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[quote author=DBP link=topic=41718.msg1168535#msg1168535 date=1283340650]
Nobody takes into account Rafa's payoff when discussing transfer funds.
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Becuse it wasn't a transfer?
I don't factor in wages, the cost of policing match-days, interest payments on the debt or electricity bills in the overall transfer budget either,
Purssssslow and the rest of the liars do, though
Nobody takes into account Rafa's payoff when discussing transfer funds.
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Becuse it wasn't a transfer?
I don't factor in wages, the cost of policing match-days, interest payments on the debt or electricity bills in the overall transfer budget either,
Purssssslow and the rest of the liars do, though
I think we did budget for a striker and im pleased we didnt buy one considering Cole is garbage.
Ive seen it described as getting rid of deadwood, thats only OK if you replace the deadwood with better and we probably havent IMO. Certainly we are not strong enough to make a challenge and probably not as good as our top four rivals, we havent improved at all basically but at least we have kept hold of Nando for one more season, and judging by the noises earlier on thats definitely a blessing to be counted..... hopefully this "loyalty" year hes giving us will be enough time for us to actually find some genuine investment and get a decent team out next season.
I do worry that we dont have enough goals in us this season however but only time will tell there.
Ive seen it described as getting rid of deadwood, thats only OK if you replace the deadwood with better and we probably havent IMO. Certainly we are not strong enough to make a challenge and probably not as good as our top four rivals, we havent improved at all basically but at least we have kept hold of Nando for one more season, and judging by the noises earlier on thats definitely a blessing to be counted..... hopefully this "loyalty" year hes giving us will be enough time for us to actually find some genuine investment and get a decent team out next season.
I do worry that we dont have enough goals in us this season however but only time will tell there.
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41718.msg1168560#msg1168560 date=1283342863]
I think we did budget for a striker and im pleased we didnt buy one considering Cole is garbage.
Ive seen it described as getting rid of deadwood, thats only OK if you replace the deadwood with better and we probably havent IMO. Certainly we are not strong enough to make a challenge and probably not as good as our top four rivals, we havent improved at all basically but at least we have kept hold of Nando for one more season, and judging by the noises earlier on thats definitely a blessing to be counted..... hopefully this "loyalty" year hes giving us will be enough time for us to actually find some genuine investment and get a decent team out next season.
I do worry that we dont have enough goals in us this season however but only time will tell there.
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Arse
Chelski
ManUre
ManChitty
Spurs
Liverpool
Isn't it top 6 rivals?
I think we did budget for a striker and im pleased we didnt buy one considering Cole is garbage.
Ive seen it described as getting rid of deadwood, thats only OK if you replace the deadwood with better and we probably havent IMO. Certainly we are not strong enough to make a challenge and probably not as good as our top four rivals, we havent improved at all basically but at least we have kept hold of Nando for one more season, and judging by the noises earlier on thats definitely a blessing to be counted..... hopefully this "loyalty" year hes giving us will be enough time for us to actually find some genuine investment and get a decent team out next season.
I do worry that we dont have enough goals in us this season however but only time will tell there.
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Arse
Chelski
ManUre
ManChitty
Spurs
Liverpool
Isn't it top 6 rivals?
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41718.msg1168566#msg1168566 date=1283343728]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41718.msg1168560#msg1168560 date=1283342863]
I think we did budget for a striker and im pleased we didnt buy one considering Cole is garbage.
Ive seen it described as getting rid of deadwood, thats only OK if you replace the deadwood with better and we probably havent IMO. Certainly we are not strong enough to make a challenge and probably not as good as our top four rivals, we havent improved at all basically but at least we have kept hold of Nando for one more season, and judging by the noises earlier on thats definitely a blessing to be counted..... hopefully this "loyalty" year hes giving us will be enough time for us to actually find some genuine investment and get a decent team out next season.
I do worry that we dont have enough goals in us this season however but only time will tell there.
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Arse
Chelski
ManUre
ManChitty
Spurs
Liverpool
Isn't it top 6 rivals?
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Quite.
I meant our rivals to finish in the top four, you can possibly include Everton in there and possibly Villa. It will be very very tough for us this season i suspect.... lets hope we get them new owners as it cant get better as it is.
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=41718.msg1168560#msg1168560 date=1283342863]
I think we did budget for a striker and im pleased we didnt buy one considering Cole is garbage.
Ive seen it described as getting rid of deadwood, thats only OK if you replace the deadwood with better and we probably havent IMO. Certainly we are not strong enough to make a challenge and probably not as good as our top four rivals, we havent improved at all basically but at least we have kept hold of Nando for one more season, and judging by the noises earlier on thats definitely a blessing to be counted..... hopefully this "loyalty" year hes giving us will be enough time for us to actually find some genuine investment and get a decent team out next season.
I do worry that we dont have enough goals in us this season however but only time will tell there.
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Arse
Chelski
ManUre
ManChitty
Spurs
Liverpool
Isn't it top 6 rivals?
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Quite.
I meant our rivals to finish in the top four, you can possibly include Everton in there and possibly Villa. It will be very very tough for us this season i suspect.... lets hope we get them new owners as it cant get better as it is.
I would like to see our weekly wage expense account and compare that to gate collection.
We should be in a better position than last season surely?
We have shipped out at least 5 or 6 high earners.
Aquilani, Rierra, Masher, Benayoun, Insua, Cavelieri
A few of the leaches like El Zhar, Plessis and a couple of youngsters.
Surely that should have a postive impact on the weekly income?
When is the new television deal going through?
If we consider the ticket price increase/new sponsor deal/reduced wage/new tv deal....surely we should be able to generate some profit?
We should be in a better position than last season surely?
We have shipped out at least 5 or 6 high earners.
Aquilani, Rierra, Masher, Benayoun, Insua, Cavelieri
A few of the leaches like El Zhar, Plessis and a couple of youngsters.
Surely that should have a postive impact on the weekly income?
When is the new television deal going through?
If we consider the ticket price increase/new sponsor deal/reduced wage/new tv deal....surely we should be able to generate some profit?
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41718.msg1168333#msg1168333 date=1283327481]
We have 6,500,000 PROFIT so far on Transfers
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Benitez.
We have 6,500,000 PROFIT so far on Transfers
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Benitez.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41718.msg1168558#msg1168558 date=1283342621]
[quote author=DBP link=topic=41718.msg1168535#msg1168535 date=1283340650]
Nobody takes into account Rafa's payoff when discussing transfer funds.
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Becuse it wasn't a transfer?
I don't factor in wages, the cost of policing match-days, interest payments on the debt or electricity bills in the overall transfer budget either,
Purssssslow and the rest of the liars do, though
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It's a one time payment on staff. It had a significant impact when Houllier left as well.
Regardless of how it's accounted for, it makes precious little difference when we aren't even able to get basic, operational loans.
[quote author=DBP link=topic=41718.msg1168535#msg1168535 date=1283340650]
Nobody takes into account Rafa's payoff when discussing transfer funds.
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Becuse it wasn't a transfer?
I don't factor in wages, the cost of policing match-days, interest payments on the debt or electricity bills in the overall transfer budget either,
Purssssslow and the rest of the liars do, though
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It's a one time payment on staff. It had a significant impact when Houllier left as well.
Regardless of how it's accounted for, it makes precious little difference when we aren't even able to get basic, operational loans.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41718.msg1168629#msg1168629 date=1283349274]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41718.msg1168333#msg1168333 date=1283327481]
We have 6,500,000 PROFIT so far on Transfers
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Benitez.
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No.
We was promised a 'war chest' to purchace players.
We didn't get even our usual 14 Million, we got Fuck all.
We sold players, and bought some players.
We made a profit on the buying and selling of those players AFTER Rafa had been paid off.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41718.msg1168333#msg1168333 date=1283327481]
We have 6,500,000 PROFIT so far on Transfers
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Benitez.
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No.
We was promised a 'war chest' to purchace players.
We didn't get even our usual 14 Million, we got Fuck all.
We sold players, and bought some players.
We made a profit on the buying and selling of those players AFTER Rafa had been paid off.
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41718.msg1168645#msg1168645 date=1283350558]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41718.msg1168629#msg1168629 date=1283349274]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41718.msg1168333#msg1168333 date=1283327481]
We have 6,500,000 PROFIT so far on Transfers
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Benitez.
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No.
We was promised a 'war chest' to purchace players.
We didn't get even our usual 14 Million, we got Fuck all.
We sold players, and bought some players.
We made a profit on the buying and selling of those players AFTER Rafa had been paid off.
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I think we were about neutral after all that, though it's very difficult to say given the random little unaccounted for payments.
Regardless, what are you so worked up about this for? Were you expecting a transfer budget of any kind with the current owners? If so, you aren't very bright.
We got our usual transfer budget over the last 4 or so windows, nothing spent, or a profit taken. It might have something to do with our owners being effectively bankrupt.
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=41718.msg1168629#msg1168629 date=1283349274]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41718.msg1168333#msg1168333 date=1283327481]
We have 6,500,000 PROFIT so far on Transfers
[/quote]
Benitez.
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No.
We was promised a 'war chest' to purchace players.
We didn't get even our usual 14 Million, we got Fuck all.
We sold players, and bought some players.
We made a profit on the buying and selling of those players AFTER Rafa had been paid off.
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I think we were about neutral after all that, though it's very difficult to say given the random little unaccounted for payments.
Regardless, what are you so worked up about this for? Were you expecting a transfer budget of any kind with the current owners? If so, you aren't very bright.
We got our usual transfer budget over the last 4 or so windows, nothing spent, or a profit taken. It might have something to do with our owners being effectively bankrupt.
Anyway, we were told in June.
With the sad departure of Rafa Benitez, it has emerged that Liverpool's boardroom were only willing to give Rafa a paltry £5 million to spend on new players, the next manager of Liverpool will be given between £15 to £20 million to spend on new players.
As I reported last week, the current board of Broughton, Purslow, Ayre and Nash were unwilling to give that kind of money to Rafa as his transfer dealings at Liverpool have been mixed ,to say the least.
Now, Christian Purslow, ironically the man who replaced Rick Parry at Rafa's behest, is to lead the search for a new manager
He will be assisted by Kenny Dalglish an Anfield legend who managed Liverpool's last League title as they look to bring in a high-profile new coach.
Dalglish is unlikely to play a role in the future management of the club, and the Reds are happy for Benitez's assistant, Sammy Lee, to take the reins until after the World Cup if necessary.
So it seems that the new board mean business and are not willing to put up with failure.
But the promised between 15-20 Million strangley disappeared, there was a quote from Purslow actually saying it, but I can't find it just yet.
With the sad departure of Rafa Benitez, it has emerged that Liverpool's boardroom were only willing to give Rafa a paltry £5 million to spend on new players, the next manager of Liverpool will be given between £15 to £20 million to spend on new players.
As I reported last week, the current board of Broughton, Purslow, Ayre and Nash were unwilling to give that kind of money to Rafa as his transfer dealings at Liverpool have been mixed ,to say the least.
Now, Christian Purslow, ironically the man who replaced Rick Parry at Rafa's behest, is to lead the search for a new manager
He will be assisted by Kenny Dalglish an Anfield legend who managed Liverpool's last League title as they look to bring in a high-profile new coach.
Dalglish is unlikely to play a role in the future management of the club, and the Reds are happy for Benitez's assistant, Sammy Lee, to take the reins until after the World Cup if necessary.
So it seems that the new board mean business and are not willing to put up with failure.
But the promised between 15-20 Million strangley disappeared, there was a quote from Purslow actually saying it, but I can't find it just yet.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41718.msg1168658#msg1168658 date=1283351507]
It might have something to do with missing out on CL money...at least £20M
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Home » LFC News » £20M transfer fund rumours old news
£20M transfer fund rumours old news
by Jason Darby | Thursday 24th September 2009
Today The Independent newspaper published details from a document indicating that Liverpool have a £20M maximum annual transfer kitty till 2014.
The documents are from a prospectus produced last year in an attempt to showcase the club to potential buyers, and were revealed on various Liverpool forums, including LFC Reds, over a week ago (see here). They are also based on two qualifying factors.
1. That the Carlsberg deal would continue
2. That Liverpool would continue to qualify for the Champions League (which brings in about £20M per year)
According to Liverpool Chief Executive Christian Purslow, Liverpool spent £20M this summer (here and here) – however our own figures indicate that in terms of net transfer spend Liverpool made a net transfer PROFIT of £14 M in 2009.
Why the disparity?
It looks to us like some clever accounting.
Liverpool have included the cost of ‘extending contracts’ such as Torres one year extension in to this summer’s transfer spend. They have also only included this summer’s installment payments.
So if we paid our £20M for Aquilani up front, and Real Madrid only paid a £5M installment for their £30M Alonso fee then Liverpool have decided that counts as Liverpool spending £15M on new players.
It might have something to do with missing out on CL money...at least £20M
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Home » LFC News » £20M transfer fund rumours old news
£20M transfer fund rumours old news
by Jason Darby | Thursday 24th September 2009
Today The Independent newspaper published details from a document indicating that Liverpool have a £20M maximum annual transfer kitty till 2014.
The documents are from a prospectus produced last year in an attempt to showcase the club to potential buyers, and were revealed on various Liverpool forums, including LFC Reds, over a week ago (see here). They are also based on two qualifying factors.
1. That the Carlsberg deal would continue
2. That Liverpool would continue to qualify for the Champions League (which brings in about £20M per year)
According to Liverpool Chief Executive Christian Purslow, Liverpool spent £20M this summer (here and here) – however our own figures indicate that in terms of net transfer spend Liverpool made a net transfer PROFIT of £14 M in 2009.
Why the disparity?
It looks to us like some clever accounting.
Liverpool have included the cost of ‘extending contracts’ such as Torres one year extension in to this summer’s transfer spend. They have also only included this summer’s installment payments.
So if we paid our £20M for Aquilani up front, and Real Madrid only paid a £5M installment for their £30M Alonso fee then Liverpool have decided that counts as Liverpool spending £15M on new players.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41718.msg1168658#msg1168658 date=1283351507]
It might have something to do with missing out on CL money...at least £20M
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Yes. Everyone knows we are in debt - whatever the rights and wrongs of us being in that position, that is a fact. We also lost a significant amount of revenue from the CL. Therefore I am surprised that anyone could consider it strange that we did not exactly splash the cash this summer.
Remember what happened when Leeds failed to qualify for the CL that time? They went into total meltdown and had to sell virtually everyone. We might not have seen many big money arrivals this summer - although we did buy a few - but we didn't have to sell our star players to balance the books at least.
It might have something to do with missing out on CL money...at least £20M
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Yes. Everyone knows we are in debt - whatever the rights and wrongs of us being in that position, that is a fact. We also lost a significant amount of revenue from the CL. Therefore I am surprised that anyone could consider it strange that we did not exactly splash the cash this summer.
Remember what happened when Leeds failed to qualify for the CL that time? They went into total meltdown and had to sell virtually everyone. We might not have seen many big money arrivals this summer - although we did buy a few - but we didn't have to sell our star players to balance the books at least.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41718.msg1168737#msg1168737 date=1283360200]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41718.msg1168590#msg1168590 date=1283345463]
Barca just made the transfer figure for Masch public,
19,8 mill £
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Definitely not in the ballpark we were talking about, Sunny.
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Is that including the appearance fees etc?
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41718.msg1168590#msg1168590 date=1283345463]
Barca just made the transfer figure for Masch public,
19,8 mill £
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Definitely not in the ballpark we were talking about, Sunny.
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Is that including the appearance fees etc?
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41718.msg1168662#msg1168662 date=1283351943]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41718.msg1168658#msg1168658 date=1283351507]
It might have something to do with missing out on CL money...at least £20M
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Yes. Everyone knows we are in debt - whatever the rights and wrongs of us being in that position, that is a fact. We also lost a significant amount of revenue from the CL. Therefore I am surprised that anyone could consider it strange that we did not exactly splash the cash this summer.
Remember what happened when Leeds failed to qualify for the CL that time? They went into total meltdown and had to sell virtually everyone. We might not have seen many big money arrivals this summer - although we did buy a few - but we didn't have to sell our star players to balance the books at least.
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Leeds wasn't the 6th most valuable club in the world though.
Rank Team Country Value ($m)[3] Debt as
% of value[4] % change
on year Revenue ($m) Operating
income ($m)[5]
1 Manchester United England 1,835 46 -2 459 150
2 Real Madrid Spain 1,323 54 -2 563 130
3 Arsenal England 1,181 41 -2 369 102
4 FC Barcelona Spain 1,000 0 4 513 113
5 Bayern Munich Germany 990 14 -11 406 61
6 Liverpool England 822 47 -19 304 37
7 AC Milan Italy 800 0 -19 276 41
8 Juventus Italy 656 3 9 285 57
9 Chelsea England 646 8 -19 340 -73
10 Internazionale Italy 413 0 12 276 -14
11 Schalke 04 Germany 384 50 -25 175 -7
12 Tottenham Hotspur England 372 29 -16 186 35
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41718.msg1168658#msg1168658 date=1283351507]
It might have something to do with missing out on CL money...at least £20M
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Yes. Everyone knows we are in debt - whatever the rights and wrongs of us being in that position, that is a fact. We also lost a significant amount of revenue from the CL. Therefore I am surprised that anyone could consider it strange that we did not exactly splash the cash this summer.
Remember what happened when Leeds failed to qualify for the CL that time? They went into total meltdown and had to sell virtually everyone. We might not have seen many big money arrivals this summer - although we did buy a few - but we didn't have to sell our star players to balance the books at least.
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Leeds wasn't the 6th most valuable club in the world though.
Rank Team Country Value ($m)[3] Debt as
% of value[4] % change
on year Revenue ($m) Operating
income ($m)[5]
1 Manchester United England 1,835 46 -2 459 150
2 Real Madrid Spain 1,323 54 -2 563 130
3 Arsenal England 1,181 41 -2 369 102
4 FC Barcelona Spain 1,000 0 4 513 113
5 Bayern Munich Germany 990 14 -11 406 61
6 Liverpool England 822 47 -19 304 37
7 AC Milan Italy 800 0 -19 276 41
8 Juventus Italy 656 3 9 285 57
9 Chelsea England 646 8 -19 340 -73
10 Internazionale Italy 413 0 12 276 -14
11 Schalke 04 Germany 384 50 -25 175 -7
12 Tottenham Hotspur England 372 29 -16 186 35
Who's calculating that value though? And how come Barcelona are listed as having zero debt, despite all the newspaper headlines to the contrary?
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41718.msg1168657#msg1168657 date=1283351392]
Anyway, we were told in June.
With the sad departure of Rafa Benitez, it has emerged that Liverpool's boardroom were only willing to give Rafa a paltry £5 million to spend on new players, the next manager of Liverpool will be given between £15 to £20 million to spend on new players.
As I reported last week, the current board of Broughton, Purslow, Ayre and Nash were unwilling to give that kind of money to Rafa as his transfer dealings at Liverpool have been mixed ,to say the least.
Now, Christian Purslow, ironically the man who replaced Rick Parry at Rafa's behest, is to lead the search for a new manager
He will be assisted by Kenny Dalglish an Anfield legend who managed Liverpool's last League title as they look to bring in a high-profile new coach.
Dalglish is unlikely to play a role in the future management of the club, and the Reds are happy for Benitez's assistant, Sammy Lee, to take the reins until after the World Cup if necessary.
So it seems that the new board mean business and are not willing to put up with failure.
But the promised between 15-20 Million strangley disappeared, there was a quote from Purslow actually saying it, but I can't find it just yet.
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So nobody promised a warchest then ?
That's what I would have thought, because there isn't any surplus money in the club. Where do people expect it to come from ?
Anyway, we were told in June.
With the sad departure of Rafa Benitez, it has emerged that Liverpool's boardroom were only willing to give Rafa a paltry £5 million to spend on new players, the next manager of Liverpool will be given between £15 to £20 million to spend on new players.
As I reported last week, the current board of Broughton, Purslow, Ayre and Nash were unwilling to give that kind of money to Rafa as his transfer dealings at Liverpool have been mixed ,to say the least.
Now, Christian Purslow, ironically the man who replaced Rick Parry at Rafa's behest, is to lead the search for a new manager
He will be assisted by Kenny Dalglish an Anfield legend who managed Liverpool's last League title as they look to bring in a high-profile new coach.
Dalglish is unlikely to play a role in the future management of the club, and the Reds are happy for Benitez's assistant, Sammy Lee, to take the reins until after the World Cup if necessary.
So it seems that the new board mean business and are not willing to put up with failure.
But the promised between 15-20 Million strangley disappeared, there was a quote from Purslow actually saying it, but I can't find it just yet.
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So nobody promised a warchest then ?
That's what I would have thought, because there isn't any surplus money in the club. Where do people expect it to come from ?
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41718.msg1168770#msg1168770 date=1283363421]
What point are you trying to make, Asbo?
That our money is disappearing into repaying debts?
Of course they are.
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The more worrying (and important) part is that we're running at a loss even when you exclude interest payments. We're in bad shape.
What point are you trying to make, Asbo?
That our money is disappearing into repaying debts?
Of course they are.
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The more worrying (and important) part is that we're running at a loss even when you exclude interest payments. We're in bad shape.
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