 'clever' man, it seems that Mourinho didn't 'get' any of this and still went on that charm offensive about the club, thinking they'd hand the job to him.




Ginsoak, meanwhile, was left still looking like the job was his gift to give, whilst secretly feeling like he'd had his real preference blocked.

So that let in Moyes as the safe man who wouldn't upset the directors or the sponsors but would be a safe pair of hands.

Now that hasn't worked, they face trying the same trick again, now knowing that they might end up with another man out of his depth, or tearing up the plan and gambling on getting someone with a monstrous ego who'll bully, cheat and bark his team back to the top.

Someone like Ginsoak, in other words.

Interesting stuff GK.

 

[keniget]

It is given that the general opinion out there appears to be that Moyes is Ferguson's man. It'd be funny if that wasn't the case.

As for Moyes, he's taking all of this quite badly. The press have been very easy on him - I watched his interview on the BBC after game and they gave him as easy a ride as they could've done - and the supporters have been pretty easy on him too given what's been served up to them this season. Al of that makes his catty responses to straightforward questions even more amusing - dude is walking around in a nightmare and is pretty fucking angry about it.

It feels like the tide is turning on those fronts now anyways. If he didn't like it before he better hope it doesn't get any worse before it gets better.

 

[the count]

I heard the manc directors made a very conscious decision to choose a successor in terms of fitting their profile, which stressed the importance of 'competence + character', instead of just going for anyone so long as he was a proven winner. That was partly motivated by an extreme aversion some directors had to Mourinho (unlike Ginsoak himself, who was surprised to find there was so much resistance to the man). So after that decision was made, Bobby Charlton was given the task of making some public comments that basically sent out the message that Mourhino didn't fit the profile. Here's one:




Strangely for such a 'clever' man, it seems that Mourinho didn't 'get' any of this and still went on that charm offensive about the club, thinking they'd hand the job to him.




Ginsoak, meanwhile, was left still looking like the job was his gift to give, whilst secretly feeling like he'd had his real preference blocked.

So that let in Moyes as the safe man who wouldn't upset the directors or the sponsors but would be a safe pair of hands.

Now that hasn't worked, they face trying the same trick again, now knowing that they might end up with another man out of his depth, or tearing up the plan and gambling on getting someone with a monstrous ego who'll bully, cheat and bark his team back to the top.

Someone like Ginsoak, in other words.

To be fair to the Man U board, having endured an odious bullying cunt for the previous twenty six years you can understand why they would be reluctant to hire another one