Most of them are.
And that's why they shouldn't be given any more power than is absolutely necessary. Let them coach and pick the team, because that's all they're qualified to do. (And that's Michael Laudrup's view if the UEFA badges, not mine)
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Most of them are.
And that's why they shouldn't be given any more power than is absolutely necessary. Let them coach and pick the team, because that's all they're qualified to do. (And that's Michael Laudrup's view if the UEFA badges, not mine)
Fallows and Hunter weren’t headhunted by Rodgers but the appointments by Fenway Sports Group have his blessing.
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now i am not saying unleash a witch hunt but i reckon it will do no harm having a little bit of pressure applied on rodgers and the club. He's had a decent settling in period and despite a very average first season he's had a very easy ride .The honeymoon period is over .
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Is that quote legit? I mean what on earth is he on about??
I don't understand why managers don't embrace that. If it is made public that their job is to just coach the team, in a club like Liverpool, it actually protects them if the signings turn out to be shit. I can understand the rationale behind one man changing the culture of the club in the 80s and 90s like Ferguson and Wenger did as football was operating in the dark ages in those clubs. Ferguson and Wenger shook the entire culture of the club and bought in modernity, new dieting, exercise regime, improved quality of coaching in the academy etc. There was a need for a revolution and one man with a strong personality to head that revolution.
With LFC, from what I understand we have been operating in a modern way since the last few seasons of Houllier. So I am not sure why our managers are trying to control every aspect of the clubs operation. Shut up and just focus on coaching and tactically drilling the team.They would last longer in their jobs. Instead they spend 3 years wasting a lot of money and time, removing all aspects of the previous setup and installing their own men everywhere and promptly collapse.
Our managers are trying too hard to be Shankly, Paisley, Ferguson, Wenger type of large than life figures. They should realize that one of the reasons why these men were so successful is their ability to delegate and trust the setup.
Blimey, that's a terrible comment if the lad is 20. Or is he not expecting to be about in a couple of years time? I thought he said that he wanted the youth players ready for the first team by the time they're 21'ish
No one can scout players at that speed.
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Rodgers talking to Ian, whilst travelling by train at 200mph somewhere near Sevilla:
- Was that not footballers my eye did see? The name... Albert.. Alberto.. comes to mind... Ian, is there an Alberto at Sevilla? He looked so tiny and blurry, but talented. Talent we could perhaps already get to see in 10 years time, like that Illori chap I saw from the plain that one time.
It's not even as if he's immature. He's a freakishly self-assured character (not cocky but just remarkably calm, confident and focussed) and already looks like a senior player alongside others in his age group. I know he'll take some time to get used to the pace and physical aspects of the league, but he's the last young player I'd expect to need a long spell either in the ressies or on loan. Thommo was playing in an FA Cup final when he was Ilori's age. It's just a strange thing to be saying, unless Rodgers now feels like he's bought too many CBs and hasn't a clue how to accommodate them all - in which case Ilori isn't one for the future, he's one for the exit door, which would be a huge shame, because he's a really classy Lawro-type player with plenty of potential.
Strange comment on Llori, could have been a mis-statement.
Anyway, can we stop getting the boot into the manager? how long have you all been posting on these boards? you know signing players, when you are NOT finishing in the top 4 is a tough schtick. And for any manager signing players can go either way.
yes, Allen and Borini are Aspas bad signings. Yes, Alberto, Lllori are future signings when we need the here and now.
But Sakho, Phillippe, Sturridge and Mignolet are solid buys, 3 bad, 4 good, and 2 for the future isn't the end of the world. The manager just lost us a game, we can't say that very often, so let's not be bi polar and start getting stuck in (essentially doing the tabloids job). The tone of those articles above was so classically tabloid snide. It's the same old media shite with jaded nasty people like the Brendan J's of the world getting their kick in, while the manager is a little vulnerable. It's not just snide, it's incorrect
Anyway, can we stop getting the boot into the manager? how long have you all been posting on these boards? you know signing players, when you are NOT finishing in the top 4 is a tough schtick. And for any manager signing players can go either way.
yes, Allen and Borini are Aspas bad signings. Yes, Alberto, Lllori are future signings when we need the here and now.
But Sakho, Phillippe, Sturridge and Mignolet are solid buys, 3 bad, 4 good, and 2 for the future isn't the end of the world. The manager just lost us a game, we can't say that very often, so let's not be bi polar and start getting stuck in (essentially doing the tabloids job). The tone of those articles above was so classically tabloid snide. It's the same old media shite with jaded nasty people like the Brendan J's of the world getting their kick in, while the manager is a little vulnerable. It's not just snide, it's incorrect
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I can only talk for myself of course, but I have still got faith in him I guess.
However the blatant lack of a red thread when it comes to transfers, in my opinion we have only had on good window with Rodgers in charge and that was last January, our style of play, one week we pass and move then next we kick and rush, and his choice of players, makes me wonder whether he is actually the right man for the job.
This is not about him not picking Agger, but more so down to the fact he is dropping players week in week out to accommodate the opponents and seemingly not knowing how to get the best out of the ones he pick. I don't know whether it is down to a lack of confidence in his players or a lack of knowledge about them. It does seem strange, likewise the fact a lot of them tire too early.
I guess we will beat Norwich, but still he could be under immense pressure come Christmas, I mean with the list of fixtures coming up, we could be heading for a right dive in the table. He will probably not keep his job if that happens.
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that's all we need , a manager taking digs at the owners / club . Well at least i still have my "yanks out" banner for when i get the SoS call to march .
Is Ilori Welsh in your head?
Its astounding how people turn the prospects of the club completely on its head after one game. Rodgers has alot to learn in many respects but he's done alot of good aswell. I don't remember many managers having a perfect transfer record, and he was left with a mess to start with.
I think you'll find in the credit to Rodgers thread I pointed out that I didn't see what he deserved credit for.
On the flip side I don't understand why changing tactics is such a bad thing from time to time. Pep Guardiola had Bayern play long ball football to counteract Dortmunds pressing in midfield and they won 3-1. We need to be flexible.
We really do Ross. He's a decent manager, who's made some good buys, he's helped turn the club around, and taken us to a better place. No-one knows if he's the chosen one, but we'll find out. He's going in the right direction, but no-one says he's infallible.
For me, even the great managers get credit for things they didn't deserve. It's a mesh of luck, timing, and ability, but not all ability
For me, even the great managers get credit for things they didn't deserve. It's a mesh of luck, timing, and ability, but not all ability
I'm not being sarky at all but how has he helped turn the club around? Are we really that better off, serious question. Seems to me we will probably finish 6 or 7th this season despite spending a reasonable amount of cash, our fixture list was very easy for the start of the season compared to last year. We have sold a midfielder ( Shelvey ) and not replaced him. I don't think we have played two good halves of football in the same match since he has been here.
Agree with your last point though.
It's very minimal so far if we're being honest. So far he's had us bomb out of three domestic competitions, twice to lower league teams, and run out of ideas in one European competition, whilst ending up one position higher in the league. This season looks more promising, but let's cut out the old 'it was the direst situation in history when he took over and now it's all sunshine and light' bollocks (it's SO last season) and just sit back and see what he does and doesn't achieve.
Its just bizarre, you would think it was a piss take if you didn't know any better.
Well this is it, I think people exaggerate both ways to be honest, he's made mistakes and he's done good. I don't think people can really say it's minimal improvement. Kenny was dealt a shit hand in having to pick up the pieces of what Rafa and then Hodgson left us with, but he then went and spent big on poor buys. Rodgers has proven nothing in cup competition, but has given us more consistency in the league if we go off our form this calendar year. His spending has been as hit and miss as his PR exercises.
It was dire when he took over, don't take that as a slight on Kenny, it was a culmination of years of wastefulness, poor ownership and a lack of support in key roles at the club. You know I said enough times that Kenny could have been given time to put it right by going off his first half a season and him getting to two cup finals. I don't think Rodgers has veered too far away from what Kenny did in the league during those first 6 months, and if it was promising enough then, it's promising enough now.
not you too now Macca. Oh how sharper than a serpents tooth and all that 😉
We had an AWFUL and OVERPAID team that were demoralized. Now we have an Above Average to Good team, who don't seem as overpaid.
We have young prospects coming through more than in the past. They are getting a chance, we may not be persisting, but they are getting a chance.
We went on an incredibly good run this Calendar year - it's rare we lose games. You know this is a good one Macca, and Tony.
In general, we're beating the teams we should be beating. It's not like when Kenny was in charge, when you had no idea how we would win games.
We've got some great attacking talent, unlike before. We've replaced Downing and Carroll with Sturridge and Phillipe.
That's all I can get the time for now.
An old sausage like you should know to suspend the harsh judgement on these disappointing weeks. (as long as they are few and far between).
Ha ha. I just think the contrasts are very much exaggerated but I'm ambivalent about this season. The league seems so poor ("excitingly competitive," as Sky would put it) that you can get away with quite a bit before doing worse in terms of league position, which is quite reassuring. Performance wise, apart from some really attractive performances against poor opponents, I've not seen many that live up to Rodgers' self-hype since the City game last season. But as I've said many times, I think he's bought superbly in Coutinho and Sturridge, and clearly wants to play the right way, so I'm desperate for him to do well. I'm just not going to get ahead of what's actually there.
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