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Hansern said:
He should just say he's a good keeper. Cause thats what he is and some of the stick he's getting is OTT.
He can improve like many of our other players but he's done more than enough this season to be called a good signing and an improvement on Reina.
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hmmm reina was poor his last few seasons but even then i reckon at this stage you could debate that he cost us less than mignolet does . And you're tripping if you think mignolet is better than reina was at his best .
 
You're deluded if you dont see Ming as an improvement on Reina. That being the Reina for the last 2-3 seasons.
Reina in his prime was a better gk though I agree.
Still think Ming can develop into a better gk and that will only benefit us.

His distribution has improved during the season.
With some focus on commanding his area and working on communication between the back 5 we'll see even more improvement.
I'd look into if Achterberg is the right GK coach though. Maybe its time to change that.
 
We need to be more disciplined when taking a breather. We always needed to do that when we were in Europe and shattered at this stage, and even when we had the European ban we were in cup competitions and were very fatigued, but I don't think we need to do it quite as much at the moment, but when we do we need to do it in the opposition half. One of the few exasperating things we do at present is take the ball deep in their half and then pass back. We did it today, Johnson got dispossessed (not because he's 'crap' but because it was a stupid ball and there was zero movement around him) and Norwich were back on the attack.If you're going to lose the ball, lose it deep in their half, don't go backwards and THEN lose it!
 
Hansern said:
You're deluded if you dont see Ming as an improvement on Reina. That being the Reina for the last 2-3 seasons.
Reina in his prime was a better gk though I agree.
Still think Ming can develop into a better gk and that will only benefit us.

His distribution has improved during the season.
With some focus on commanding his area and working on communication between the back 5 we'll see even more improvement.
I'd look into if Achterberg is the right GK coach though. Maybe its time to change that.
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A journalist is missing a good story - they could actually go and find out what the top goalkeeping coaches do. Because I certainly don't know. My inclination when Mingolet makes errors is to think Achterberg is shite, but what do we really know? I'd love to know how each coach actually works and how they all compare.
 
Can't say much about the game as I watched only highlights. I've totally bottled it and haven't been able to watch our last five or six games live(Spurs being the exception, zero nerves in that one). Very relieved to get the three points though.

After the City-match I didn't feel as overjoyed as most because of Hendo's red. I almost would have rather taken a draw if it meant we'd have him available for the rest of the season, he's that important. After seeing reports of today it seems it was just as nervy as I thought it'd be. We really need to beat Chelsea because Palace is in great form and that's the game where Hendo's absence will be felt the most I'm afraid.

Don't want to sound all miserable because I'm not. 5p ahead with three games to go is an unbelievable position to be in. Still there's that unpleasant sound on the back of my head... Fuck, Maybe some whisky will help.
 
As much as Flanno didn't have his best game today I'm really impressed how he's imprinted himself into the dna of this side.

He's aggressive, shows good touch and has a desire to get forwards aplenty. He's one of the first names on the teamsheet - incredible progress in one season.
 
Buddha said:
As much as Flanno didn't have his best game today I'm really impressed how he's imprinted himself into the dna of this side.

He's aggressive, shows good touch and has a desire to get forwards aplenty. He's one of the first names on the teamsheet - incredible progress in one season.
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He pulled off some good quick pass and move routines today. It's not unusual for the younger players - heck, even some more experienced ones - to get nervy when they get the ball with opponents bearing down on them, but Flanagan seemed to be pretty confident in dealing with that pressure and didn't show any nerves.
 
The Mignolet criticism is way OTT. Reina wasn't that much better in his best years, plus 3 years ago we scored 59 & conceded 44, the year after we scored 47 & conceded 40, admittedly being paid 100k a week and being too fat to bend down and cover his near post was a factor. If some want to go back to scoring 60 goals a season and conceding less then fine. I'm loving Mr Rodgers Liverpool, scoring a 100 goals a season means your goal is gonna be a bit a bit more exposed, and we're gonna win shiny things.
 
Der Alte said:
Can't say much about the game as I watched only highlights. I've totally bottled it and haven't been able to watch our last five or six games live(Spurs being the exception, zero nerves in that one). Very relieved to get the three points though.

After the City-match I didn't feel as overjoyed as most because of Hendo's red. I almost would have rather taken a draw if it meant we'd have him available for the rest of the season, he's that important. After seeing reports of today it seems it was just as nervy as I thought it'd be. We really need to beat Chelsea because Palace is in great form and that's the game where Hendo's absence will be felt the most I'm afraid.

Don't want to sound all miserable because I'm not. 5p ahead with three games to go is an unbelievable position to be in. Still there's that unpleasant sound on the back of my head... Fuck, Maybe some whisky will help.
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Haha, used to do that as a kid, remember the 92 cup final, i sat in the toilet until we were 2 up, got to admit it has crossed my mind to not watch the last couple of games, at least we have a week to chill again.
 
Mig only gets a pass because we still won, pretty sure if it cost us points some of you would be singing a different tune, hes a calamity waiting to happen, lets just hope and pray he can hold his shit together for 3 more games.
 
roadred said:
The Mignolet criticism is way OTT. Reina wasn't that much better in his best years, plus 3 years ago we scored 59 & conceded 44, the year after we scored 47 & conceded 40, admittedly being paid 100k a week and being too fat to bend down and cover his near post was a factor. If some want to go back to scoring 60 goals a season and conceding less then fine. I'm loving Mr Rodgers Liverpool, scoring a 100 goals a season means your goal is gonna be a bit a bit more exposed, and we're gonna win shiny things.
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true , with the exception that alot of the goals we concede are from stupid mistakes and often individual errors rather than the fact we are an attacking team. Surely we can cut them out and if we do then we'd be something very special indeed .
 
I don't rate Sakho at all. He's fucking shit on the ball, clumsy, error prone, and not as quick or dominant as you'd expect a black centre half to be.

All I really want from a centre half is to be dependable and decent 90% of the time. Outstanding attributes like pace, aerial power, and distribution are nice cherries on the cake, but I don't think Carragher had any of them, but it didn't matter, because he knew what was important and he did it week after week.


I don't rate Mignolet either. We need a new keeper, if not this summer, then definitely next. He's not a long term solution.
 
OK...moving on...

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lots of that needs to be updated doesn't it ? but for the better in most cases .
 
I robbed this from King Binnys stats thread, so if it's wrong blame the Binmeister, or not, blame me!

Kristof Terreur ‏@HLNinEngeland now
Mignolet's stats: 5 errors lead to goal (last season:0), 41% punch success (ls:58%), 95% claim success (ls:96%), 67% pass success (ls:46%)
Pepe Reina made an average of 4 errors that lead to goals in last seasons. He had a punch success of 22% last season (1/2 of Mignolet).
 
It is so easy to blame Lucas, and Allen , and a few of the so called mistakes made by our defenders. But in reality I would say the following - in the first half we had a lot more control of the game with both Lucas and Allen. If anything the following two players let us down a little:-

SG and Coutinhio

I did not think that our captain fantastic contributed much today, and I also think that our little so called wonder Brazilian was not up for the game which is the one criticism I have of the Brazilian - always seems a little dis-interested and careless when we don't play the top teams. Everyone else worked hard today and I can forgive Glen Johnson for one misplaced pass during that game, and I can forgive Sakho for losing the ball when he had no one to pass to. If anything the problems were caused by over-passing and eventually passing to a player who had no options available to him while opposition players were coming in to close them down.

It was never going to be an easy game for us today - although I am sure that most of us thought it may end up being a cricket score having scored two goals in the first 11 minutes of the game. My worries right now are that when we think we are in control we suddenly contrive to lose control of the game like we did after scoring the first two goals. We should maintain the intensity of our passing and be more clinical in front of goal instead of over-passing and rushing - I don't want us to be another version of Arsenal.

In the next game - I think Jose will try and capitalize on all this passing at the back we do. If you want an example please watch Brazil 82 vs Italy.
 
Spionkop69 said:
If someone else in a pub tells me he's a good fucking shot stopper, then they're going to end up in a heap on the floor. THAT'S a pre requisite for a keeper!

That's like saying "he's a good barman, he served me a pint". That's what he's supposed to do!
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That's an over-simplification. All PL keepers are good shot-stopper. Ming is a FUCKING good shot-stopper !
 
I wish we'd beaten them 6-0 or so though just for the sake of GD. That sort of a figure might've done enough for us to overcome a potential tie with City.

Ah well.
 
Not enough credit is being given to Adam here. He said he had identified a couple of areas he was going to try to capitalise on and they did and did it well. Those areas were :
1. massive defending from the front. Many teams give us time and space whilst closing down the midfield instead. Norwich attacked our defenders en-masse and that caused us problems all game, and
2. Our 'Diamond' means we do have a weakness when going forward and then losing possession in that our attacking FBs can be exposed by playing over them or putting extra pressure on them. Both Johnson and Flanagan felt that today, often having 2-3 men pressure them or by putting balls over them to rely on the extreme pace of widemen.
Redmond in particular had pace to burn and that can't be a criticism of Johnson if you also want him to attack down that wing. It was an excellent plan but Chelsea won't do that so today was a bit of a one-off in that regard.

Don't get the Sakho criticism. See 1. above. However his passing was excellent, even under pressure. He could have possibly won more headers today but that is about it. Skrtel gets the love but again over-committed himself and lost out 3-4 times out wide. That aside he was totally dominant bar the one time he should have been (though that same criticism should be leveled in triplicate at Ming), when they scored their first.

Ming : I love his superb shot-stopping. One of the best in the league. Achterberg needs firing and please God lets get in a decent GKing coach. We know this has been an area for concern ever since he took over. Ming needs to be taught how to dominate his area - then we will have a keeper on our hands.

Ming 6
Flanno 6
Sakho 7
Skrtel 8.5
Johnson 6
Gerrard 6.5
Lucas 5
Allen 7.5
Coutinho 6
Sterling 9
Suarez 7

Moses 7
Agger N/A
 
studsup said:
I think we're being harsh on some players. The likes of Sakho and Mig will hopefully improve with more coaching and personal determination and endeavour. I think these players deserve a chance for the coaching staff to help them work on their flaws. Skrtel's persistent over-commitment and over-enthusiastic slide tackling has been coached out of him, for example. Coutinho and Sterling have added steel to their skill, and Flanagan has improved by loads.

If the guys don't show improvement in another season, then maybe we can say they won't get better. But not after just one season.
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With regards to Ming, he still can improve (especially in the air), but his footwork and distribution has improved immensely this season. I think he must play regularly in the 5-a-sides. He looks so much more comfortable and usually hits his target. Was terrified to say this during the match because I knew it would be curse.
 
Sakho with a 94,5 % passing comp from 55 passes today.
Thats fanfuckingtastic good with the pressure we were under
 
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