Liverpool v Newcastle Match Thread

[Oncy]

My surname is Crump. I used to get all kinds of shit in school about it when I was small, and my older brother used to tell me that the day he was 16 he'd change it by deed poll. I asked my dad about it and he said that he had solved the situation in his earlier years by insisting everyone called him by his forename and not even acknowledging a shout of Crump, no matter who it was from. I went to bed that night and weighed up the options and decided that on the contrary, I would stare that tiger down and demand that I must be addressed as Crump from that day forth. Even my brother and my wife call me Crump, though they are both Crumps.

I was a British kid growing up in Northern Ireland in the 80's
I had many many nicknames.

A lot of stuff with Orange in the name.

Weirdly the one that sticks in my head is Parsley Orange.

My surname at the time was Bardsley and I was a Brit.

So obviously Parsley Orange.

I was also called Monkey for years.

 

[doctor_mac]

My nickname was Bushpig.

 

[Woland]

Jimmy became my nickname during my elementary school days. It followed me into high school, and my mates from school still call me Jimmy.
I lime the name.

I lime it too.

 

[Woland]

My nickname was Bushpig.

Ah yes, the go-to nickname of those who bang any big fat sweaty bird when all else is lost

 

[Woland]

He should be on Gooner TV with a name like that!

It's weird. He was James, so I called him Jimmy, then Jim, then Jimblarbz... there must have been a cultural reference, then just Blarbz. But I can't figure out why.

 

[jimmy]

I lime it too.

I caught it and fixed it, but I had the feeling you'd be quicker than me...

 

[jimmy]

It's weird. He was James, so I called him Jimmy, then Jim, then Jimblarbz... there must have been a cultural reference, then just Blarbz. But I can't figure out why.

What's Blarbz?

 

[Woland]

My youngest.

 

[jimmy]

I'm sure he's got talent (but it's not my musical taste...).
Is he a red?

 

[Woland]

He make incredibly repetitive music that's difficult to decipher. And yes he's a red.

 

[ILD]

Fucking Firmino man.
Every game get does something utterly beautiful.
Something that makes you smile and remember that you love football.

The way he scooped that ball into his run and the assist he plays for Mane.

It looks so fucking simple, like anyone could do it, but the complexity to take that ball (technically) the way he does, run between the lines as he does facing a full defence, and know when to release it to Mane and not do what every other player would do and spray it wide, and then....and then the fucking ability to play that pass through that gap at the perfect pace and timing.

It's absolutely a work of art.
It was a lovely passing move in a fairly turgid game (thanks to a good effort from Rafa) but some moments you know make you glad you watched regardless.

Roberto is making us a joy to watch.
I know Salah gets the plaudits most weeks and rightly so, wonderful scoring record. But I doubt he could do some of the wonderful things Firmino does. In fact I doubt almost anyone could.

I liked how he took some of their defenders for a walk with him, drew them in and then played the little reverse pass to play in Mane. Firmino won the ball back to start off the move too.

 

[the count]

Even on a bad day Bobby does some beautiful things

 

[leftpeg]

Ryan has a point regarding the people who wrote him off though. The criticism of his previous form and performances was justified obviously, as he wasnt good enough. At all.
But the people who completely wrote him off are the same people who make their minds up about a player after 1 game.

Who wrote him off after one game? As I recall the site was unanimous in its joy and expectation that we had signed a keeper who would consign Mignolet to the bin. He was cut plenty of slack for plenty of time.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Likewise, he's had about 5 decent games. Let's not carried away just yet.

 

[Insignificance]

Likewise, he's had about 5 decent games. Let's not carried away just yet.

It was a nice save. If one of our players, let' say Robertson, har scored on a smilar shot I would allowed myself to get carried away...

 

[6TimesaRed]

Checking to see if Newcastle fans stripped off are whiter than your own teeth

 

[gkmacca]

I was a British kid growing up in Northern Ireland in the 80's
I had many many nicknames.

A lot of stuff with Orange in the name.

Weirdly the one that sticks in my head is Parsley Orange.

My surname at the time was Bardsley and I was a Brit.

So obviously Parsley Orange.

I was also called Monkey for years.

And Uncle. You must have been called Uncle.

 

[gkmacca]

Likewise, he's had about 5 decent games. Let's not carried away just yet.

As I said a while ago, if he gets through the OT game okay, then we can start rating him for better or worse.

 

[Hansern]

Who wrote him off after one game? As I recall the site was unanimous in its joy and expectation that we had signed a keeper who would consign Mignolet to the bin. He was cut plenty of slack for plenty of time.

It doesnt really matter. Several were claiming he wasnt very good because of the low fee.
A few gave up after the first mistakes.

It doesnt matter. He’s had some good games now, so lets hope it continues.

 

[Mystic]

Karius looking the goods again, embarassingly for lots of SCM.

We run the risk of Mignolet syndrome, where a few good months make us forget he's fundamentally good enough. I'd still rather we just bit the bullet and got someone like Allisson in, but it would be unfair not to recognise how much Karius has improved this year.

 

[tombrown]

My nickname was 'brown arse' ... now that's imaginative

 

[moron]

He was fairly poor first half by his standards, fucked up a couple of simple lay offs & passes, gave it away a few times & lost a couple of 50/50 challenges.

The difference it made to our pace of attack & turnover of the ball when he came out & played to his usual standard in the second half was remarkable.

It was also a little worrying, in that if he doesn't or can't play, is that the impact it will always have? If so we won't be able to cope with this absence very well at all.

I don't think it is such a worry if he can't play - we will find a way so long as we have Mane playing - to me he is the key because he is our direct guy that attacks the defenders head on. Salah works around them, Firminio drags them away. That goal that Mane scored was just one moment in which Roberto delivered a clinical pass - who is to say that another player cannot do the same ? but maybe more often. The one thing that Firminio has added to this game this season is the ability to get into those critical goal scoring positions more regularly than ever before - and he is scoring more. It will be that developed talent that would be more harder to replace.

 

[Ryan]

Ahh the standard "in hindsight I was right" pretentious bollocks from Ryan.

When Karius was flapping around, making no saves and fucking up every time he played, we were all wrong lads.

I'm not sure as football fans there's much else we can judge a player on other than form, especially when there's no previous great form to compare poor performances to. Somewhere up their on that higher plane, I'm sure there's some blessed chalkboard that continues to tell you otherwise though.

You're very worked up Mark. Again. It's not personal.

Much like Firmino before him, Karius was fucking pilloried as being a laughing stock who shouldn't be anywhere near the club, nevermind a starting position. It wasn't "criticism of form" Mark, it was the usual hysterical early-label bollocks where he was completely written off and sneered at, that's now being dressed up as something constructive as people hilariously start to backtrack.

It's fine, we all get shit wrong. Just fucking own it when you do.

 

[Ryan]

And just for shits and giggles, "in hindsight":







Covering all eventualities. Gotcha.

Hmmm, there's not really a lot to hang me for there is there? A few cheap gags, and a hopeful punt cos I thought he had something.

He'd played what, 15 games in this league before he recently got the number one spot? Unless someone painfully shouldn't fucking be there from day one (Konchesky, Nunez, Pennant, etc) then it's always worth a bit of time.

He's got fucking miles to go, and he may yet be overtaken by a new signing, but he's clear nowhere near as "fucking shit" as many were happy to point out either.

 

[Halmeister]

In fairness, Karius had been "fucking shit" until recently. Don't see what's wrong with people calling it as it was at the time. Everyone wanted him to succeed.

Likewise, he's doing better now. Good. But let's not go overboard. He has a longer history of playing shite than he does at this current level. He hasn't proven himself a success yet.

I don't recall anyone seriously saying he was shit from day one, either.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

My nickname was 'brown arse' ... now that's imaginative

About as imaginative as your SCM moniker.

 

[Frogfish]

Hmmm, there's not really a lot to hang me for there is there? A few cheap gags, and a hopeful punt cos I thought he had something.

He'd played what, 15 games in this league before he recently got the number one spot? Unless someone painfully shouldn't fucking be there from day one (Konchesky, Nunez, Pennant, etc) then it's always worth a bit of time.

He's got fucking miles to go, and he may yet be overtaken by a new signing, but he's clear nowhere near as "fucking shit" as many were happy to point out either.

I commented, back in Dec 2016 (and I admit I've had a few wobbles in my belief since then and would take an Alisson or Oblak now ahead of him). He was an excellent keeper in Germany so it's all a bit strange how he 'lost it' for a year :

It seems Karius, with his willingness to come out, play sweeper and his far superior distribution, even though far inferior shot-stopping (nothing in it for crosses, maybe Karius shades it) are qualities Klopp values more as better suited to the team's style and tactics. That may be worth more to us in the long run.

Karius was far better in Germany, and Klopp's scouting and coaching teams certainly know what he's capable of far better than Karius' detractors on here, though for whatever reason he hasn't settled yet, however the Bundesliga's #2 keeper doesn't lose it overnight. Therefore I'd give him a lot more time to settle, that will give him confidence and hopefully a considerable step up in performance levels. At least I believe his ceiling is far higher than Mignolet's so therefore worth persevering with.

 

[FoxForceFive]

It wasn't that strange at all. He is a relatively young player in a position where usually players don't excel until they're older than outfield positions, he changes league & country & ends up playing behind a defence that was comically bad at times & bereft of any leadership or organisation.

I said the jury should have been out on him despite him looking shite due to all that.

I'm still not convinced, when he was nervous he looked shite most of the time, & we'll only know how much he's improved after he does make a fuck up (ironically) & see how he plays in the aftermath of that fuck up, but if he keeps this up (no pun intended) til the end of the season, then I'm not sure klopp will want to spend 75m plus of our transfer funds on a keeper & will give him the next season.

 

[keniget]

I, like Ryan, was holding out some hope for him. Maybe solely based on the fact that he kinda looks the part and had so much confidence when he arrived.

That said, his showings warranted all the mud slung his way. On the surface, it just looked like that early confidence was replaced by sheer terror and he looked completely hopeless.

 

[Insignificance]

It wasn't that strange at all. He is a relatively young player in a position where usually players don't excel until they're older than outfield positions, he changes league & country & ends up playing behind a defence that was comically bad at times & bereft of any leadership or organisation.

I said the jury should have been out on him despite him looking shite due to all that.

I'm still not convinced, when he was nervous he looked shite most of the time, & we'll only know how much he's improved after he does make a fuck up (ironically) & see how he plays in the aftermath of that fuck up, but if he keeps this up (no pun intended) til the end of the season, then I'm not sure klopp will want to spend 75m plus of our transfer funds on a keeper & will give him the next season.

Well, according to plenty of People the Sane goal was a major fuck up as well as the West Ham goal was Down to poor positioning which should be "worked on", without that affecting him much. I am not there were I am totally relaxed when opposition get closer to Our Box, but I feel much more confident than I was just a few weeks ago.