He had no right to score full stop. Ramsdale had a shocker.
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5:42 above. It clearly put Jota in the clear. And by the time Jota first touches it, it's gone 30m.
But it didn't. And he still made 6 tackles and 1 assist. So although my theory could have been shit (but wasn't) your alternative version (ignoring the positives) clearly is.
Flexiterian
Ok, lets put this another way, seeing as you are so keen on using stats when it helps your narrative for and against certain players.
Stats don't account for Jota turning a half chance into a goal via good tenacity and poor goalkeeping, stats also don't account for a game risking back-pass being prevented from being a goal by top class goalkeeping.
As we've said millions on times, stats are good at giving an overall account of things like workrate, goals and creativity, but they don't tell "the story". Lucas used to have amazing passing stats, because he would play dozens of two yard sideways passes, so by that reckoning it skews actual observation via a false, selective perception.
But whatevs, we won. I just thought your stats guided ratings thing was laughable over the likes of Thiago.
MomoWASright
They didn't do it yesterday...
Except maybe Trent for Mane.
And no one is rimming him. He got given a 7, boosted by the game changing play.
Except maybe Trent for Mane.
And no one is rimming him. He got given a 7, boosted by the game changing play.
My ratings:
Alli 7.5 – that save on Odegaard could be remembered as one of the key moments of the season if we win it. Not much to do otherwise.
Trent 7.5 – by far our most creative passer in the 1st half and the only one who seemed capable of fashioning a chance, such as the lofted through ball for Mane on the brink of halftime. Beaten 1 on 1 by Martinelli several times in the first, but won his duels in the 2nd; Klopp seemed very happy with his defensive performance.
Matip 8 – extremely solid, great positioning and interceptions. Close 2nd to MOTM.
Van Dijk 7 – yes, Froggy, I think his relaxed manner yesterday didn't quite fit the flow of the game; we needed to up the tempo and match Arsenal's intensity and he kept slowing it down and inviting more pressure during the build-up. Also should have cut out Martinelli's cross that Lacazette fortunately didn't reach. Improved in the 2nd half and was more like his usual self.
Robertson 8 MOTM – made several key defensive interventions in the 1st half that could have resulted in a goal with a less committed and calm defending. The 2nd goal was classic Robbo – great energy to press and force Saka into a mistake, then a cool head to pick out Firmino in the only possible place he could score from.
Fabinho 7.5 – some excellent clean tackles just as an Arsenal player was getting ready to shoot. Looks to be getting back to his best form.
Thiago 7 – minus 0.5 for the attempted assist for Arsenal – in his defence, Van Dijk blocked his line of vision, so Thiago could not see Lacazette at that moment. I'm surprised people are overlooking his defensive contribution, particularly in the 2nd half – he timed his tackles and presses superbly, but because he was so often giving away fouls in the first 6 months here, some fans still seem to mistrust him. Time to let go of your first impressions, people, and see the actual player in front of you – he is our 2nd best midfield tackler and presser after Fabinho and this was yet another clean sheet when those 2 started together. Great assist, no matter what @Woland says.
Henderson 7 – hard to grade, I would say he was composed and useful, although unspectacular. We needed someone to carry the ball from midfield in the 1st half and that's not his game. Did a good job helping Trent stop Martinelli in the 2nd half.
Mane 5.5 – didn't look all that comfortable in his old RW position and the triangles we usually do with Hendo, Trent and Salah didn't work with him. Better when played through the middle after the subs. Too eager to go down; it was clear the ref didn't believe him (and even refused to whistle a couple of genuine fouls) – he needs to understand that overdoing it will lead to the opposite effect. Good run to open space for Jota's opener.
Jota 6.5 – typically quiet, but scored an all-important opening goal, showing no respect for Ramsdale with his near-post finish.
Diaz 5 – looked out of gas from the very beginning; all those games in a short amount of time probably finally caught up to him and this was his worst performance by far. Barely touched the ball, did OK on the few occasions he did get it, but clearly there wasn't anything in the tank.
SUBS:
Salah 6.5 – good passing and improved ball retention compared to Mane. Had one shot blocked shortly before Firmino's goal.
Firmino 8 – I thought he made a big impact; clearly loves playing against Arsenal and even besides the goal, his passing, pressing and combination play were excellent.
Jones n/a
Klopp 8 – once again changed the game with his subs and half-time tactical tweaks. It's a little bit worrying we are often being outplayed in 1st halves, but so far his changes and adjustments have always been spot-on.
Alli 7.5 – that save on Odegaard could be remembered as one of the key moments of the season if we win it. Not much to do otherwise.
Trent 7.5 – by far our most creative passer in the 1st half and the only one who seemed capable of fashioning a chance, such as the lofted through ball for Mane on the brink of halftime. Beaten 1 on 1 by Martinelli several times in the first, but won his duels in the 2nd; Klopp seemed very happy with his defensive performance.
Matip 8 – extremely solid, great positioning and interceptions. Close 2nd to MOTM.
Van Dijk 7 – yes, Froggy, I think his relaxed manner yesterday didn't quite fit the flow of the game; we needed to up the tempo and match Arsenal's intensity and he kept slowing it down and inviting more pressure during the build-up. Also should have cut out Martinelli's cross that Lacazette fortunately didn't reach. Improved in the 2nd half and was more like his usual self.
Robertson 8 MOTM – made several key defensive interventions in the 1st half that could have resulted in a goal with a less committed and calm defending. The 2nd goal was classic Robbo – great energy to press and force Saka into a mistake, then a cool head to pick out Firmino in the only possible place he could score from.
Fabinho 7.5 – some excellent clean tackles just as an Arsenal player was getting ready to shoot. Looks to be getting back to his best form.
Thiago 7 – minus 0.5 for the attempted assist for Arsenal – in his defence, Van Dijk blocked his line of vision, so Thiago could not see Lacazette at that moment. I'm surprised people are overlooking his defensive contribution, particularly in the 2nd half – he timed his tackles and presses superbly, but because he was so often giving away fouls in the first 6 months here, some fans still seem to mistrust him. Time to let go of your first impressions, people, and see the actual player in front of you – he is our 2nd best midfield tackler and presser after Fabinho and this was yet another clean sheet when those 2 started together. Great assist, no matter what @Woland says.
Henderson 7 – hard to grade, I would say he was composed and useful, although unspectacular. We needed someone to carry the ball from midfield in the 1st half and that's not his game. Did a good job helping Trent stop Martinelli in the 2nd half.
Mane 5.5 – didn't look all that comfortable in his old RW position and the triangles we usually do with Hendo, Trent and Salah didn't work with him. Better when played through the middle after the subs. Too eager to go down; it was clear the ref didn't believe him (and even refused to whistle a couple of genuine fouls) – he needs to understand that overdoing it will lead to the opposite effect. Good run to open space for Jota's opener.
Jota 6.5 – typically quiet, but scored an all-important opening goal, showing no respect for Ramsdale with his near-post finish.
Diaz 5 – looked out of gas from the very beginning; all those games in a short amount of time probably finally caught up to him and this was his worst performance by far. Barely touched the ball, did OK on the few occasions he did get it, but clearly there wasn't anything in the tank.
SUBS:
Salah 6.5 – good passing and improved ball retention compared to Mane. Had one shot blocked shortly before Firmino's goal.
Firmino 8 – I thought he made a big impact; clearly loves playing against Arsenal and even besides the goal, his passing, pressing and combination play were excellent.
Jones n/a
Klopp 8 – once again changed the game with his subs and half-time tactical tweaks. It's a little bit worrying we are often being outplayed in 1st halves, but so far his changes and adjustments have always been spot-on.
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Kids are wankers
You gotta love Robbo.
I’m still annoyed Arsenal and arteta are starting to look decent, they haven’t spent nearly enough time in irrelevancy. Feels like they really lucked out pulling Saka and Martinelli out of the arses too.
Hopefully their resolve to keep the manager and better players gets tested in the summer.
Hopefully their resolve to keep the manager and better players gets tested in the summer.
I'd take either of them over the next few years if they continue their improvement, particularly Martinelli who seems well suited to how we play.
Yup, seems like we might’ve missed the boat though. I’ve read Arteta is on the shortlist for the PSG job, I wonder what chaos that would cause in the unlikely event it happened.
And your 'ignore the stats' and let's concentrate on his one error isn't far more risible? Let's rate a player on one incident in 90 mins, that makes complete sense.
Whilst the error could have been disastrous it wasn't. I never see you flaying Ali if he almost messes up trying to dribble past an attacker or in fact most other players.
The way we play around at the back it can happen - one can see from Thiago's perspective at the moment he hit the ball, having been under pressure from Saka, he simply couldn't see Laca as our barn door was mostly obscuring him - it wasn't a hit and hope even if unfortunate.
So you piled in because it was me giving him a 7/10 rating - let's see how far off that mark I was as far as most others saw the game (mostly ex-players of course) shall we. On the first page of a Google search : CBS 7/10, NBC 7/10, Echo 7/10, First Sportz, 7/10, LFC Transfer Room 7/10, TIA 6/10, The Anfield Wrap 8/10, Sports Illustrated 7/10, Redmen TV 9/10, BBC 7.08/10 and our very own Rurik 7/10. Well fuck me sideways. Suggest you go off and give them a piece of your mind too !
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And Bobby - he won the ball back to start the attack, with the press/tackle in midfield, before pointing to where he wanted it, Robbo put it on a plate, and then finished it off with a deft touch. Class all round.
For me, my ratings are thus
Ali- 8. Important save when needed and never really looked troubled.
Trent - 6/7. Martinelli had the beating of him consistently. His passing is what made him stand out.
Matip - 8. Absolutely great game, and of bobby had backheeled to him, he could have scored another great goal on an adventure
VVD- 7. Very laid back. Sometimes to his detriment. Overall wasn't troubled too much.
Robbo - 7. First half he and Diaz were under the cosh, but dealt with it well. Few wasteful passes in promising positions, but made up for it with his tenacity for the second.
Fab - 7. I feel a 7 is generous, but he was the best of the midfield. Some important blocks, some risky plays that the referee bailed him out with.
Hendo - 6. Hendo doing hendo. Unspectacular, but solid cog in the machine.
Thiago - 6. Seemed to struggle with the arsenal press, and in one instance resulting in what should have been a goal for them. Passing seemed a bit laboured. Pass to Jota was decent however.
Diaz - 5/6. struggled with the arsenal press. Arguably would have been better coming on as a sub than starting.
Jota -5. A goal he had no right to score is literally all he did. Completely anonymous until then.
Mane - 4. Every touch poor. Passing erratic. Constantly made the wrong choice (not passing to Jones in the 90th springs to mind). A game to forget against an opponent he usually does well against. I'd never play him on the wing again.
Subs - mo - 6. Tried to force it as per his recent form. Wasn't great to see.
Bobby - 7.5. he doesn't deserve an 8 but a 7 seems harsh. Really tied the attack together when he came on. Whether than was down to arsenal going on to disarray after the goal, or just fun bobby things I don't know. Took his goal with typical bobby coolness.
Curtis - n/a. Looked up for itz but barely got a kick
Ali- 8. Important save when needed and never really looked troubled.
Trent - 6/7. Martinelli had the beating of him consistently. His passing is what made him stand out.
Matip - 8. Absolutely great game, and of bobby had backheeled to him, he could have scored another great goal on an adventure
VVD- 7. Very laid back. Sometimes to his detriment. Overall wasn't troubled too much.
Robbo - 7. First half he and Diaz were under the cosh, but dealt with it well. Few wasteful passes in promising positions, but made up for it with his tenacity for the second.
Fab - 7. I feel a 7 is generous, but he was the best of the midfield. Some important blocks, some risky plays that the referee bailed him out with.
Hendo - 6. Hendo doing hendo. Unspectacular, but solid cog in the machine.
Thiago - 6. Seemed to struggle with the arsenal press, and in one instance resulting in what should have been a goal for them. Passing seemed a bit laboured. Pass to Jota was decent however.
Diaz - 5/6. struggled with the arsenal press. Arguably would have been better coming on as a sub than starting.
Jota -5. A goal he had no right to score is literally all he did. Completely anonymous until then.
Mane - 4. Every touch poor. Passing erratic. Constantly made the wrong choice (not passing to Jones in the 90th springs to mind). A game to forget against an opponent he usually does well against. I'd never play him on the wing again.
Subs - mo - 6. Tried to force it as per his recent form. Wasn't great to see.
Bobby - 7.5. he doesn't deserve an 8 but a 7 seems harsh. Really tied the attack together when he came on. Whether than was down to arsenal going on to disarray after the goal, or just fun bobby things I don't know. Took his goal with typical bobby coolness.
Curtis - n/a. Looked up for itz but barely got a kick
I just wanted to point out, for all the stick Mane had gotten, he did make the run a couple of seconds before the pass (first screenshot), which dragged Ben White away and opened up the space for the pass from Thiago.I can't get my head around people calling the Thiago assist average and Jota 'had it all to do'. He took it on already clear of the defence and powered a shot at the near post which Ramsdale fucked up. He did well but .. 'had it all to do' ? Seriously ?
I can't get my head around people calling the Thiago assist average and Jota 'had it all to do'. He took it on already clear of the defence and powered a shot at the near post which Ramsdale fucked up. He did well but .. 'had it all to do' ? Seriously ?
You cannot believe thiago put it on a plate for him? That's insane. Even in the second picture you can see white is going to close him down.
The fact you've not got another picture with the angle Jota ended up having to shoot from shows that it shouldn't be classed as an assist
Did I say he put it on a plate? Did I? Haha bloody hell Fabio. Ex-players abound are raving about it and yet .... well just watch the replay above ½ dozen times. The fact he scored from wide wasn't because his shot was unstoppable it was down to a Ramsdale error, even though Jota did everything right. But it was that defence splitting pass that made it possible.
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