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Blows my mind they think he's worth the incoming PR shitstorm.

Football can ride a lot out, but that transcript of his interaction with the victim is harrowing, and will not be easily forgotten.
I'm surprised anyone is surprised. They know he's worth millions and football is about money. If he was a shit player like ched Evans it's easy to discard them. But someone who is potentially worth 100m they want to keep. Ignore all the moralistic bullshit clubs come out with its always about money.
 
Because most modern women would sell their soul for money. She's not leaving that millionaire lifestyle and have to go back and work.

That may be part of it, but there could well be more besides. As others have said, it's often very difficult for an abuse victim actually to leave a relationship. There are complex psychological reasons why this happens and it's hard to understand, but happen it certainly does. My first job after graduating was in the office at Bristol County Court, one of the biggest in the country, and more than once we had to arrange to pause or even abandon divorce and other proceedings because of this kind of last minute about-face by women who had been abuse victims.
 
Because most modern women would sell their soul for money. She's not leaving that millionaire lifestyle and have to go back and work.
I seem to remember she was an influencer type who made a lot herself so maybe not all about the cash
 
That may be part of it, but there could well be more besides. As others have said, it's often very difficult for an abuse victim actually to leave a relationship. There are complex psychological reasons why this happens and it's hard to understand, but happen it certainly does. My first job after graduating was in the office at Bristol County Court, one of the biggest in the country, and more than once we had to arrange to pause or even abandon divorce and other proceedings because of this kind of last minute about-face by women who had been abuse victims.

THere's even some relationships where it's the other way around. Complex and very sad indeed.
 
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Manchester United’s Mason Greenwood return plan included list of ‘hostile’ figures

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By Adam Crafton
13m ago

Manchester United’s plan to bring back Mason Greenwood was so advanced that the club even prepared documents outlining the type of images that should be taken of the player during training sessions and planned how manager Erik ten Hag should handle questions during an anticipated media storm.
According to sources with knowledge of United’s planning, who remain anonymous because they are not authorised to speak publicly, the club’s preparations for Greenwood’s return also included an assessment of the expected sentiment of external figures, listing individual football pundits, journalists and politicians and stating whether they would be for or against Greenwood’s reintegration. The planning divided these people into categories to the effect of “supportive”, “open-minded” or “hostile”. The club’s document listed a series of domestic abuse charities assumed to be “hostile”.
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The Athletic’s story on Wednesday that United chief executive Richard Arnold held a meeting with the club’s executive leadership in the first week of August, in which he informed them United were planning to bring back Greenwood, has caused unrest inside and outside the club, with supporters voicing their opinions in letters and on social media, and intense staff meetings.
Greenwood, 21, has not played for United since he was arrested in January 2022 after a recording and images were released on social media of an alleged sexual attack.
Charges against Greenwood for attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour, and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, all of which he denied, were dropped in February of this year. The UK’s Crown Prosecution Service said: “A combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction.” After the criminal case ended, United stated on February 2 the club would “conduct its own process before determining next steps”.
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Greenwood arriving at court last November (Cameron Smith/Getty Images)
Earlier this week, United said in a statement that “the welfare and perspective of the alleged victim has been central to the club’s inquiries”. United’s process was led by Arnold, assisted by the club’s legal counsel Patrick Stewart, communications chief Ellie Norman, football director John Murtough and the chief operating officer, Collette Roche.
The internal process has not consulted any charities specialised in supporting women in cases where alleged domestic or sexual abuse has occurred.
A scheduled announcement for Friday, August 4 regarding Greenwood’s future was delayed. United had planned to engage with key stakeholders such as sponsors, the fan advisory board and the women’s team in the two days leading up to August 4. It was also at this stage that United’s planning had given consideration to the possibility of briefing charities to support women who report sexual abuse on the explanations behind their proposed decision. The continued involvement of Manchester United female players at the World Cup was believed to be a factor behind the delay.
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The Athletic’s reporting of United’s intentions on Wednesday has triggered a significant backlash on social media from football supporters who are opposed to Greenwood’s return and the club’s sentiment trackers, which monitor supporter feeling online, have plummeted in recent days.
On Thursday, the prominent British television presenter Rachel Riley warned she would not continue to support the club if Greenwood returned and her social media posts were sent between staff members at the club.

The Athletic has also been told by sources close to the club, who will remain anonymous in order to protect their positions, that senior Manchester United executives held multiple intense meetings with staff after we reported on Wednesday that some employees feel ashamed by the club’s decision. Some staff members have discussed resigning in the event United continue to pursue the plan laid out by Arnold, while others have considered coordinated action, with some staff even exploring a strike.
The most extreme measures, however, remain hypothetical until the club formally communicates a decision, while it is also the reality of a situation such as this that aggrieved employees are more likely to speak to journalists than those who are either on the fence or supportive of the decision.
United’s concern on Thursday and Friday, however, was sufficient for crisis meetings to take place, which involved United executives seeking to justify a return for Greenwood to staff, while also claiming no final decision had been made. Many staff were left with the impression, though, that the plan to bring him back remains.

Read more: Mason Greenwood and Manchester United: The charges, investigation and planned return

One point that is cutting through to the club’s executive leadership centres on staff members asking how they are supposed to justify a decision to bring back Greenwood to their friends and families. United said in Wednesday’s statement that “we also have responsibilities to Mason as an employee, as a young person who has been with the club since the age of seven, and as a new father with a partner”. Some staff also wondered why the club having a duty of care to Greenwood means him playing for the club again, suggesting that it is possible to look after him while not playing.
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Manchester United Supporters Trust, MUWSC, which supports the women’s team, and the Rainbow Devils have each sent out surveys to their members. More than half of the membership of the LGBTQ+ supporters group Rainbow Devils have responded in the first 24 hours — a significantly quicker response than when members were asked about the potential Qatari ownership of United.
The Athletic has also opened its own survey and given subscribers a chance to express their views on the matter given comments are turned off on pieces relating to Greenwood for legal reasons.
Fans have been sending impassioned emails to Arnold on the topic, some of which have also been posted on social media. Others have been shared with The Athletic by concerned fans. The club has been responding to the emails by telling supporters that United “are extremely mindful of their views” but added that the club “also believe that our decision in this case should be based primarily on the findings of our investigation”.
It remains to be seen as to whether United’s decision is impacted by the response, with staff expecting an announcement on Greenwood’s future before the end of this month.
In Wednesday’s statement, the club said a decision had not been made. In subsequent correspondence with supporters, United referred to a “final decision” not having been made.
United’s internal unrest increased on Wednesday when the club simultaneously issued a press release and an all-staff email about the Greenwood situation. The club’s statement had not been planned and represented their response to learning of The Athletic’s intention to report on Arnold telling his executive leadership about the club’s plans to bring back Greenwood. In the statement, the club claimed a decision had not been made.
United have, over the past six months, prepared extensive documents modelling scenarios for any outcome of an investigation, including a loan move away from the club or a parting of the ways, but the plan communicated by Arnold to Manchester United’s most senior staff a fortnight ago centred on Greenwood returning to the club.
It included guidance on how head coach Ten Hag should respond to the highly sensitive questions that would be expected during press conferences following Greenwood’s return and how, after a certain period of time, he should begin to talk about Greenwood as though he is a regular member of the playing squad. Both Ten Hag and the club’s football director, John Murtough, are supportive and encouraging of Greenwood’s return.
The plan to stage-manage Greenwood’s return went to the lengths of detailing the type of training images that should be taken of Greenwood and how they should be transmitted on club channels. The plan also included the possibility of Greenwood himself doing an extended interview in a few months’ time, once he has bedded back into the club. The medium — whether in-house or via an external broadcaster — of the interview is not clear.
United’s planning for Greenwood’s return also contains extensive ongoing psychological and physical support, which includes the player being offered a form of counselling or therapy.
A Manchester United spokesman said: “Manchester United has planned for various potential scenarios in relation to the future of Mason Greenwood. The Athletic has been leaked selective elements of one such scenario plan from several weeks ago. This is a difficult and sensitive case. It is entirely proper that we have taken a careful and thorough approach to planning for the various potential outcomes, including how we would engage with stakeholders and explain the decision after it is made. As previously stated, we are in the final stages of that process and will bring it to a conclusion as soon as possible.”
 
Just WOW

Manchester United’s Mason Greenwood return plan included list of ‘hostile’ figures

GettyImages-1366260599-scaled-e1692360773481-1024x682.jpg

By Adam Crafton
13m ago

Manchester United’s plan to bring back Mason Greenwood was so advanced that the club even prepared documents outlining the type of images that should be taken of the player during training sessions and planned how manager Erik ten Hag should handle questions during an anticipated media storm.
According to sources with knowledge of United’s planning, who remain anonymous because they are not authorised to speak publicly, the club’s preparations for Greenwood’s return also included an assessment of the expected sentiment of external figures, listing individual football pundits, journalists and politicians and stating whether they would be for or against Greenwood’s reintegration. The planning divided these people into categories to the effect of “supportive”, “open-minded” or “hostile”. The club’s document listed a series of domestic abuse charities assumed to be “hostile”.
ADVERTISEMENT
The Athletic’s story on Wednesday that United chief executive Richard Arnold held a meeting with the club’s executive leadership in the first week of August, in which he informed them United were planning to bring back Greenwood, has caused unrest inside and outside the club, with supporters voicing their opinions in letters and on social media, and intense staff meetings.
Greenwood, 21, has not played for United since he was arrested in January 2022 after a recording and images were released on social media of an alleged sexual attack.
Charges against Greenwood for attempted rape, controlling and coercive behaviour, and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, all of which he denied, were dropped in February of this year. The UK’s Crown Prosecution Service said: “A combination of the withdrawal of key witnesses and new material meant there was no longer a realistic prospect of conviction.” After the criminal case ended, United stated on February 2 the club would “conduct its own process before determining next steps”.
Mason-Greenwood-Manchester-United-scaled-e1675378533883.jpg


Greenwood arriving at court last November (Cameron Smith/Getty Images)
Earlier this week, United said in a statement that “the welfare and perspective of the alleged victim has been central to the club’s inquiries”. United’s process was led by Arnold, assisted by the club’s legal counsel Patrick Stewart, communications chief Ellie Norman, football director John Murtough and the chief operating officer, Collette Roche.
The internal process has not consulted any charities specialised in supporting women in cases where alleged domestic or sexual abuse has occurred.
A scheduled announcement for Friday, August 4 regarding Greenwood’s future was delayed. United had planned to engage with key stakeholders such as sponsors, the fan advisory board and the women’s team in the two days leading up to August 4. It was also at this stage that United’s planning had given consideration to the possibility of briefing charities to support women who report sexual abuse on the explanations behind their proposed decision. The continued involvement of Manchester United female players at the World Cup was believed to be a factor behind the delay.
ADVERTISEMENT
The Athletic’s reporting of United’s intentions on Wednesday has triggered a significant backlash on social media from football supporters who are opposed to Greenwood’s return and the club’s sentiment trackers, which monitor supporter feeling online, have plummeted in recent days.
On Thursday, the prominent British television presenter Rachel Riley warned she would not continue to support the club if Greenwood returned and her social media posts were sent between staff members at the club.

The Athletic has also been told by sources close to the club, who will remain anonymous in order to protect their positions, that senior Manchester United executives held multiple intense meetings with staff after we reported on Wednesday that some employees feel ashamed by the club’s decision. Some staff members have discussed resigning in the event United continue to pursue the plan laid out by Arnold, while others have considered coordinated action, with some staff even exploring a strike.
The most extreme measures, however, remain hypothetical until the club formally communicates a decision, while it is also the reality of a situation such as this that aggrieved employees are more likely to speak to journalists than those who are either on the fence or supportive of the decision.
United’s concern on Thursday and Friday, however, was sufficient for crisis meetings to take place, which involved United executives seeking to justify a return for Greenwood to staff, while also claiming no final decision had been made. Many staff were left with the impression, though, that the plan to bring him back remains.

Read more: Mason Greenwood and Manchester United: The charges, investigation and planned return

One point that is cutting through to the club’s executive leadership centres on staff members asking how they are supposed to justify a decision to bring back Greenwood to their friends and families. United said in Wednesday’s statement that “we also have responsibilities to Mason as an employee, as a young person who has been with the club since the age of seven, and as a new father with a partner”. Some staff also wondered why the club having a duty of care to Greenwood means him playing for the club again, suggesting that it is possible to look after him while not playing.
ADVERTISEMENT
Manchester United Supporters Trust, MUWSC, which supports the women’s team, and the Rainbow Devils have each sent out surveys to their members. More than half of the membership of the LGBTQ+ supporters group Rainbow Devils have responded in the first 24 hours — a significantly quicker response than when members were asked about the potential Qatari ownership of United.
The Athletic has also opened its own survey and given subscribers a chance to express their views on the matter given comments are turned off on pieces relating to Greenwood for legal reasons.
Fans have been sending impassioned emails to Arnold on the topic, some of which have also been posted on social media. Others have been shared with The Athletic by concerned fans. The club has been responding to the emails by telling supporters that United “are extremely mindful of their views” but added that the club “also believe that our decision in this case should be based primarily on the findings of our investigation”.
It remains to be seen as to whether United’s decision is impacted by the response, with staff expecting an announcement on Greenwood’s future before the end of this month.
In Wednesday’s statement, the club said a decision had not been made. In subsequent correspondence with supporters, United referred to a “final decision” not having been made.
United’s internal unrest increased on Wednesday when the club simultaneously issued a press release and an all-staff email about the Greenwood situation. The club’s statement had not been planned and represented their response to learning of The Athletic’s intention to report on Arnold telling his executive leadership about the club’s plans to bring back Greenwood. In the statement, the club claimed a decision had not been made.
United have, over the past six months, prepared extensive documents modelling scenarios for any outcome of an investigation, including a loan move away from the club or a parting of the ways, but the plan communicated by Arnold to Manchester United’s most senior staff a fortnight ago centred on Greenwood returning to the club.
It included guidance on how head coach Ten Hag should respond to the highly sensitive questions that would be expected during press conferences following Greenwood’s return and how, after a certain period of time, he should begin to talk about Greenwood as though he is a regular member of the playing squad. Both Ten Hag and the club’s football director, John Murtough, are supportive and encouraging of Greenwood’s return.
The plan to stage-manage Greenwood’s return went to the lengths of detailing the type of training images that should be taken of Greenwood and how they should be transmitted on club channels. The plan also included the possibility of Greenwood himself doing an extended interview in a few months’ time, once he has bedded back into the club. The medium — whether in-house or via an external broadcaster — of the interview is not clear.
United’s planning for Greenwood’s return also contains extensive ongoing psychological and physical support, which includes the player being offered a form of counselling or therapy.
A Manchester United spokesman said: “Manchester United has planned for various potential scenarios in relation to the future of Mason Greenwood. The Athletic has been leaked selective elements of one such scenario plan from several weeks ago. This is a difficult and sensitive case. It is entirely proper that we have taken a careful and thorough approach to planning for the various potential outcomes, including how we would engage with stakeholders and explain the decision after it is made. As previously stated, we are in the final stages of that process and will bring it to a conclusion as soon as possible.”
Mate you have to Binnify that!
 
The problem United have is that if they are going to terminate his contract at no cost, they need to get into this clause:

3.2.5 [the Payer shall not] knowingly or recklessly do, write or say anything or omit to do anything which is likely to bring the Club or the game of football into disrepute, cause the Player or the Club to be in breach of the Rules or cause damage to the Club or its officers or employees or any match official.

I'd welcome comments from lawyers but it looks to me like one where common sense says obviously what he's done is caught by this, but a court of law might not agree, especially as the criminal charges were dropped (regardless of the circumstances). So they probably figure if they are going to have to pay him off they might as well make some money out of it themselves. My best guess is they will end up selling him off somewhere, and he won't play for them again.

Although if it were up to me I'd tie the little shit to a lamppost in Moss Side somewhere, turn off the CCTV and let the public decide.
 
The problem United have is that if they are going to terminate his contract at no cost, they need to get into this clause:

3.2.5 [the Payer shall not] knowingly or recklessly do, write or say anything or omit to do anything which is likely to bring the Club or the game of football into disrepute, cause the Player or the Club to be in breach of the Rules or cause damage to the Club or its officers or employees or any match official.

I'd welcome comments from lawyers but it looks to me like one where common sense says obviously what he's done is caught by this, but a court of law might not agree, especially as the criminal charges were dropped (regardless of the circumstances). So they probably figure if they are going to have to pay him off they might as well make some money out of it themselves. My best guess is they will end up selling him off somewhere, and he won't play for them again.

Although if it were up to me I'd tie the little shit to a lamppost in Moss Side somewhere, turn off the CCTV and let the public decide.
They'll use that and come to a financial agreement to terminate.
 
What’s the Anthony stuff?
That may be part of it, but there could well be more besides. As others have said, it's often very difficult for an abuse victim actually to leave a relationship. There are complex psychological reasons why this happens and it's hard to understand, but happen it certainly does. My first job after graduating was in the office at Bristol County Court, one of the biggest in the country, and more than once we had to arrange to pause or even abandon divorce and other proceedings because of this kind of last minute about-face by women who had been abuse victims.
That’s a frightening state of affairs.
 
Antony's ex is said to be about to make a complaint to the police about domestic violence by him against her.

And yes, it certainly is. If the victim won't pursue it there's usually nothing more the authorities can do (not officially anyway - I did hear of one case in which a neighbourhood PC paid the abuser a visit and, er, talked him out of further offences).
 
Antony's ex is said to be about to make a complaint to the police about domestic violence by him against her.

And yes, it certainly is. If the victim won't pursue it there's usually nothing more the authorities can do (not officially anyway - I did hear of one case in which a neighbourhood PC paid the abuser a visit and, er, talked him out of further offences).
Worrying.
 
I think United missed an opportunity earlier this summer. They should have announced he was back in training with the squad with a view to sell, not play.
 
There’s clearly a problem here. I was quite stunned that not only was he still in a relationship with his accuser but they now have a child together (thanks for the context, JJ.)

So what happens to him now. Is he not allowed [any] gainful employment? Wasn’t some Chelsea fan sacked from his job, as a lawyer if I recall at all well, for joining in and singing racist songs while stopping a passenger from boarding to train in France?
 
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It’s incredulous to me that in this day and age they’re clearly leaning into bringing the bloke back. Domestic abusers and rapists don’t usually change.

I would imagine it’s a combo of financials and also his solicitors banging the drum and warning United.

and now Antony as well? Yeah not a good look.

and then trying to use the Women’s team as some kind of shield? To justify it. Absolutely sexist shite. Does no one at Man United have wives or young / teenage daughters? It’s so clueless
 
Sorry if stating obvious here but yea Happens all the time. It’s easier for the woman or the abused to hope things change and give it another go. Very common for the complaint to go
Away. And it takes years of abuse for some to move on. “Men that solve marital problems with their fist don’t seem to change”.

There’s clearly a problem here. I was quite stunned that not only was he still in a relationship with his accuser but they now have a child together (thanks for the context, JJ.)

So what happens to him now. Is he not allowed [any] gainful employment? Wasn’t some Chelsea fan sacked from his job, as a lawyer if I recall at all well, for joining in and singing racist songs while stopping a passenger from boarding to train in France?
 
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Sorry if stating obvious here but yea Happens all the time. It’s easier for the woman or the abused to hope things change and give it another go. Very common for the complaint to go
Away. And it takes years of abuse for some to move on. “Men that solve marital problems with their fist don’t seem to change”.
It looks that way and thoroughly depressing at the same time.
 
United and Greenwood part ways

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66554874


"Based on the evidence available to us, we have concluded that the material posted online did not provide a full picture and that Mason did not commit the offences in respect of which he was originally charged."

still cunts, trying to justify their original leniency
Full of shite. How can you justify the videos / sound recordings? You can't. He would have been found guilty if his missus hadn't had a 'change of heart'.
 
United and Greenwood part ways

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66554874


"Based on the evidence available to us, we have concluded that the material posted online did not provide a full picture and that Mason did not commit the offences in respect of which he was originally charged."

still cunts, trying to justify their original leniency

What do you expect from a vile, despicable club?

At least the exec's who's name isn't Richard Arnold came to their senses and took the moral approach and his career there is over....actions do speak louder than words at the end of the day so correct decision.
 
Good. Glad he's been fucked off

He hasn't though... Not yet. They're said to be exploring exactly how to 'cut ties' with him, and one option is a loan deal to some other club. Not exactly 'getting rid', is it? Awful, awful handling of the situation by such a global institute. Shameful stuff.
 
Pretty mental the amount of manure fans on redcafe who think it's political correctness gone mad
 
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