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PSG interested in Coutinho

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What crap? It was confirmed by the Echo aswell. 3 clubs have shown an interest.

How does the echo or even the club know if as the tweet stated they are yet to contact LFC. Unless PSG, barca and the like call journos to let them know before the club of course.

And how does he know it's only 3 clubs. I'm interested in signing coutinho for my work team and I'm yet to contact LFC. Does that make it 4? Maybe I should call Paul Joyce.
 
How does the echo or even the club know if as the tweet stated they are yet to contact LFC. Unless PSG, barca and the like call journos to let them know before the club of course.

And how does he know it's only 3 clubs. I'm interested in signing coutinho for my work team and I'm yet to contact LFC. Does that make it 4? Maybe I should call Paul Joyce.
Don't reporters try to form relationships with agents?
That would be the only realistic source of info in this case.
 
If we sell Coutinho we're dickheads and we're keeping up our habit of not being able to keep hold of good players. We used to lose players after we'd got the best out of them, now it seems as soon as they are anywhere near their peak, we lose them.

If we sell him then we are a bunch of no-hopers, and he'd better cut out the shite interviews too.
 
I'd take 40m every single day for him.

Depends on currency and how long you are talking about. If its £40M every single day for a year, then I agree I woudl be tempted to sell, especially as we are in a leap year we would actually get £14.64B

However if it is €40M for every single day in a 24 hour period then I think at £31M we are underselling.
 
Coutinho is a good player @mark1975 is he as influential and consistent as Mascher, Alonso, Suarez, Torres, owen et al we've sold in the past decade plus? No, no he isn't.

He's far more replaceable than any others I asume you're referring to and im not convinced he's going to get any better, so if £40m is his peak value then you'd imagine we should take it
 
Coutinho is a good player @mark1975 is he as influential and consistent as Mascher, Alonso, Suarez, Torres, owen et al we've sold in the past decade plus? No, no he isn't.

He's far more replaceable than any others I asume you're referring to and im not convinced he's going to get any better, so if £40m is his peak value then you'd imagine we should take it

But this is it.

When we sold Torres he was top drawer, he was our best player alongside Gerrard. You could argue we effectively lost Torres and part of Gerrard, because his effectiveness dovetailed with Torres. You can say the same with Suarez, we sold him and lost something with Sturridge. The only other player he has effectively linked with consistently is Coutinho, who might now go. And so on and so on. All our best players leave, and we've now sunken to a level we're our best player might go and he might not be as good as the players who've gone before him, which is sort of indicative of where we are. And selling our best players has been fundamental in that.

We shouldn't sell him.
 
Firstly, Hes not our best player.

Secondly he's nowhere near as embedded into the side as those other players were, i dont want to proactively sell and lose him but if big money offers come in, we'd have to look very closely at his £ value against value to the club.
 
How does the echo or even the club know if as the tweet stated they are yet to contact LFC. Unless PSG, barca and the like call journos to let them know before the club of course.

And how does he know it's only 3 clubs. I'm interested in signing coutinho for my work team and I'm yet to contact LFC. Does that make it 4? Maybe I should call Paul Joyce.

I'd deffo call him.
 
Coutinho is a good player @mark1975 is he as influential and consistent as Mascher, Alonso, Suarez, Torres, owen et al we've sold in the past decade plus? No, no he isn't.

He's far more replaceable than any others I asume you're referring to and im not convinced he's going to get any better, so if £40m is his peak value then you'd imagine we should take it
But he's one of our best at the moment. You sell genuinely to upgrade. Experience has shown that whenever we have sold we haven't done the second part at all brilliantly. I'm utterly underwhelmed by our reported interest in Mane-- our penchant for over-paying for something similar to or arguably worse than what we already (they always look better over there, don't they?) have is why have frequently ended up competing for league position with these same teams from whom we poach their allegedly best players. Hopefully this is his agent (i.e. both players) angling for a better deal.
 
One of our best players individually, before he started to enjoy cutting in and shooting all the time instead of playing others in. But how important is he for the team as a unit?
I think his importance is overestimated.
 
Maybe, but I think this "cutting-in and shooting all the time" is also being overblown just as are the stats of those "over there" players.
 
One of our best players individually, before he started to enjoy cutting in and shooting all the time instead of playing others in. But how important is he for the team as a unit?
I think his importance is overestimated.

Just maybe Klopp told him to do that. It open up a lot of space in the attacking box when you have a player like Coutinho that is a good scorer from outside the box. Then the defense must attack him and not only cover the space in the box.
 
If you believe the journalist that usually have good info then Klopp want to build our attacking system around Coutinho. He will be the key player in the system.
 
I'd rather we bought quality to build around coutinho than sell him personally. But if an offer of £60m came in i'd take it. Wouldn't sell him for £45m.
 
I'd rather we bought quality to build around coutinho than sell him personally. But if an offer of £60m came in i'd take it. Wouldn't sell him for £45m.
So for the sake of 15m quid youre going to go from "Build a side around him" (so fundamentally altering the medium-term plans of the whole club), to ramming him out of the door quick-sharp???

Im not being snide (promise!) but I really dont understand this; and its not just you I see it from others too. It just smacks a little of Football Manager game strategies.
 
I said at the end of the season that he really needs to prove himself beyond doubt next time around. He HAS to show he can dominate big games, regularly, from start to finish. He's no longer a kid. He's heading towards his peak years, and he needs to play like it.
 
I said at the end of the season that he really needs to prove himself beyond doubt next time around. He HAS to show he can dominate big games, regularly, from start to finish. He's no longer a kid. He's heading towards his peak years, and he needs to play like it.

But not all players of his ilk dominate games from start to finish. Silva certainly doesn't, not unless players like Toure and co and are doing their jobs to allow him to flourish. We've stripped away alot of the quality that surrounded Coutinho, that allowed him to dominate games. He's a player who should be supplementing and supplying quality. His assist stats have been hit for starters by indifferent strikers playing infront of him since Suarez left and Sturridge got injury ravaged.

I get that he needs to push on, but there's more to it than him not improving vastly enough, he's not going to if the quality of the side deteriorates each season.
 
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I mean Coutinho should be our dominant presence during those big games. I don't mean he needs to do dramatic things all the time, but certainly in this squad, with his reputation, he should be the one who runs things in big games. Silva doesn't need to in that City team, at its best - they're spoilt for choice - but he could easily be the major player in a lesser team, and he'd have to be. You can't give a player like Coutinho the licence he gets if he's going to go missing. When that happens the whole team starts to lose coherence. If he's the player who pulls the strings, then he needs to pull the strings, not leave them limp when he doesn't fancy it.
 
I mean Coutinho should be our dominant presence during those big games. I don't mean he needs to do dramatic things all the time, but certainly in this squad, with his reputation, he should be the one who runs things in big games. Silva doesn't need to in that City team, at its best - they're spoilt for choice - but he could easily be the major player in a lesser team, and he'd have to be. You can't give a player like Coutinho the licence he gets if he's going to go missing. When that happens the whole team starts to lose coherence. If he's the player who pulls the strings, then he needs to pull the strings, not leave them limp when he doesn't fancy it.

Exactly. I will also add that I think his talent is a lot more wide-ranging than the way he currently uses it. He can be a really good playmaker in the Deco/Iniesta mould and for a while he seemed to be on his way to becoming one. But I think in Rodgers' final full season, when the burden of goal-scoring fell mostly on his and Sterling's shoulders, he started seeing himself as a kind of Neymar-like wing-forward, which he is not. Instead of pulling the strings and demanding the ball, he is now dependent on other players for service – the EL final was a painful culmination of that. That 28 passes in 90 minutes stat is so, so telling. If he does stay, I really hope Klopp works on him to utilize his talents to the fullest extent.
 
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This idea that Coutinho has to kick on to being a top class / world class / whatever player has been around for a couple seasons now and yeah, it would be great if he could iron out the kinks, kick on and become a superstar but would it be such a disaster if this is as good as he'll ever be?

I'd like to invite you all to look at our squad list again. Then revisit some of the squads from previous years. If only we had more players of Coutinho's calibre. I don't get the eagerness to criticize him at times. It feels more than simple frustration that he's not improving to me.

Yeah, when he first joined he looked more like an Aimar, Iniesta attacking midfielder type and unfortunately in the last 12-18 months he's at times looked more one-dimensional.

Why is that though?

Is it him seeing himself as more of a Neymar type (really?) Or is it the fact that he's played in a worsening team and slowly ended up being the sole source of goal threat (particularly true at the start of this season and at times last season).

Maybe another way to look at it is that he should be getting credit for being able to change his game and increase his goal output in a team that looked almost allergic to scoring goals for long periods rather than being berated for not playmaking his way to Iniesta like status.
 
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