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Possession under pressure

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rurikbird

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Everybody is praising Henderson and Skrtel and others for their energy and fight they displayed today under pressure. However, there is another side to this - we were under so much pressure in part because we could not keep the ball at all in the 2nd half, could not even get a 5 minute period of possession going. Why was that? I see 2 main reasons:

1. Gerrard faded again in the 2nd half and dropped too deep. It's very hard to keep possession when both of our CMs are stuck so deep. I think Gerrard doesn't trust his mobility any more, he is not confident that he will be able to get back to a defensive position quickly enough when we lost the ball, so he just goes into this "safety-first" mode and when your main playmaker does that, it becomes much harder to keep possession.

2. We have too many players with unsure touch and inconsistent passing and that really shows under pressure. Yes, Henderson has a lot of energy - but it would be helpful if he could also keep the ball under pressure. Skrtel hoofed the ball constantly. Gerrard played quite a few wayward passes in the 2nd half, Enrique and Aspas gave the ball away a lot too. Sterling only worsened the situation when he came on. I was pleasantly surprised by Wisdom though, he really tried his best not to give the ball away cheaply. Alberto had an excellent cameo as well, good movement and calmness on the ball - but to be fair, this was already when Man U already lost their edge.

I think the lesson from today's 2nd half (as well as 2nd half against Villa) is that we need more players capable of keeping possession under pressure and not prone to giving it away cheaply. We won today, but can't put ourselves under constant pressure for 45 or more minutes and expect to keep many more clean sheets. We missed Allen (I don't care if you disagree) and most of all we missed Suarez who is excellent at holding onto the ball even when he is isolated. Also if we could bring on someone like Moses instead of Sterling, we would be able to cope with the pressure better. We are top the league, but there is a lot that needs to improve if we want to keep winning.
 
I thought Henderson was great with the ball under pressure today, kept the ball well, was calm and assured. I agree with the sentiment though, we sit far too far back and encourage possession, also we lose the ball loads from Mignolet kicking it forward, we need to improve ball retention there.
 
The assumption within this type of thinking is that you're under no pressure if you have the ball.

I think that's a false assumption, since most goals are scored within 8 seconds of gaining possession. To me that means its easier to score when a defence is unorganised - like when a team unexpectedly loses possession.

We defended well today and RVP had one half chance of note. The only real moment of worry for me was the free kick Lucas gave away at the end.

Apart from that they didn't seem dangerous.
 
Passing stats today:

Team passing - 76%

By player:
Agger 89%
Skrtel 86%
Enrique 84%
Gerrard 82%
Henderson 81%
Lucas 80%
Sturridge 76%
Coutinho 71%
Johnson 67%
Aspas 60%
Mignolet 30%

Subs:
Sterling 88%
Wisdom 50%
Alberto 100%
 
RE point 1.

The assumption you seem to be making is that Gerrard took it upon himself to drop deep. I'm not sure that's true.

I would not be surprised if the entire team dropped deeper because they were told to by Rodgers
 
So Rosco just made it up, when he said Skittles had better passing stats than Agger? It isn't really like him to be trolling around ....
 
I dont know what was up with Coutinho today be I was really disappointed by him. Hes earned the right to have an off game but when Utd turned up the pressure 2nd half he really didnt want to know
 
RE point 1.

The assumption you seem to be making is that Gerrard took it upon himself to drop deep. I'm not sure that's true.

I would not be surprised if the entire team dropped deeper because they were told to by Rodgers

A manager gives instructions to players based on their capabilities. Gerrard doesn't have the legs to play box-to-box any more.
 
So Rosco just made it up, when he said Skittles had better passing stats than Agger? It isn't really like him to be trolling around ....
Hahaha that is quite strange yeah.

Maybe he just sat there counting for himself and then missed a few of Agger's passes?
 
So Rosco just made it up, when he said Skittles had better passing stats than Agger? It isn't really like him to be trolling around ....

Agger's % was higher, but Skrtel made more passes - 31 from 36 compared to 25 from 28 by Agger.

Lucas had 6 interceptions BTW. He also won 3 out of 4 headed duels and made 4 out 5 successful tackles.
 
Yep Gerrard needs a bit of protection here and there....it is to be expected. He can't run around like he used to. He is playing a more matured hand. It's up to players like Henderson and Lucas to provide that extra mobility....
 
Possession under pressure?
Solution: Xabi Alonso.

He would have helped us keep the ball and lower the tempo.
 
I was disappointed also whenever we attacked with numbers in the 2nd half and United managed to clear, it was always a United player who picked up a loose ball. Somebody needed to press higher and pick up the rebounds, but on TV I couldn't tell whose responsibility was that.
 
My take is that as a whole, the spine -- the central midfielders (Gerrard, Lucas, Henderson) and defenders (Agger and Skrtel) -- lack the technical ability, tactical awareness and athleticism to both keep possession and press high up the pitch. Having more athletic defenders such as Toure and Sakho who can read the game well and keep the ball better should redress the issue to an extent.

Lucas, at his current form and level, is becoming a concern. Pairing him with Gerrard means we have two deep-lying midfielders as the double pivot. If Lucas was a volante in the mould of Alonso I think it'd matter less, because we have two sitting midfield schemers who are able to prompt play from our own half. But right now Gerrard is setting the tempo and making the pace a tad frenetic at times.
 
Lucas is supposed to sit deep - that's what he does, that's his role in the team. The problem is when the more creative out of the 2 CMs also sits deep - then we don't have an outlet in the middle and our shape becomes purely defensive.
 
Agger's % was higher, but Skrtel made more passes - 31 from 36 compared to 25 from 28 by Agger.

Lucas had 6 interceptions BTW. He also won 3 out of 4 headed duels and made 4 out 5 successful tackles.

This is demonstrably inaccurate .. I can remember at least two Lucas 'tackles' that were punished by free-kicks,, it might have been three or I might be wrongly allocating that one.
 
It's building. We had some superb moments. They didn't last, but you build these sections together through a season. It's having the speed of thought and courage to go one more pass, one more move, beyond what you have. There's an improvement there. It's really difficult, but you can see it happening.
 
Lucas is supposed to sit deep - that's what he does, that's his role in the team. The problem is when the more creative out of the 2 CMs also sits deep - then we don't have an outlet in the middle and our shape becomes purely defensive.

Yeah, there's an imbalance in our midfield dynamic. Two deep-lying, not too athletic, centre mids in Lucas and Gerrard means that a player with high work rate and energy like Henderson is necessary to help them cover ground.
 
So Rosco just made it up, when he said Skittles had better passing stats than Agger? It isn't really like him to be trolling around ....

I think you need to read what I said , I didnt say he had a higher completion rate. I said he found his teammates more than Agger , which he did. 32 successful passes to Aggers 30
 
Gerrard is 33 years old. He just played 90 minutes followed by 120 minutes in the preceding week. If he drops deep to have a little breather whilst also protecting a 1-0 lead, then that's just the way it is.
 
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