Reina, Johnson, Gerrard
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Johnson was good today.
Gerrard just looks like he's over thinking things and playing within himself as a result.
Can't fault Reina today.
Suarez is a proper headless chicken, who needs to play smarter. However, he's quality and a threat.
Didn't see enough tonight from Allen or Borini.
Gerrard just looks like he's over thinking things and playing within himself as a result.
Can't fault Reina today.
Suarez is a proper headless chicken, who needs to play smarter. However, he's quality and a threat.
Didn't see enough tonight from Allen or Borini.
Nope. Look we battered Sunderland away, which is no mean feat.
They scored with their one chance, admittedly as a result of a joke of a challenge from Johnson. However, even for that run, they got lucky with the ricochet off Suarez.
You can't be moaning after a game like that.
They scored with their one chance, admittedly as a result of a joke of a challenge from Johnson. However, even for that run, they got lucky with the ricochet off Suarez.
You can't be moaning after a game like that.
Zackly. We all knew things would take time to gel. The season's barely started FFS.
JJ, you know me better than that, I'm not dissing the team, those three have been suspect for a while, and the Johnson issue is an age old (not without reason) tirade.
Mark, there are few if any posters with whom I agree as consistently as you, but I'm not with you this time. Reina I'll give you, but I don't think Stevie or Magic have been consistently suspect and I simply don't accept that Magic's defensive play is as poor as you and some others try to claim. He makes mistakes, but no more so than numerous others and, if he really had been a winger, one of the numerous managers he's played for would have converted him into one by now.
What about Johnson's great last ditch tackle?
You can't take one moment in isolation and judge their ability on that.
Johnson will never be the greatest defender but he is a decent fullback. However, added to his defensive abilities, he's one of the best fullbacks going forward. Plus, don't forget, he's playing on his wrong side.
We need a left back, not a replacement for Johnson.
You can't take one moment in isolation and judge their ability on that.
Johnson will never be the greatest defender but he is a decent fullback. However, added to his defensive abilities, he's one of the best fullbacks going forward. Plus, don't forget, he's playing on his wrong side.
We need a left back, not a replacement for Johnson.
Reina - don't really see what he did wrong today?
Gerrard - in the first half. he was strolling around like a player who had just run his arse off for England on Wednesday. In the 2nd half, when we were losing, he started to play well and looking like he cared again.
Johnson - I actually agree that he's a poor defender NOW. But we're not really asking him to defend much in our new system. The little he does, one on ones inparticular, he doesn't do well anymore. He exposed on Wednesday for England and exposed today a few times. Compared to a player like Ashley Cole who provides a similar threat going forward but also seems to take pride in his defence work and not getting beaten like a dope, Johnson looks half-arsed when it comes to defending, like it's something someone else should be doing. It's a strange one, because I think he's always been like this but 2 years back, he looked a stone leaner and had better recovery pace so when a winger knocked it past him, he'd accelerate, recover and a block in. Maybe it's simply age catching up, but now, he seems a lot slower in doing this. And oppositions players, who aren't exceptionally fast seem to breeze past him and he barely recovers.
I appreciate he's better at right back, than left back, but it's the lack of pride or care, when he gets beaten that concerns me and pisses me off. Like Gerrard, i'd describe everything he does right now as "leisurely". That's until we're losing of course, when again like Stevie, he decides to actually start getting his arse into gear.
Special mentions to Borini and Shelvey in this thread.
Borini - Invisible.
Shelvey - I hear there's talent, but right now i'm not really seeing it. He gets into good positions, i'll give him that, but I don't see the skill/intelligence there to execute the final pass/shot. Frustrating player.
Gerrard - in the first half. he was strolling around like a player who had just run his arse off for England on Wednesday. In the 2nd half, when we were losing, he started to play well and looking like he cared again.
Johnson - I actually agree that he's a poor defender NOW. But we're not really asking him to defend much in our new system. The little he does, one on ones inparticular, he doesn't do well anymore. He exposed on Wednesday for England and exposed today a few times. Compared to a player like Ashley Cole who provides a similar threat going forward but also seems to take pride in his defence work and not getting beaten like a dope, Johnson looks half-arsed when it comes to defending, like it's something someone else should be doing. It's a strange one, because I think he's always been like this but 2 years back, he looked a stone leaner and had better recovery pace so when a winger knocked it past him, he'd accelerate, recover and a block in. Maybe it's simply age catching up, but now, he seems a lot slower in doing this. And oppositions players, who aren't exceptionally fast seem to breeze past him and he barely recovers.
I appreciate he's better at right back, than left back, but it's the lack of pride or care, when he gets beaten that concerns me and pisses me off. Like Gerrard, i'd describe everything he does right now as "leisurely". That's until we're losing of course, when again like Stevie, he decides to actually start getting his arse into gear.
Special mentions to Borini and Shelvey in this thread.
Borini - Invisible.
Shelvey - I hear there's talent, but right now i'm not really seeing it. He gets into good positions, i'll give him that, but I don't see the skill/intelligence there to execute the final pass/shot. Frustrating player.
Johnson's mistake allowed the cross, Skrtel's shit defending and ball watching allowed the goal to be scored.
And why do people think Johnson should be played on the wing? What evidence is there to suggest he can play there?
And why do people think Johnson should be played on the wing? What evidence is there to suggest he can play there?
Stop splitting hairs. He fucked up. What evidence is there that hes a good reliable defender? Oh.
Gerrard should be dropped or moved to forward position. He is losing possesion and in dangerous areas.
Problem is of those 3 players johnson has been easily the best this season, thats not to say hes been great, not at all. But lets face it Pepe and Gerrard have been embarrassing this season, Reina is going through the worst spell I can remember from him in a Liverpool shirt and Gerrard well to be honest Im struggling to remember the last good game he had.
This team has lots of problems but Johnson doesnt stand out for me as one of them, hes a good attacking fullback being played out of position in a team thats defending like a Sunday league outfit. If our biggest problem was Johnsons occasional cock ups then we would be potential league winners, as it stands we have much much bigger problems than that.
He has always done that, the difference is that now our team is reliant on strangling the opposition through lack of possession its far more damaging than it used to be. Im not sure how much longer Gerrard can continue to be included in the first team if he plays this way, he is not there on merit at the moment and the more worrying thing is that hes not showing any signs of adapting to the systems, he continues to play his own game.
If we get battered by Utd next week then I think he will be dropped. Hes either not trying to adapt or not capable of adapting we will find out soon enough which one it is
He has always done that, the difference is that now our team is reliant on strangling the opposition through lack of possession its far more damaging than it used to be. Im not sure how much longer Gerrard can continue to be included in the first team if he plays this way, he is not there on merit at the moment and the more worrying thing is that hes not showing any signs of adapting to the systems, he continues to play his own game.
If we get battered by Utd next week then I think he will be dropped. Hes either not trying to adapt or not capable of adapting we will find out soon enough which one it is
I dont, I think his status at the club is giving him a pass from alot of people, if another one of our players were putting in those sorts of performances people would be alot more vocal about removing them from the team, the case in point is Johnson who has played pretty well this season made a couple of mistakes and is getting slated, while Gerrard has been awful in every game and people cut him a tremendous amount of slack
His positioning is still bad though, Shelvey was clearly designated the free attacking role with Gerrard sitting behind with Allen, as usual he kept wandering leaving Allen badly isolated at times in the middle by himself. Plus as always he has a tendency to try and force the play too much, its not always a bad thing but it can be when it its over ambitious and turns over possession with too many over players committed forward
You expect too much from Gerrard and some of you are just fickle.
If he scored from that chance he got in the 2nd half he would have been in everyone's top 3.
Try looking at what Gerrard is doing and not what you're expecting him to do.
The point is, he wasn't as bad as some of you think and he definitely shouldn't be dropped.
If he scored from that chance he got in the 2nd half he would have been in everyone's top 3.
Try looking at what Gerrard is doing and not what you're expecting him to do.
The point is, he wasn't as bad as some of you think and he definitely shouldn't be dropped.
This is a very strange thread indeed. I couldn't see the match as it started at 00.30 over here and I had to be up at 05.30. But I went straight to the 6CM MoM and what did I find ? Johnson in almost everyone's Top 3. Weird or what considering how shite he was, or supposedly was. I'll see for myself during the re-run on Tuesday !
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