personally I think given the money he (jose) would have to spend, the strength of the opposition, the current state of our squad at best jose would make us challenge, I very much doubt he would win the league.
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We wouldn't be favourites but I think he would give us a fighting chance.
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He plays football with the excitment of Rafa, I hate this.
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I think that's a myth worth challenging.
Mourinho's first couple of seasons at Chelsea were marked by attacking football with genuine width. Duff and Robben on the wings with Essien and Lampard pushing up behind Drogba - and one holding midfielder (par excellence) in Makele. He also recruited attacking full-backs in Cole and Ferreira. Can you envisage Rafa playing Masher regularly behind two attacking midfielders, with two anti-Kuyts on the wings?
Mourinho's tenure at Chelsea was also marked by regular tonkings of weaker sides whether home or away. Should his side be losing or failing to break down a side he'd also regularly change things at half-time or before (something Rafa never does).
His record at Stamford bridge was simply astounding. Rafa's record at Anfield is good, but there have been too many games (in comparison) where we've lost to an odd goal having failed to break down a defensive opponent. Mourinho's record was, in part, due to a willingness to be bold when the record was at threat.
Sure, Mourinho has a tactical nature (see the Chelsea game the other week), but that tends to come to the fore in big games (and more often than not is successful). Against most opposition his sides score plenty, more often than not through sheer bullying force and belief; something we've been sorely lacking this season.
He'd certainly have our current squad set up in a more attacking manner than at present (he'd most probably trust the excellent Masher to protect the back four on his own) and would no doubt recruit at least one genuine wide threat.
He plays football with the excitment of Rafa, I hate this.
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I think that's a myth worth challenging.
Mourinho's first couple of seasons at Chelsea were marked by attacking football with genuine width. Duff and Robben on the wings with Essien and Lampard pushing up behind Drogba - and one holding midfielder (par excellence) in Makele. He also recruited attacking full-backs in Cole and Ferreira. Can you envisage Rafa playing Masher regularly behind two attacking midfielders, with two anti-Kuyts on the wings?
Mourinho's tenure at Chelsea was also marked by regular tonkings of weaker sides whether home or away. Should his side be losing or failing to break down a side he'd also regularly change things at half-time or before (something Rafa never does).
His record at Stamford bridge was simply astounding. Rafa's record at Anfield is good, but there have been too many games (in comparison) where we've lost to an odd goal having failed to break down a defensive opponent. Mourinho's record was, in part, due to a willingness to be bold when the record was at threat.
Sure, Mourinho has a tactical nature (see the Chelsea game the other week), but that tends to come to the fore in big games (and more often than not is successful). Against most opposition his sides score plenty, more often than not through sheer bullying force and belief; something we've been sorely lacking this season.
He'd certainly have our current squad set up in a more attacking manner than at present (he'd most probably trust the excellent Masher to protect the back four on his own) and would no doubt recruit at least one genuine wide threat.
I just doesn't think he wants to come to lfc, has a complete disregard for any opponents and doesn't care how far he steps over the line in order to get his way. Barca away 2005 when he pretty much finished off the Swedish ref's career.
He will come and moan and the press will suck his cck off for 2yrs then they would get bored of his antics and he would look for a way out. Predictable man and I bet if lfc did offere the role along with another team such as city or even Chelsea, he will choose them over us and make us look even more foolish then we look currently.
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He will come and moan and the press will suck his cck off for 2yrs then they would get bored of his antics and he would look for a way out. Predictable man and I bet if lfc did offere the role along with another team such as city or even Chelsea, he will choose them over us and make us look even more foolish then we look currently.
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Winning titles is great entertainment.
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Winning titles is great entertainment.
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Victory parades are simply thrilling.
Winning titles is great entertainment.
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Victory parades are simply thrilling.
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[quote author=Dahuge link=topic=39571.msg1079139#msg1079139 date=1270028600]
He plays football with the excitment of Rafa, I hate this.
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I think that's a myth worth challenging.
Mourinho's first couple of seasons at Chelsea were marked by attacking football with genuine width. Duff and Robben on the wings with Essien and Lampard pushing up behind Drogba - and one holding midfielder (par excellence) in Makele. He also recruited attacking full-backs in Cole and Ferreira. Can you envisage Rafa playing Masher regularly behind two attacking midfielders, with two anti-Kuyts on the wings?
Was Duff not already there before Mourinho came, and Robben signed previous to his arrival too? Anyhow, I do remember a lot of long ball tactics from Mourinho and Duff/Robben profiting from "second balls" coming down from Drogba in and around the area. Didn't Mourinho get rid of his riches in width in the big games, eg.. Liverpool semis, playing others instead due to "catering for the opposition," an accusation often levelled at our very own manager? Both like their attacking full-backs too.
Mourinho's tenure at Chelsea was also marked by regular tonkings of weaker sides whether home or away. Should his side be losing or failing to break down a side he'd also regularly change things at half-time or before (something Rafa never does).
The subsequent Chelsea sides since he's left have also handed out a fair few drubbings, simply down to the side being stronger, fitter and more talented than a lot of the smaller sides. These wins weren't down to any quick passing football, was more a model of wearing the opposition down into submission. The one thing I do agree with him doing is making changes as quick as him seeing something was wrong, but it wasn't always an asset in his tenure it could be argued.
His record at Stamford bridge was simply astounding. Rafa's record at Anfield is good, but there have been too many games (in comparison) where we've lost to an odd goal having failed to break down a defensive opponent. Mourinho's record was, in part, due to a willingness to be bold when the record was at threat.
Again I'd have to disagree with his sides being bold at home, they played a pretty calm game and usually relied on being solid at the back, then nicking a goal against some teams, and hurting them even more once down. They were a machine no doubt, but it all fell apart for Mourinho when his defenders started getting injured, there wasn't the solidity to rely on and they looked a different side.
Sure, Mourinho has a tactical nature (see the Chelsea game the other week), but that tends to come to the fore in big games (and more often than not is successful). Against most opposition his sides score plenty, more often than not through sheer bullying force and belief; something we've been sorely lacking this season.
I don't doubt the man may be a good motivator, but convincing a team of expensive world-class studded players that they're better than the opposition isn't quite the notable challenge.
He'd certainly have our current squad set up in a more attacking manner than at present (he'd most probably trust the excellent Masher to protect the back four on his own) and would no doubt recruit at least one genuine wide threat.
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I think it'd be genuinely unfair to say Mourinho's tactics would differ anywhere near as much as you've suggested to what we currently have, the main perk of getting him I can see is possibly some more belief and motivation in the ranks, which COULD be what tips us into consistent title challengers.
He's not going to play champagne football though, and if we're not winning trophies under him, it'll be all the same moans and groans.
[quote author=Dahuge link=topic=39571.msg1079139#msg1079139 date=1270028600]
He plays football with the excitment of Rafa, I hate this.
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I think that's a myth worth challenging.
Mourinho's first couple of seasons at Chelsea were marked by attacking football with genuine width. Duff and Robben on the wings with Essien and Lampard pushing up behind Drogba - and one holding midfielder (par excellence) in Makele. He also recruited attacking full-backs in Cole and Ferreira. Can you envisage Rafa playing Masher regularly behind two attacking midfielders, with two anti-Kuyts on the wings?
Was Duff not already there before Mourinho came, and Robben signed previous to his arrival too? Anyhow, I do remember a lot of long ball tactics from Mourinho and Duff/Robben profiting from "second balls" coming down from Drogba in and around the area. Didn't Mourinho get rid of his riches in width in the big games, eg.. Liverpool semis, playing others instead due to "catering for the opposition," an accusation often levelled at our very own manager? Both like their attacking full-backs too.
Mourinho's tenure at Chelsea was also marked by regular tonkings of weaker sides whether home or away. Should his side be losing or failing to break down a side he'd also regularly change things at half-time or before (something Rafa never does).
The subsequent Chelsea sides since he's left have also handed out a fair few drubbings, simply down to the side being stronger, fitter and more talented than a lot of the smaller sides. These wins weren't down to any quick passing football, was more a model of wearing the opposition down into submission. The one thing I do agree with him doing is making changes as quick as him seeing something was wrong, but it wasn't always an asset in his tenure it could be argued.
His record at Stamford bridge was simply astounding. Rafa's record at Anfield is good, but there have been too many games (in comparison) where we've lost to an odd goal having failed to break down a defensive opponent. Mourinho's record was, in part, due to a willingness to be bold when the record was at threat.
Again I'd have to disagree with his sides being bold at home, they played a pretty calm game and usually relied on being solid at the back, then nicking a goal against some teams, and hurting them even more once down. They were a machine no doubt, but it all fell apart for Mourinho when his defenders started getting injured, there wasn't the solidity to rely on and they looked a different side.
Sure, Mourinho has a tactical nature (see the Chelsea game the other week), but that tends to come to the fore in big games (and more often than not is successful). Against most opposition his sides score plenty, more often than not through sheer bullying force and belief; something we've been sorely lacking this season.
I don't doubt the man may be a good motivator, but convincing a team of expensive world-class studded players that they're better than the opposition isn't quite the notable challenge.
He'd certainly have our current squad set up in a more attacking manner than at present (he'd most probably trust the excellent Masher to protect the back four on his own) and would no doubt recruit at least one genuine wide threat.
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I think it'd be genuinely unfair to say Mourinho's tactics would differ anywhere near as much as you've suggested to what we currently have, the main perk of getting him I can see is possibly some more belief and motivation in the ranks, which COULD be what tips us into consistent title challengers.
He's not going to play champagne football though, and if we're not winning trophies under him, it'll be all the same moans and groans.
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Maybe so, but I would be surprised if people suddenly start calling for the return of Benitez.
Whether Mourinho is the right man or not, its fairly obvious that Benitez has failed and has to go
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If Benitez left, it'd be daft to suggest Mourinho wouldn't be one of the best replacements out there, guess its a matter of how much people really feel our slump is down to "negative tactics" versus how much of it is down to player "motivation."
I firmly agree Mourinho would bring an extra motivational edge to the side, but whether he could achieve anything significantly more with the same resources given to Rafa, who regardless of his faults, is clearly a manager of high pedigree (playing similar tactics) is another arguement.
Maybe so, but I would be surprised if people suddenly start calling for the return of Benitez.
Whether Mourinho is the right man or not, its fairly obvious that Benitez has failed and has to go
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If Benitez left, it'd be daft to suggest Mourinho wouldn't be one of the best replacements out there, guess its a matter of how much people really feel our slump is down to "negative tactics" versus how much of it is down to player "motivation."
I firmly agree Mourinho would bring an extra motivational edge to the side, but whether he could achieve anything significantly more with the same resources given to Rafa, who regardless of his faults, is clearly a manager of high pedigree (playing similar tactics) is another arguement.
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I hate him in a 'Brendan-Lucas' fashion, I really do.
Why aren't poeple looking at his record of tenures at clubs? How long was he at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, etc before getting fed-up and leaving?
It'd be the same with us; bored after 2 years and walks out, leaving behind a club that the rest of the World fucking hates with a passion.
We'd be selling our absolute soul letting that pompous cunt manage us.
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he can leave after a year if he wins the title.
I hate him in a 'Brendan-Lucas' fashion, I really do.
Why aren't poeple looking at his record of tenures at clubs? How long was he at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, etc before getting fed-up and leaving?
It'd be the same with us; bored after 2 years and walks out, leaving behind a club that the rest of the World fucking hates with a passion.
We'd be selling our absolute soul letting that pompous cunt manage us.
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he can leave after a year if he wins the title.
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He is an arrogant fucker too though. Never liked him myself or his ego. Most people couldn't stand him yet are warming to him because there's a vaguely outside chance he may manage Liverpool and we're desperate. It was funny though
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how quickly the 'shhhhhhh' has been forgotten
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Exactly. For that alone I don't want him anywhere near our club.
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We brought in Rafa instead of Mourinho for much the same reasons.
Dont think that went so well.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39571.msg1078921#msg1078921 date=1269987532]
He is an arrogant fucker too though. Never liked him myself or his ego. Most people couldn't stand him yet are warming to him because there's a vaguely outside chance he may manage Liverpool and we're desperate. It was funny though
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how quickly the 'shhhhhhh' has been forgotten
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Exactly. For that alone I don't want him anywhere near our club.
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We brought in Rafa instead of Mourinho for much the same reasons.
Dont think that went so well.
Rafa was like Mourinho?
Er, no Saint, he wasn't, that's Avvy's point, with which I partially agree, though I think the way Rafa's Valencia side handed us our @rses on a platter at Anfield had something to do with it too.
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