Sack-Ho or keep?
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I rated Sakho at PSG, and my tendency would be to say 'he'll be better when he's got someone commanding alongside him' but like Ryan has said in another thread, you can say that about all our centre backs.
The only caveat with Sakho is he's had the least time to adapt to a) English Football and b) Brendan's system, but he doesn't inspire much confidence in me; the same is true for Skrtel (despite his good form), Agger or Kolo.
The only caveat with Sakho is he's had the least time to adapt to a) English Football and b) Brendan's system, but he doesn't inspire much confidence in me; the same is true for Skrtel (despite his good form), Agger or Kolo.
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but ,but ,he has an amazing 99.56% passing rating for his 3.2 meter passes .
On a scale of Djimi to Thuram, he's still a little closer to the Djimi corner.
I'm really undecided about him.A decent bid would certainly tempt me.
At this late stage of the season, I would have been far more at ease with the experience of Agger.
I'm really undecided about him.A decent bid would certainly tempt me.
At this late stage of the season, I would have been far more at ease with the experience of Agger.
Thought he was in the top 3 yesterday after Allen and Suarez.
Highlighting him after yesterdays defeat is a bit shortsighted.
The defence as a whole were not good enough from 70 mins to the end.
But the midfield was long gone and our full backs were high up the field.
At 3-1 we should have closed up shop instead of gun hoing forward.
Johnson and Lucas are the two biggest worries for me.
Highlighting him after yesterdays defeat is a bit shortsighted.
The defence as a whole were not good enough from 70 mins to the end.
But the midfield was long gone and our full backs were high up the field.
At 3-1 we should have closed up shop instead of gun hoing forward.
Johnson and Lucas are the two biggest worries for me.
Before we start chopping and changing, perhaps we should get to the bottom of why the defence is as leaky as it is. Is it an issue with player quality - and if so, who and where? Or are they basically good defenders who just lack a proper leader? Maybe it's the way we set up at the back? Is coaching the issue? Why do we keep dropping too deep when we know it's the wrong thing to do? Even then, why do we have the mental strength of tofu?
Cool heads need to prevail to do a thorough analysis and study to figure out what exactly is the cause before we throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Cool heads need to prevail to do a thorough analysis and study to figure out what exactly is the cause before we throw out the baby with the bathwater.
There's loads of reasons really. Being too exposed, lacking a natural leader like Carra, poor defensive nous from the midfield. Our centre backs cover alot of ground at the back. Skrtel looked like he was being instructed to step into midfield to head clear and it looked like Pullis targetted the flick-on in the second half, to get in behind. That and instructing players to run at Johnson, also knowing that the covering Skrtel was on a yellow..
Not sure exactly who to blame for last night to be honest. I do think the centre backs do get pulled too far apart. But that is the whole point of Gerrards deep sitting role really. Someone pointed the finger at Glenjo and Lucas and that seems about right. Glenjo was getting up there OK but just kept running into people and then having to try and get back. Lucas is such a plodding player it's difficult to see what he brings to the team, in and around our box he is a liability.
The one person who's fault this really is us Hendos for stupidly getting sent off.
Having said that I think the pressure of all these cup finals has got to them all and we have run out of steam
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The one person who's fault this really is us Hendos for stupidly getting sent off.
Having said that I think the pressure of all these cup finals has got to them all and we have run out of steam
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Sakho was only culpable for the 2nd goal yesterday (along with the rest of the team).
But like it's been said, we're lacking a leader at the back (and frankly, in the team). Where's the fcuk was Gerrard at 3-2? The slip against Chelsea was forgivable. The lack of leadership yesterday and going AWOL at the 3rd goal, wasn't.
But like it's been said, we're lacking a leader at the back (and frankly, in the team). Where's the fcuk was Gerrard at 3-2? The slip against Chelsea was forgivable. The lack of leadership yesterday and going AWOL at the 3rd goal, wasn't.
What? Why would anyone get rid of an obviously talented cb in his first season in England who hasn't play a game for 4 months.
Don't be daft. Sakho is the least of our worries
Don't be daft. Sakho is the least of our worries
Gerrard had a decent penalty shout on the corner that lead to 3-2 imho. Coutinho should have taken a professional foul on Bolasie. But its easy to look at those situations today.
The unforgiveable part is emptying midfield in the manner we did and let them run at us 3 on 3 more than once.
Gerrard, Lucas and Allen were nowhere to be seen.
Johnson got murdered by Bolasie and what Skrtel decided to do on 3-3 was just awful.
Not good enough defensively. Not by the back 5 but also as a team.
Hopefully Rodgers can sort it out this summer.
Sakho isn't the problem here. As Ross said, Johnson and Flannagan spend most of the time up in the other half. Obviously this leaves our CBs dangerously exposed. However, we play attacking football and that's the risk you take. That's 1 problem.
For those saying that he's defending too deep (think it was in the post match thread, surely this is a coaching issue? Or at worst a Skrtel issue, with him being the "commanding" centre back.
Personally I really like Sakho. He looks awkward on the ball, but it's becoming more and more apparent that it's just his style of play and he knows what he's at.
However, that missed head at the other end was unforgivable.
For those saying that he's defending too deep (think it was in the post match thread, surely this is a coaching issue? Or at worst a Skrtel issue, with him being the "commanding" centre back.
Personally I really like Sakho. He looks awkward on the ball, but it's becoming more and more apparent that it's just his style of play and he knows what he's at.
However, that missed head at the other end was unforgivable.
When President Richard Nixon went on his historic trip to China in 1972, he was finding conversation with Chinese premier Chou En Lai rather hard work. Having been briefed that Chou En Lai had an interest in French history, Nixon asked him had been the impact of the French revolution on western civilization. Chou En-Lai considered the question for a few moments. Finally, he turned to Nixon and replied, "The impact of the French revolution on western civilization - too early to tell."
That's what I think about the impact of Sakho.
That's what I think about the impact of Sakho.
Worringly I find hard to make a case for keeping Agger, Johnson, Wisdom, Kelly, Sakho or Enrique. Toure is a decent 4th choice CB and Flanagan deserves a chance to stake a claim to the RB spot next season. Skrtel has been magnificent this season and maybe it could be worth trying him and Ilori in a few pre-season friendlies.
One question I have is whether the clear lack of mental strength in the back five when we're being pressured a symptom of a deeper problem, or a problem root cause in and of itself.
I cannot think of another team in the league this season that constantly panics when they let in a goal even if they have a 2- or 3-goal margin. Is the panic caused by players' lack of confidence in our defensive system? Or is the panic caused by character traits like mental fragility and lack of determination? Also - is our panic a chain reaction effect - e.g. one or two guys panic and start fucking up, resulting in others having to cover and thus, appearing panicky?
I cannot think of another team in the league this season that constantly panics when they let in a goal even if they have a 2- or 3-goal margin. Is the panic caused by players' lack of confidence in our defensive system? Or is the panic caused by character traits like mental fragility and lack of determination? Also - is our panic a chain reaction effect - e.g. one or two guys panic and start fucking up, resulting in others having to cover and thus, appearing panicky?
Can't see it personally but I hope you're right.
Give him time for fuck's sake.
Skrtel took years to look anything resembling a premier league player for us. Henderson, Allen, Flanagan, etc. Every one of those guys took at least a year.
Sakho can play - he's got the attributes; strong, quick, decent on the ball, and he's young. He needs somebody beside him to tell him what to do and to educate him into becoming a better centre back - but then so has every single top CB in Europe. Terry got fucking schooled by Carvalho, Carragher was no centre back until big Sami took him by the hand, Campbell was ropey as shite at Spurs and then morphed into the best CB in the game once Tony Adams got near him at Arsenal.
CB's - more than any other position on the ground - take time to learn the game properly, and to be confident enough to marshall a defence. Sakho's shown enough this season to be given the opportunity and time to develop.
Chris, if we're gonna give Agger and Skrtel 6+ years and still make excuses for them, then I'm more than happy to give this kid a bit more than 12 months.
Skrtel took years to look anything resembling a premier league player for us. Henderson, Allen, Flanagan, etc. Every one of those guys took at least a year.
Sakho can play - he's got the attributes; strong, quick, decent on the ball, and he's young. He needs somebody beside him to tell him what to do and to educate him into becoming a better centre back - but then so has every single top CB in Europe. Terry got fucking schooled by Carvalho, Carragher was no centre back until big Sami took him by the hand, Campbell was ropey as shite at Spurs and then morphed into the best CB in the game once Tony Adams got near him at Arsenal.
CB's - more than any other position on the ground - take time to learn the game properly, and to be confident enough to marshall a defence. Sakho's shown enough this season to be given the opportunity and time to develop.
Chris, if we're gonna give Agger and Skrtel 6+ years and still make excuses for them, then I'm more than happy to give this kid a bit more than 12 months.
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I usually agree about giving players time which is why I always backed Henderson and Allen to come good as I'd seen enough talent to justify patience. The difference with Sakho is that I'm yet to see any positive signs as yet....he lacks composure, has poor ball control and lacks awareness (of his own teammates positioning as well as the opposition).
Keep for now. I think its more a case of finding a decent defence coach... I am hoping Alan Hansen is the man for the job, he certainly knows what he is talking about.... Shame Carra didnt stay in a coaching capacity, he'd get them organised.
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