The point is unaffected by that.
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Before when someone was fouled, the referee could make a subjective judgement based upon the physical reaction. That's the only meaningful way to deem if the contact is a foul.
Now the reaction is uniform and involves falling. I get that doing so points out to the referee the contact, which the blind ones would otherwise miss. But in pointing it out, there is now no physical evidence on the effect of that contact. So the referee has to use his PhD in physics to play it forward and predict the unrealised future.
What my point is, you don't need a physics PhD to know Benteke was not fouled, but touched.
If it didn't matter whether the player fell over or was impeded, then why is there a separate rule for wreckless challenges? If you go in two footed but miss the player, its a red. That is because the referee can't deem it a foul if no harm was done, so needs a new rule to punish the act.
The comments are all by Cloggy in different guises.
I'm not that outraged.
Thats ok with me. I like Rosco.
you told me you couldn't stand him last time we spoke.
Hahahaha
Easy guess what the biggest cunt around thinks:
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Anyone claiming the Benteke decision was a penalty is embarrassing themselves. Terrible decision with no feel for the game.
You've got to love Twitter. At least when it comes to people like John Cross and fans digging up old tweets to show his double standards...
16.10.10, 16.43
Penalty #Arsenal. Chamakh looking for it - and gets it. This will get dive debate going. Dann made contact so pen for me. 1-1 Nasri cool
I'll be more furious with our players who dive into to tackle someone in such a stupid place in the penalty box without any goal threat.
Another late peno wins it for the U21s against Middlesboro tonight. Hattrick for Ojo.
Exactly. Moreno was one.
Am I the only one who doesn't care how we get a result?. I just like winning, especially against the loathsome Pardew and the massed ranks of drum mongs aka Palace support.
J'aime last gasp winner.
J'aime last gasp winner.
I'd love another couple of jammy penalties in our coming pair of EL games. Add an unlucky red card each for Martial / Smalling and De Gea for good measure.
It doesn't make anyone look like a mug at all. I mean, really Oncy? You're better than this bollocks.
It's hardly the most blatant non-foul>dive, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. I don't think anyone is defending him because he's a Liverpool player, or whatever agenda, I only responded to the hypocrisy of some corners of the press, personally.
If he made the most of the situation, then I doubt anyone would argue the toss over that (has anyone?), their defender dived in unnecessarily and our attacker capitalised on it. Big fucking deal.
And the defender didn't "graze past someone", he tried to go in from behind, pulled out of the challenge late and landed on his knee where there might have been minor contact. It's not really splitting hairs, it might have caught him enough to impede him, it might not have caught him at all, it's difficult to see from any of the angles. If there was any contact then by rights, the attacker can either stay on his feet and try to capitalise or he can go down and try to capitalise, as it may have hampered his movement. Contact in the box like that can be interpreted as a foul, it's why you don't dive in. Just like any contact on the keeper is a foul. Sometimes even just "grazing" past one. Contact is contact.
It seems like you're taking this stance to belittle some level of bias, when the truth is, unless any of us were between the defender and attacker, to witness the extent of the contact (or non-contact), then we'll never really know. So no one's really looking like a mug, unless you're willing to go out on a limb either way, about a challenge that's so difficult to call. The only person in any ideal position to get a decent view of it was the linesman who could view the space between the two players. And he gave the decision.
Either way you could argue that Benteke made the most of it, as he should. Defenders get away with murder everyweek too and bend the rules as far as attackers do, kicking, pulling, scratching, putting knees into the back of players. It's six of one, half a dozen of the other.
When situations happen like this with our defenders I nearly always blame the defender for putting a stupid and unnecessary tackle when they are in the box. It's somewhat different outside of the box as penalties are far more likely to result in a goal than a free kick or corner.
Sometimes these things go for you and sometimes they don't. It was only a couple of weeks ago that Lucas was deemed to have given a foul against West Ham that was quite dubious and ended up costing us but there was nowhere near the level of hysteria both on here and in the media regarding their player overreacting to the challenge.
If we can take it with relatively good grace then I don't see why Crystal Palace can't. Oh and fuck Pardew the slimy gobshite.
Sometimes these things go for you and sometimes they don't. It was only a couple of weeks ago that Lucas was deemed to have given a foul against West Ham that was quite dubious and ended up costing us but there was nowhere near the level of hysteria both on here and in the media regarding their player overreacting to the challenge.
If we can take it with relatively good grace then I don't see why Crystal Palace can't. Oh and fuck Pardew the slimy gobshite.
It's difficult to call isn't it? I mean, there are instances where players are too honest for their own good, or they simply make the decision to stay on their feet and are penalised by losing momentum and missing the chance. Sometimes officials miss blatant fouls too and it's up to the attacker to translate the fact there has been contact, otherwise it's missed. It's a grey area really, which is why it's so open to abuse and misinterpretation, both ways.
One long-running problem is that officials (and pundits) have talked themselves into believing that they're always dealing with an either-or judgement: a player falls over either because he's been fouled or because he's cheating. That clearly isn't the case. You can and should also dive if you think you need to take evasive action. Now, a ref might judge the imminent tackle that causes you to do that as dangerous, or he might not, but he has no right to judge whether you were right or wrong to decide, in a split second, to take evasive action. Players shouldn't be told to let someone hit them in order to minimise the risk of being penalised for diving. But the simplistic perspective that's dominant in this context determines the judgements much more than the actual movement itself.
Yeah, I couldn't really care less. I think if we were to witness serial swan-diving shithousery on the scale of Drogba (which even Chelsea fans eventually got embarrassed by) at his worst.
We've never really had that type of player though
Fans , Managers and players all claim to hate diving and players who go to ground too easily but most are complete hypocrites when it comes to the crunch. I've been at the match loads of times and one minute you're booing an opposition player for trying to con the ref but later on when one of our players is bumped , jostled or barged in the box everyone asks 'Why didn't he go down?'. Everyone is desperate to win and it brings out the worst in all of us.
And defenders can fuck off as well as they dive more than anyone. The number of times you see a forward put his hand on a defenders back when they are trying to shepherd a ball out of play and the defender goes down like he's been poleaxed does my head in. It's as farcical as it's inevitable when the forward seemingly can't help himself and the hairy arse defender is suddenly as stable on his feet as a 2 year old.
And defenders can fuck off as well as they dive more than anyone. The number of times you see a forward put his hand on a defenders back when they are trying to shepherd a ball out of play and the defender goes down like he's been poleaxed does my head in. It's as farcical as it's inevitable when the forward seemingly can't help himself and the hairy arse defender is suddenly as stable on his feet as a 2 year old.
That explains why Collymore was in shrill mode last night. He kept going on and on about poondits who condone cheaaaating.
Robbie Savage also said it was a peno on Five Live, and there's someone who knows a thing or two about cheating.
On the subject of Monday "Feist Night" on TalkSh!te - how embarrassing is that? A whole evening explicitly devoted to rabblerousing FFS. It's about Collymore's level but Saggers used to be a respected broadcaster. Now he's just a sad parody of himself, a BBC clone trying and spectacularly failing to go convincingly downmarket. "Feist" was originally a Yiddish word for "fart" - maybe they're trying to get back to "basics".
On the subject of Monday "Feist Night" on TalkSh!te - how embarrassing is that? A whole evening explicitly devoted to rabblerousing FFS. It's about Collymore's level but Saggers used to be a respected broadcaster. Now he's just a sad parody of himself, a BBC clone trying and spectacularly failing to go convincingly downmarket. "Feist" was originally a Yiddish word for "fart" - maybe they're trying to get back to "basics".
If this was Fowler turning down a penalty simply because he decided that honesty was the best policy, everyone would be like 'what a great guy.' Remember that infamous game against Arse in 97 ?
Truth is most of us fans, if not all, are really fickle minded hypocrites whose opinions change more frequent and faster than the humans in the Walking Dead. I admit I'm probably one of them too but some of us don't try so hard to pretend we're football saints who think we know it all.
That's why I like Klopp a lot. He doesn't take himself too seriously yet he's not one to mess with when it comes to getting the job done and done right. And he's not too proud nor afraid to admit a mistake when he's made wrong decisions. That's humility and I think that's why so many people like him and can relate easily to fans and players.
Truth is most of us fans, if not all, are really fickle minded hypocrites whose opinions change more frequent and faster than the humans in the Walking Dead. I admit I'm probably one of them too but some of us don't try so hard to pretend we're football saints who think we know it all.
That's why I like Klopp a lot. He doesn't take himself too seriously yet he's not one to mess with when it comes to getting the job done and done right. And he's not too proud nor afraid to admit a mistake when he's made wrong decisions. That's humility and I think that's why so many people like him and can relate easily to fans and players.
You're such a fickle minded hypocrite
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