Maybe this is their season to to load up on caffeine.
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Maybe this is their season to to load up on caffeine.
I don't want this to turn into another little spat, but I don't understand the way some people think...
Saying That Leeds were crap in defence is true, but were we not equally as bad..? then to add had we not been so we would have hammered them, is also true.
But this is where you lose me..If Leeds had been better in defence does it not follow that We would have been on the end of a hammering..?
So to simply say that If we had played better in defence, without the acknowledgement that leeds could also have done the same seems ill considered
Also could the way that both Our defensive error, and that of Leeds; stemed from the pressure that they both came under..?
Saying That Leeds were crap in defence is true, but were we not equally as bad..? then to add had we not been so we would have hammered them, is also true.
But this is where you lose me..If Leeds had been better in defence does it not follow that We would have been on the end of a hammering..?
So to simply say that If we had played better in defence, without the acknowledgement that leeds could also have done the same seems ill considered
Also could the way that both Our defensive error, and that of Leeds; stemed from the pressure that they both came under..?
Because Leeds haven't been the best team in the world for the past 2 years so it's not really safe to assume they're capable of a near flawless defensive display like we are.
I hope so.
As most here are saying,It is their first match coming up, The Defender Koch is new, nerves play it's part,unluck with the First goal (Pen) had a bad start. He will learn and get better
Yes I understand that, but it is easier to defend against teams that are not so good in attack, and Leeds movement and build up play was quality
Hélder Costa was leaving TAA for dead in a foot race, think Klich goal was class (Their third)
Just think that they are a lot better than you and some here are giving them credit for is all
The first goal was brilliant. The other 2 goals were very preventable. I don't think they're bad offensively, but I also don't think you can just assume they'll automatically improve the multiple-fold needed for them to do well this season.
Its not really a one off when its been happening for months. It was the same as the last several games of 19/20, Europe, pre season, the Community Shield.
Chelsea will fuck us over next week.
That's the spirit !
In all seriousness, there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the midfield is set up at the minute.
Klopp once played Lallana and Gini as holding midfielders. It was a head scratcher but he liked two players infront of the back four who could turn on a six pence and quickly turn defense into attack.
As we've progressed that mantle has gone on to Henderson and Fabinho, who are alot more measured in the way they play, they can put their foot on the ball and slow things down when needed. But he doesn't play them as sitting midfielders in the traditional sense. He allows them to roam, he likes them to press higher up the pitch, to follow the ball, just as we do in attack, the higher the press, the better the chance of a turnover that becomes an attack. The closer to goal, the greater the threat etc.
I noticed people in the match thread yesterday complaining about Fabinho's exclusion. We've been shipping goals with Fab's in the team too. It's not a reflection of him, it just underlines the issue that we have in protecting our defense. We don't want to sacrifice something from attack, so we play that way and take the risk. Teams seem to have got on to the simple tactic of knocking the ball over our midfield, or over our defense. Punt a high ball behind the backline, to make the two covering defenders work, and guaranteed one of two chances will come from it. Exploit the gaps the fullbacks leave, put a play maker between our midfield and defense on the break with a runner ahead and it's too easy to exploit.
Klopp needs a rethink. Thiago won't solve it, because Klopp won't allow a player to just sit in front of the defense, it's not how he plays. Keita, Fabinho, Henderson, Milner, Gini - all can do a job infront of the defense if they are disciplined by the tactics, but we have to cover ground, we have to crowd the ball and that's where a lack of shape and defensive organisation shows itself. Every tactic has it's flaws, but every top manager either shows their flexibility and willingness to adapt, or they fall by their own ego and stubbornness.
Klopp once played Lallana and Gini as holding midfielders. It was a head scratcher but he liked two players infront of the back four who could turn on a six pence and quickly turn defense into attack.
As we've progressed that mantle has gone on to Henderson and Fabinho, who are alot more measured in the way they play, they can put their foot on the ball and slow things down when needed. But he doesn't play them as sitting midfielders in the traditional sense. He allows them to roam, he likes them to press higher up the pitch, to follow the ball, just as we do in attack, the higher the press, the better the chance of a turnover that becomes an attack. The closer to goal, the greater the threat etc.
I noticed people in the match thread yesterday complaining about Fabinho's exclusion. We've been shipping goals with Fab's in the team too. It's not a reflection of him, it just underlines the issue that we have in protecting our defense. We don't want to sacrifice something from attack, so we play that way and take the risk. Teams seem to have got on to the simple tactic of knocking the ball over our midfield, or over our defense. Punt a high ball behind the backline, to make the two covering defenders work, and guaranteed one of two chances will come from it. Exploit the gaps the fullbacks leave, put a play maker between our midfield and defense on the break with a runner ahead and it's too easy to exploit.
Klopp needs a rethink. Thiago won't solve it, because Klopp won't allow a player to just sit in front of the defense, it's not how he plays. Keita, Fabinho, Henderson, Milner, Gini - all can do a job infront of the defense if they are disciplined by the tactics, but we have to cover ground, we have to crowd the ball and that's where a lack of shape and defensive organisation shows itself. Every tactic has it's flaws, but every top manager either shows their flexibility and willingness to adapt, or they fall by their own ego and stubbornness.
Lampard also now hates our guts, he'll make sure all of their players are willing to die for the win. Let us pray some of them do.
Its noticeable now that teams will instantly play long and try to isolate one of our back 4 into a 1 v 1 situation or agressively press the defender in possession. They have very little protection because we push so many players up that if we lose a 50/50 or one of our players gets dispossessed in our defensive third it almost always results in a very good chance.
Even Blackpool have figured this out, our defenders need to play at 100% every week in order not to get exposed. Thats not sustainable, and currently none of them look near 100%.
I think to an extent it's inevitable when a team will put 10 men (or near enough) behind the ball when you're in possession. The attacking team plays a high line to get the team forward and provide passing options in attack but are always going to leave space in behind for the opponents to counter.
City have the same issue. Moreso now that teams aren't quite as terrified of them.
The solution - easier said than done - is to get better in possession (this is where someone like Thiago might help) and be more ruthless with the chances you create (this is where a top class alternative in attack might help).
There was been a bit of a recurring theme of late where we rue missed chances. I don't know what the stats say but some of the decision making and finishing up front definitely feels like it could be improved upon.
Again, City have had the same problem. They still score a lot of goals but without Aguero they lack that ruthless finisher up front.
City have the same issue. Moreso now that teams aren't quite as terrified of them.
The solution - easier said than done - is to get better in possession (this is where someone like Thiago might help) and be more ruthless with the chances you create (this is where a top class alternative in attack might help).
There was been a bit of a recurring theme of late where we rue missed chances. I don't know what the stats say but some of the decision making and finishing up front definitely feels like it could be improved upon.
Again, City have had the same problem. They still score a lot of goals but without Aguero they lack that ruthless finisher up front.
I'd say Sterling has gone someway to bridging that gap for them now though, they can pretty much rely on Sterling to score goals for them, and we all know how unpredictable his finishing was previously, but he definitely gives them a cutting edge now, with or without Aguero.
You're joking right? He's a flat track bully who fluffs it when the pressure is on.
This site is in the total shitter right now, everyone throwing shade on our World Champions and idolizing anyone who doesn't fall on their arse for someone else.
WBA are down 1-0 to Leicester.
I don't see how they can stay up - nothing special anywhere.
I don't see how they can stay up - nothing special anywhere.
We were rusty and a bit complacent but still won. Fuck Leeds.
Definitely. As much as Bobby is integral to how we play and the success we've had, he's also culpable for a lot of our shortcomings in this area. No one is questioning his work ethic or skill, but at a certain point a striker needs to put the ball in the net.
Yesterday saw him dropping deep a lot and with our fullbacks playing fairly contained, the strategy was to spread the ball wide to Mane and Salah. But when Bobby found himself in the box with the ball nothing came of it.
No, thank you. Its happened before and we'll come out of it again. Thankfully there are some shining lights that never go so badly off form as you currently are.
Manè was off it yesterday. He still did this.
Yeah Mane will surely be better next week and defending should gradually improve as well. The Chelsea game is a bit of a concern but they need to integrate like 15 new players and at least one is bound to fail massively, plus they will have to play one of their shit keepers so they can get fucked
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