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Pay him what he wants!

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Hansern said:
You're missing the point, mate. I'm not saying he has been below par or that he hasn't struggled. He, like the rest of the team have been in a bad shape for most of the season. I think there are a lot of reasons for that but its quite obvious that he has been playing more out wide left, been further away from goal, lack of midfield, lack of pressing as a team, TAAs lack of form, Robbo out of form, several changes upfront, No Mane and last season taking its toll. You'd think he, like the rest of the team, cant have a bad season because of his salary. It doesn't work like that.
Still, for his worst season in a Liverpool shirt he still has 18 goals in February.

Now, my point in regards to the comments and this thread. People have extremely short memories about a player that has broken about 30 records in a Liverpool shirt. Thats why I'm saying he's undervalued. Not regarding this season isolated but as a Liverpool player.

We should obviously expect more from him. But he's 30 years old, never injured, an ambassador for the red shirt and can play at a top level for many years. There is no doubt that he'll be banging in even more goals once our team is rebuilt. We could see that yesterday that the chances come when the team plays better as a unit.

Reading the replies on here you'd think he was Ronaldo, 40 years old, toxic for dressing room and just collecting his paycheck.
Thats why its pointless.
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I am in awe of what he did for our club before he signed that new contract. To me he is in the space just below King Kenny, Rush, and Gerrard as one of our greatest ever players.

At the same time, I am disappointed at his performance post new contract. He has 18 goals. I am not downplaying that. But as a club, when we offer someone that level of salary, we expect that player to be independent of how the rest of the team players. Even when we are shit, we expect that player to raise our game. That maybe being a bit unfair on Salah but that is the financial reality for us. His basis for comparison is Gerrard, Suarez, King Kenny, Rush.

We can criticize him for not living upto his new contract this season and love him for what he did before that. Those are not mutually exclusive.

And if he leaves for PSG this summer, I will be very very sad. But unless he improves to close his previous levels, it will be the right move for our club. We cant afford to pay that salary to a player unless he is performing in top 5 player in the world bracket. I am from Asia, but it was special feeling watching a player from not a traditional powerhouse country and continent break records left, right and center. His commitment, discipline and achievements inspired me in my career too.
 
peekay said:
I am in awe of what he did for our club before he signed that new contract. To me he is in the space just below King Kenny, Rush, and Gerrard as one of our greatest ever players.

At the same time, I am disappointed at his performance post new contract. He has 18 goals. I am not downplaying that. But as a club, when we offer someone that level of salary, we expect that player to be independent of how the rest of the team players. Even when we are shit, we expect that player to raise our game. That maybe being a bit unfair on Salah but that is the financial reality for us. His basis for comparison is Gerrard, Suarez, King Kenny, Rush.

We can criticize him for not living upto his new contract this season and love him for what he did before that. Those are not mutually exclusive.

And if he leaves for PSG this summer, I will be very very sad. But unless he improves to close his previous levels, it will be the right move for our club. We cant afford to pay that salary to a player unless he is performing in top 5 player in the world bracket. I am from Asia, but it was special feeling watching a player from not a traditional powerhouse country and continent break records left, right and center. His commitment, discipline and achievements inspired me in my career too.
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What's your career peekay? Don't tell me you're a famous cricketer and you've not let on yet?!?!
 
He didn't play spectacularly, at all, as an attacking player.

What I did like about his play was that he was far more defensively disciplined and focused. If he isn't going to play that well, but he works, and he finishes, that's great. It can't be just against Everton with the crowd, and it can't be only for parts of the game.
 
All valid points from peekay and LTW. But my initial post still stands. Having a discussion about why he isnt performing is one thing. Wanting to sell him after a poor season and calling him shite, is another.
Yes, you can obviously say he should be playing better but its far to easy to say that you expect that he will automatically deliver 30 goals in a disjointed team. Better performances, no doubt. But for me its to short a time span to say that we should definitely look to move him on this summer. He's one of the best players in the World and its quite obvious that I still want him in a new team that we are setting up. But we absolutely need better performances and more goals for the rest of the season. You expect that from him and this team.
But selling him now? No. Not yet. A Salah at 30 years old is far from finished.

Regarding his contract and paying him that amount. There are other areas we need to look at before doing anything with Salah.

Keita 120k per week
Ox 120k per week
Melo 100k per week
Matip 100k per week
Adrian 60k per week
Phillips 60k per week

We're also paying 520k per week to Fabinho, Henderson and Thiago. They dont deserve that at this point.

If Salah plays poorly in 23/24 then yes - consider selling him. But for now its not a need in my book. I'd rather focus on him getting back to his best and being part of our new rebuild. Signing a right sided attacking player that could take over for him in time is a better strategy.
 
Hansern said:
Regarding his contract and paying him that amount. There are other areas we need to look at before doing anything with Salah.

Keita 120k per week
Ox 120k per week
Melo 100k per week
Matip 100k per week
Adrian 60k per week
Phillips 60k per week

We're also paying 520k per week to Fabinho, Henderson and Thiago. They dont deserve that at this point.
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Come on. No one is saying he is worse than Arthur Melo or Ox. This is a bit of whataboutism. Everyone agrees that all the players in your list should be sold before Salah. But that is not the bar for Salah. Salah is being criticized because he is held to a higher standard and his pay and stature reflects that.

Folks are not criticizing others in your list because they have given up on that and this is a thread about Salah, not the rest of the duds in the team. By the way, me and Momo and others have criticized the Thiago signing and Henderson contract extension.
 
The thing about Salah is he is a high-volume dribbler and scorer - he needs to be given a chance to run at a defender multiple times per game, try to beat him one way - doesn’t work, try another way - lose the ball, try again… He is persistent and eventually will wear the defender down and that’s how he plays himself into form. Mo is a perfect wing-forward for the Klopp team at its best that keeps winning the ball back through counterpress and attacking in waves - in other words, I think sorting the midfield and defence will take care of Mo’s form too. I see nothing in his game so far to indicate he’s in some sort of long-term decline - he’s just suffering with the rest of the team.

As for the expectation that he should be single-handedly taking care of scoring even while the rest are playing like shit - maybe so, but how many players can you name that regularly do that? And in the big picture one “heroic” player doesn’t solve a problem - just papers over the cracks, which can be almost counterproductive in making the problem seem less urgent. In short, nothing good will happen until we sort out the main issues that we’ve talked to death about - but once they are reliably sorted, would I prefer to have Salah still in the team? Yes, I would. Will he be effective and scoring loads once again when we’re dominating again? Yes, I believe he will.
 
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Salah's forever has had spells of baron runs, he had it last season and the prior seasons before that. His bad spells start with the temperatures dipping to near 0. Unfortunately this time its coincided with worst performance in a season under Klopp. As much as I didn't expect to say it, we miss Mane, with him gone the opposition can afford to put two players on Salah and muzzle his efforts. Had we not had Jota and Diaz missing, I'm pretty sure we would be much higher up the table.
 
rurikbird said:
The thing about Salah is he is a high-volume dribbler and scorer - he needs to be given a chance to run at a defender multiple times per game, try to beat him one way - doesn’t work, try another way - lose the ball, try again… He is persistent and eventually will wear the defender down and that’s how he plays himself into form.
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He just isn't as effective at beating players, and I don't think he'll ever be as effective again. Firstly he isn't as explosive, and secondly he is very well understood. Since he isn't the most technically gifted dribbler, and he is quite one-footed, he's largely solved.

He can definitely be better than he is now though.
 
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Just a thought, when the offers came in...

Rush left (came back), Fowler left (came back), Owen left, Torres left, Mascherano left, Alonso left, Suarez left, Coutinho left and Mané left...

Salah stayed.

Liverpool was enough for Mo Salah and Steven Gerrard, our two biggest legends of the PL era.
 
Lolz. He clearly wasnt. Its all about bias in this thread, as I’ve said from the start.
No point continuing the discussion,
 
Jaysis. He’s been terrific of late. At the center of so much. Plus he’s been loyal. Which is rare nowadays / he could have made the big $ elsewhere. It’s important to have these talented experienced lads in the team
 
Another glorious assist and got their keeper sent off allowing us to rest players for Madrid while completing the double over a team otherwise undefeated in the league.
 
Terrific? Absolutely not. He’s not made top 3 in performers in either of the last two games.
 
He's had key contributions whilst still not at the level we expect It's an upward curve at least. He should have had a few today
 
He still is a shadow of what he once was.

Both his instincts in front of goal, and how much of a risk he is on the dribble. He just gets shepherded out wide fairly easily.

His pass was fantastic. He was more willing to help defensively, however not as much as against everton. I think gakpo is really helping things.
 
momoWASboss said:
You’re delusional. What difference did he make?
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Ffs.

He scored the crucial opener in a derby seconds after they rattled our woodwork. Set us up to go on and win.
And today his sublime assist for the second took the wind out of Newcastle and his intervention got Pope sent off which killed the game as a contest after 25 mins.
Prior to the Derby our top goal scorer/creator this year was a fucking Leicester city defender.
Goals win games and are the hardest thing to do.
They inject confidence straight into veins of every single player and his goal lifted the whole team.
He scored in the first game and set another in the second and got their keeper sent off.
He’s head and shoulders above anyone else at the clubs for goals and assists.
What difference did he make?
All the fucking difference.
 
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