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Jamie Carragher...

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carra is all over the place currently, however I think there is little to be served by dropping him. to replace him with whom? agger isn't even fit yet.
 
I woudn't be against dropping Carragher for the Greek.

Surely it's times like this we spent £2M on him.
 
I think dropping Carra for playing shite would be counter productive, assuming we think this is a temporary state of affairs. I am not sure he would ever recover from it. Look no further than Brendan.
If he had a slight injury that might be a different matter



regards
 
Well we all know that Rafa isn't a sentimental type of bloke, so it'll be interesting to see what happens when Agger is back to 100% fitness.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35932.msg949043#msg949043 date=1253714661]
Well we all know that Rafa isn't a sentimental type of bloke, so it'll be interesting to see what happens when Agger is back to 100% fitness.
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Ha. So we won't know til 2012 then......
 
This is a big issue for rafa to deal with. Carra's legs seem to have gone therefore resting him is hardly the solution considering it's the start of the season and he had the summer off. Everyone wants him to snap back to the Carra of a couple of years ago however we're not the only ones to notice him struggling and the teams that we're playing against will be instructed to target him and it will be very hard for a lad of such character and pride to be exposed and to be costing the team points.
 
[quote author=vantage link=topic=35932.msg949051#msg949051 date=1253715573]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35932.msg949043#msg949043 date=1253714661]
Well we all know that Rafa isn't a sentimental type of bloke, so it'll be interesting to see what happens when Agger is back to 100% fitness.
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Ha. So we won't know til 2012 then......
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Lucky Carra!
 
someone said something that I'm inclinded to agree with, he is in 'superman' mode i.e. trying to do everything himself. maybe he needs to concentrate on his on game for a while rather than trying to cover for everyone in the back line.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=35932.msg948956#msg948956 date=1253707842]
I'd probably play Carra and Skrtl come Hull but none of them have impressed so far. I can't say who's been the poorer though.

Kyrgiakos' performance last night was probably the best we've seen this Season at the back but then again, that was against rather mediocre opposition.
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Anyone that can player as the covering defender for Dossena and come out of it looking better than mediocre, deserves a medal IMO. Dossena even made Agger look shite more than once in the past.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35932.msg949079#msg949079 date=1253717455]
someone said something that I'm inclinded to agree with, he is in 'superman' mode i.e. trying to do everything himself. maybe he needs to concentrate on his on game for a while rather than trying to cover for everyone in the back line.
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It's a nice theory however it sounds like that someone is trying to convince himself that all is okay.
 
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35932.msg949090#msg949090 date=1253717992]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35932.msg949079#msg949079 date=1253717455]
someone said something that I'm inclinded to agree with, he is in 'superman' mode i.e. trying to do everything himself. maybe he needs to concentrate on his on game for a while rather than trying to cover for everyone in the back line.
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It's a nice theory however it sounds like that someone is trying to convince himself that all is okay.
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Whereas "legs have gone" is far more analytic....
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35932.msg949109#msg949109 date=1253718863]
i remember how henchoz went downhill, that was quick.

carra should be dropped but he won't.
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Yeah Henchoz and Carra are exact comparators, Rafa should DEFINITELY be using that as a selection criteria
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35932.msg949109#msg949109 date=1253718863]
i remember how henchoz went downhill, that was quick.

carra should be dropped but he won't.
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Why should he be dropped Rage?
Who is a better option to replace him against Hull?
 
I don't think he's finished, more like going through a rough patch. Everyone does so at some point, and he's long due his. Unfortunately, I do think he's never going to be as sharp as he once was, but I definitely think he'll pull through this.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=35932.msg949114#msg949114 date=1253719408]
[quote author=rage link=topic=35932.msg949109#msg949109 date=1253718863]
i remember how henchoz went downhill, that was quick.

carra should be dropped but he won't.
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Why should he be dropped Rage?
Who is a better option to replace him against Hull?
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The Greek lad.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=35932.msg949113#msg949113 date=1253719071]
[quote author=rage link=topic=35932.msg949109#msg949109 date=1253718863]
i remember how henchoz went downhill, that was quick.

carra should be dropped but he won't.
[/quote]

Yeah Henchoz and Carra are exact comparators, Rafa should DEFINITELY be using that as a selection criteria
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henchoz was an exceptional defender who would fling himself infront of the ball. i do think he and carra are comparable in many ways.

in any case i too would play the greek lad against hull. why should carra get special treatment? i don't think he's undroppable, do u?
 
Opinion of F365
Unless Jamie Carragher can recover his form over the next few weeks, Rafa Benitez is going to have to make one of the hardest decisions of his Anfield tenure.

Liverpool may lie third in the league behind Chelsea and Manchester United, but few will feel that on the form shown thus far, they will challenge either for Premier League honours this season. Whilst the initial focus was naturally on a team struggling to cope with the loss of the pivotal Xabi Alonso, attention should now (more correctly) be shifted to Carragher and a Liverpool defence that has been unusually tentative and uncertain.

Defensive rigour has been the watchword of Benitez's Liverpool - with Carragher at the heart of those endeavours. But as the Spanish supremo has begun to realise that his side needs to commit greater numbers into attacking areas of the pitch if the club is to make the great leap forward, his defensive lynchpin has begun to show his limitations in trying to meet the new requirements.

Never the quickest, Carragher has made up for that weakness with his ability to read situations, his intelligence and his commitment. However, when Liverpool began to push in earnest for the title in the second half of last season, Carragher began to look increasingly ill at ease.

With the emphasis now firmly on attack, Liverpool's defence naturally has to push further up the pitch to stop the side from getting too stretched. However, concerned about his own lack of pace, Carragher looks unhappy the further away he gets from Pepe Reina's goal. Whether it is deliberate or not, he seems to drop off a little to compensate - upsetting the defensive equilibrium in the process. His vulnerability has not been lost on opponents. Saturday at West Ham saw just another example of Liverpool's opposition seeking to isolate Carragher and expose his frailties with pace.

With Daniel Agger now close to full fitness, Benitez will have to think carefully about how best to deploy him - and whether to move Carragher, a popular figure at the club, aside. Given their youth and promise, Agger and Skrtel were clearly marked down as Liverpool's future centre-half paring - and on the recent evidence, the future may well be now.

Doubts over this pair would centre on their relative inexperience, Agger's lapses of concentration and a feeling that neither is vocal enough to organise the Liverpool rearguard.

On the plus side, both are quick, have the necessary physical attributes - and in Agger, Liverpool have potentially one of the best ball-playing centre-halves in football. The Dane's ability to carry the ball from defence into midfield and beyond, committing opponents as he goes, is unparalleled at Anfield. Agger also possesses fine passing ability, and a serious threat on the opposition goal from distance.

While he may not possess Carragher's experience and defensive capabilities (both should come in time), in an era where having threats from as many positions on the field as possible is key to pushing for honours, Agger should be given his chance to shine. This isn't to say that Carragher should have no role - one could certainly see him playing those games where Liverpool will necessarily sit deeper - but when Liverpool need to overrun supposedly weaker opposition, Carragher's presence is not required. And if his recent form is anything to go by, even that weaker opposition is preying on his decline.

Demoting such a high-profile figure at Anfield - a player who is the heart and soul of the club - would be no easy task. But sentimentality only gets you so far - and certainly won't win you the league. So it should be to the benefit of the club that Benitez has shown in the past that he does not deal in sentimental currency when it comes to players. Given his age, Carragher's days as one of the first names on the team sheet are clearly numbered. Given his form, and his difficulty in adapting to new attacking realities at Anfield, Benitez should act decisively and limit the damage being caused by the Scouser's decline.
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[quote author=Stu link=topic=35932.msg949791#msg949791 date=1253793918]
Did that stupid bint Sarah Winterburn write that?
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Who gives a shit who wrote it? It's an accurate appraisal of the situation.
 
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=35932.msg949939#msg949939 date=1253811139]
does john terry have pace? i've never noticed.
[/quote]John Terry doesnt keep making mistakes, being outpaced and giving away the ball/goals.
I was in the 'lets not panic he'll be fine in a game or two' camp (and probably still am....just) but Beckford had him for breakfast midweek. BECKFORD from Division 3 ffs.
He either shows his true form against Hull or i'd drop him for the Fiorentina game.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=35932.msg949952#msg949952 date=1253813572]
Terry has been exposed due his lack of pace at international level several times, albeit not recently.
[/quote]A slower cb will occassionally be done. If it happens week in week out its an issue.
 
Todays' Daily Mirror, Brian Reade writes.....

"After a draw at Middlesbrough 18 months ago, MUTV was inundated with callers venting their spleen at Ryan Giggs.

His crime was missing a sitter which could have snatched a late victory. His punishment was demands to be pensioned off. Giggs may have helped United lift 24 trophies in 17 years, and his form may temporarily have deserted him, but some fans lost patience and wanted him binned.

Fast forward a month, to May 2008, and Giggs scores the goal that wins the title. His tenth. Fast forward again, to last weekend, and he creates the goal that wins United's greatest derby.

I don't mention this to embarrass the buffoons who called for Giggs' head but to warn the Liverpool ones who are turning on Jamie Carragher in similar style.

He hasn't had a great start to the season, but he's only one part of a kamikaze back-line where full-backs are caught out of position, other centre-backs look zombified, Xavi Alonso's shield has gone, and the team as a whole has forgotten how to defend set pieces.

For some fans to pin all of the blame on Carragher and use it as evidence that he's past it, is laughable. Where's your loyalty to a man who's bled for your side for 13 years? Where's your brain? Carragher is 31, may not be as quick as he was, but his fitness, commitment, organisational and leadership skills are as strong as ever.

One-team legends like Giggs and Carragher have earned the benefit of the doubt when form deserts them.

Instead of fans spouting snide words on phone-ins and forums, they should have a word with themselves."


http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opi...for-your-side-for-13-years-article170869.html
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35932.msg949186#msg949186 date=1253730685]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=35932.msg949113#msg949113 date=1253719071]
[quote author=rage link=topic=35932.msg949109#msg949109 date=1253718863]
i remember how henchoz went downhill, that was quick.

carra should be dropped but he won't.
[/quote]

Yeah Henchoz and Carra are exact comparators, Rafa should DEFINITELY be using that as a selection criteria
[/quote]

henchoz was an exceptional defender who would fling himself infront of the ball. i do think he and carra are comparable in many ways.

in any case i too would play the greek lad against hull. why should carra get special treatment? i don't think he's undroppable, do u?
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Rage in 'talking bollocks' shocker.

So on the basis of a few iffy games, we should just ditch one of the best defenders in Europe?

Ok.
 
You can't completely dismiss the form he's in, Mark.

Reputation is build on constantly performing to the peak of your abilities. Carragher himself would freely admit he's not on the top of his game right now and there looks to be something seriously wrong. I wouldn't be against playing the Greek against Hull. If we don't I cannot see why we bothered buying him in the first place.
 
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