I can't for the life of me understand how Ferguson can think that Suarez is a disgrace to LFC when people like Cantona and Keane were a part of the Scum's recent history.
Is nobody going to say it?
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He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482782#msg1482782 date=1329256871]
He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
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Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
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Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
Missed your medicine again?
Which will tire first, your fingers from being stuck in your ears or your voice from going "Lalalalalalalalalalalalalala" all the time?
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48657.msg1482778#msg1482778 date=1329256404]
You're getting much better at understanding my posts.
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Yes, I was always in danger of succumbing to your ability to sound nearly sane in your posts.
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Yes, imagine if you or someone else did. Perhaps you might draft a legal disclaimer for me to append to the bottom of my posts?
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48657.msg1482778#msg1482778 date=1329256404]
You're getting much better at understanding my posts.
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Yes, I was always in danger of succumbing to your ability to sound nearly sane in your posts.
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Yes, imagine if you or someone else did. Perhaps you might draft a legal disclaimer for me to append to the bottom of my posts?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48657.msg1482783#msg1482783 date=1329256918]
Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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Give over Ross, it has to be clear by now that unsettling Suarez must have been at the forefront of ol' whiskeynose's mind. Just read the litany of criticism aimed at Suarez before the match, clearly aimed at dealing with Suarez when he is on song because his team can't deal with Suarez. For example:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/s...tions-liverpool-over-luis-suarez-case?cc=3436
Pick out the incessant mention of Suarez - Suarez this Suarez that. Yes, you can see that unsettling our best player to blunt his edge before the match was right at the forefront of ol whiskeynose's mind.
Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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Give over Ross, it has to be clear by now that unsettling Suarez must have been at the forefront of ol' whiskeynose's mind. Just read the litany of criticism aimed at Suarez before the match, clearly aimed at dealing with Suarez when he is on song because his team can't deal with Suarez. For example:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/s...tions-liverpool-over-luis-suarez-case?cc=3436
Pick out the incessant mention of Suarez - Suarez this Suarez that. Yes, you can see that unsettling our best player to blunt his edge before the match was right at the forefront of ol whiskeynose's mind.
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482782#msg1482782 date=1329256871]
He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
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Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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Indeed he is so shit clubs are queuing up like vulures to take him off our hands
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482782#msg1482782 date=1329256871]
He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
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Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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Indeed he is so shit clubs are queuing up like vulures to take him off our hands
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48657.msg1482783#msg1482783 date=1329256918]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482782#msg1482782 date=1329256871]
He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
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Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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Indeed he is so shit clubs are queuing up like vulures to take him off our hands
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George, he's on the wind up. Again!
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48657.msg1482783#msg1482783 date=1329256918]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482782#msg1482782 date=1329256871]
He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
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Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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Indeed he is so shit clubs are queuing up like vulures to take him off our hands
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George, he's on the wind up. Again!
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48657.msg1482783#msg1482783 date=1329256918]
Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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Give over Ross, it has to be clear by now that unsettling Suarez must have been at the forefront of ol' whiskeynose's mind. Just read the litany of criticism aimed at Suarez before the match, clearly aimed at dealing with Suarez when he is on song because his team can't deal with Suarez. For example:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/s...tions-liverpool-over-luis-suarez-case?cc=3436
Pick out the incessant mention of Suarez - Suarez this Suarez that. Yes, you can see that unsettling our best player to blunt his edge before the match was right at the forefront of ol whiskeynose's mind.
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You're right, of course. Nothing will have been further from Ferguson's mind since Suarez tore them a new one first time out. The various public references since then to Suarez being a diver and a cheat, Ferguson's very personal involvement in the whole Evra business, his comments afterwards (which even his toadies in the press have been unable to defend) - all good fun and jolly good companee.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=48657.msg1482783#msg1482783 date=1329256918]
Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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Give over Ross, it has to be clear by now that unsettling Suarez must have been at the forefront of ol' whiskeynose's mind. Just read the litany of criticism aimed at Suarez before the match, clearly aimed at dealing with Suarez when he is on song because his team can't deal with Suarez. For example:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/s...tions-liverpool-over-luis-suarez-case?cc=3436
Pick out the incessant mention of Suarez - Suarez this Suarez that. Yes, you can see that unsettling our best player to blunt his edge before the match was right at the forefront of ol whiskeynose's mind.
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You're right, of course. Nothing will have been further from Ferguson's mind since Suarez tore them a new one first time out. The various public references since then to Suarez being a diver and a cheat, Ferguson's very personal involvement in the whole Evra business, his comments afterwards (which even his toadies in the press have been unable to defend) - all good fun and jolly good companee.
Well Judge ... You have to admit, like i_rushie, that our managers (Kenny / Rafa / Roy) all used the media to advertise what a diver and cheat Ronaldo was, not to mention Nani ... We did start that nasty trend ... we can't really complain.
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48657.msg1482778#msg1482778 date=1329256404]
You're getting much better at understanding my posts.
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Yes, I was always in danger of succumbing to your ability to sound nearly sane in your posts.
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His nuttiness is seemingly infectious
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=48657.msg1482778#msg1482778 date=1329256404]
You're getting much better at understanding my posts.
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Yes, I was always in danger of succumbing to your ability to sound nearly sane in your posts.
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His nuttiness is seemingly infectious
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=48657.msg1482938#msg1482938 date=1329301945]
Well Judge ... You have to admit, like i_rushie, that our managers (Kenny / Rafa / Roy) all used the media to advertise what a diver and cheat Ronaldo was, not to mention Nani ... We did start that nasty trend ... we can't really complain.
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Roy? Who was agreeing with Fergie that Torres was a diver? Get a grip man.
Rafas attack was the one man who stood up against what we still see today. the media turned against hiom straight away. Besides that he was not on about divers.
I can't rememeber anyone giving Nani or Ronaldo any word of anything...
Well Judge ... You have to admit, like i_rushie, that our managers (Kenny / Rafa / Roy) all used the media to advertise what a diver and cheat Ronaldo was, not to mention Nani ... We did start that nasty trend ... we can't really complain.
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Roy? Who was agreeing with Fergie that Torres was a diver? Get a grip man.
Rafas attack was the one man who stood up against what we still see today. the media turned against hiom straight away. Besides that he was not on about divers.
I can't rememeber anyone giving Nani or Ronaldo any word of anything...
Neither can I, especially not Kenny. Even if there *are* any quotes I've missed, they most definitely didn't "start that nasty trend". I don't know for sure that Ferguson did, but that's where the smart money would be.
Of course we should complain. If Suarez weren't a diver and a cheat. But he really comes across as one, so it's you could construe those comments as mere observation or a carefully orchestrated vendetta.
Then beyond his involvement as a witness and then in bringing it to the attention of the referee, what was the true extent of his "personal involvement in the whole Evra business"? By the same token, did Kenny's "personal involvement" in talking to the ref indicate some conspiracy to besmirch Evra's reputation? What about Kuyt's or Commolli's?
Above all, if he was really so worried about Suarez's ability to tear his defence a new one, why wait till post-game to brand him a disgrace? I can't for the life of me think why he wouldn't have taken the initiative to psyche Suarez out before the game, and throw him off, as opposed to post-game? What was the point? Make sure Suarez is a quivering bundle of nerves for the next Liverpool-Scum encounter next season?
Oh, he tries to come across as a wily ol fox alright, but I've never thought he had the subtlety or patience for mind games or for such a protracted return on an insult. He's simply had the good fortune of coming up against the likes of Keegan and Wenger, who aren't great at keeping their emotions under wraps.
Then beyond his involvement as a witness and then in bringing it to the attention of the referee, what was the true extent of his "personal involvement in the whole Evra business"? By the same token, did Kenny's "personal involvement" in talking to the ref indicate some conspiracy to besmirch Evra's reputation? What about Kuyt's or Commolli's?
Above all, if he was really so worried about Suarez's ability to tear his defence a new one, why wait till post-game to brand him a disgrace? I can't for the life of me think why he wouldn't have taken the initiative to psyche Suarez out before the game, and throw him off, as opposed to post-game? What was the point? Make sure Suarez is a quivering bundle of nerves for the next Liverpool-Scum encounter next season?
Oh, he tries to come across as a wily ol fox alright, but I've never thought he had the subtlety or patience for mind games or for such a protracted return on an insult. He's simply had the good fortune of coming up against the likes of Keegan and Wenger, who aren't great at keeping their emotions under wraps.
The cause for complaint isn't accuracy or otherwise, it's the act of commenting individually on a player in another team. Despite Wizzy's assertion to the contrary I genuinely don't recall managers from other clubs making nearly as many such remarks as Ferguson down through the years.
Kuyt and Comolli were questioned. I'm not sure whether Kenny approached the ref or was questioned himself, but either way Ferguson got his oar in first and we'll never know what would (or, more to the point, wouldn't) have happened in the absence of that. The main answer to your question though is that Evra's initial version of events, to French TV at pitchside, brushed the incident off, whereas half an hour or so later it had grown into this cause celebre and in every report that I saw at the time it was Ferguson, not Evra himself, who took the lead in making that report.
Why wait till after the game before taking a pop at Suarez? Er, he didn't. He's been on Suarez' case ever since Suarez embarrassed him and his team on that first occasion.
Kuyt and Comolli were questioned. I'm not sure whether Kenny approached the ref or was questioned himself, but either way Ferguson got his oar in first and we'll never know what would (or, more to the point, wouldn't) have happened in the absence of that. The main answer to your question though is that Evra's initial version of events, to French TV at pitchside, brushed the incident off, whereas half an hour or so later it had grown into this cause celebre and in every report that I saw at the time it was Ferguson, not Evra himself, who took the lead in making that report.
Why wait till after the game before taking a pop at Suarez? Er, he didn't. He's been on Suarez' case ever since Suarez embarrassed him and his team on that first occasion.
Look everyone! Another conspiracy! Marca is now trying to win Suarez's favour in order to lure him to Madrid by reporting favourably! Why is the world against us?!
(I've unashamedly plagiarized the translation below from a post by Neil G on TLW)
http://www.marca.com/2012/02/14/futbol/futbol_internacional/resto_de_america/1329222305.html
(I've unashamedly plagiarized the translation below from a post by Neil G on TLW)
http://www.marca.com/2012/02/14/futbol/futbol_internacional/resto_de_america/1329222305.html
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482782#msg1482782 date=1329256871]
He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
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Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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You're missing the point with your headstrong, one tracked, black and white (pardon the pun) analysis once again. I guess the fact he tore them a new one last season and created three of our goals escaped your attention. Or does a player just have to score goals to be a threat? And if that's the case, wouldn't that piss all over your anti-Robbie Keane agenda?
As you were...
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482782#msg1482782 date=1329256871]
He doesn't. What he really thinks - knows, in fact - is that his team can't handle Suarez when he's on song, so he's going about it a different way.
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Yeah the worst finisher in the Premiership is frightening everyone
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You're missing the point with your headstrong, one tracked, black and white (pardon the pun) analysis once again. I guess the fact he tore them a new one last season and created three of our goals escaped your attention. Or does a player just have to score goals to be a threat? And if that's the case, wouldn't that piss all over your anti-Robbie Keane agenda?
As you were...
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=48657.msg1482947#msg1482947 date=1329302917]
Of course we should complain. If Suarez weren't a diver and a cheat. But he really comes across as one, so it's you could construe those comments as mere observation or a carefully orchestrated vendetta.
Then beyond his involvement as a witness and then in bringing it to the attention of the referee, what was the true extent of his "personal involvement in the whole Evra business"? By the same token, did Kenny's "personal involvement" in talking to the ref indicate some conspiracy to besmirch Evra's reputation? What about Kuyt's or Commolli's?
Above all, if he was really so worried about Suarez's ability to tear his defence a new one, why wait till post-game to brand him a disgrace? I can't for the life of me think why he wouldn't have taken the initiative to psyche Suarez out before the game, and throw him off, as opposed to post-game? What was the point? Make sure Suarez is a quivering bundle of nerves for the next Liverpool-Scum encounter next season?
Oh, he tries to come across as a wily ol fox alright, but I've never thought he had the subtlety or patience for mind games or for such a protracted return on an insult. He's simply had the good fortune of coming up against the likes of Keegan and Wenger, who aren't great at keeping their emotions under wraps.
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if you remmeber back to the November game, Fergie was at him already then. Branding him "diving all over the place". How does he get waway with that from the FA and the PFA I dont know, but if you see that game the only guy diving was Downing. I cant see one particular event in the whole game saying Luis dived. Still fergie had a go at him, and noone else?
And another point is that whenever Rooney elbows someone or Rafael throws himself tot eh ground or whoever of his vegetables does something he shouldnt, we don't see a clan of oppsoit managers having a go do we? They mostly stick to their own business and let the autorities handle it as they should, which in most cases is to let the villain go.
Of course we should complain. If Suarez weren't a diver and a cheat. But he really comes across as one, so it's you could construe those comments as mere observation or a carefully orchestrated vendetta.
Then beyond his involvement as a witness and then in bringing it to the attention of the referee, what was the true extent of his "personal involvement in the whole Evra business"? By the same token, did Kenny's "personal involvement" in talking to the ref indicate some conspiracy to besmirch Evra's reputation? What about Kuyt's or Commolli's?
Above all, if he was really so worried about Suarez's ability to tear his defence a new one, why wait till post-game to brand him a disgrace? I can't for the life of me think why he wouldn't have taken the initiative to psyche Suarez out before the game, and throw him off, as opposed to post-game? What was the point? Make sure Suarez is a quivering bundle of nerves for the next Liverpool-Scum encounter next season?
Oh, he tries to come across as a wily ol fox alright, but I've never thought he had the subtlety or patience for mind games or for such a protracted return on an insult. He's simply had the good fortune of coming up against the likes of Keegan and Wenger, who aren't great at keeping their emotions under wraps.
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if you remmeber back to the November game, Fergie was at him already then. Branding him "diving all over the place". How does he get waway with that from the FA and the PFA I dont know, but if you see that game the only guy diving was Downing. I cant see one particular event in the whole game saying Luis dived. Still fergie had a go at him, and noone else?
And another point is that whenever Rooney elbows someone or Rafael throws himself tot eh ground or whoever of his vegetables does something he shouldnt, we don't see a clan of oppsoit managers having a go do we? They mostly stick to their own business and let the autorities handle it as they should, which in most cases is to let the villain go.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482951#msg1482951 date=1329303507]
Why wait till after the game before taking a pop at Suarez? Er, he didn't. He's been on Suarez' case ever since Suarez embarrassed him and his team on that first occasion.
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Well that was a convenient way of avoiding the elephant in the room. Anyway, it's clear as crystal we're never going to agree, so I'm going to leave it at that. Besides, I'm sick and tired of feeling sorry for Liverpool FC, feeling suspicious about media antipathy (or sometimes even acclaim), having the Hicks and Gilette ownership debacle dominate headlines, listening to the FSG takeover play out in the courts and the media, watching Fernando Torres "leave to join a bigger club", then watch the racism sage unfold with the dawning realization that our lawyers have messed up (yet again), and now getting embroiled in a petty meaningless ruckus about a handshake! It's bloody wonder we got to watch any football at all in the past few years!
Why wait till after the game before taking a pop at Suarez? Er, he didn't. He's been on Suarez' case ever since Suarez embarrassed him and his team on that first occasion.
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Well that was a convenient way of avoiding the elephant in the room. Anyway, it's clear as crystal we're never going to agree, so I'm going to leave it at that. Besides, I'm sick and tired of feeling sorry for Liverpool FC, feeling suspicious about media antipathy (or sometimes even acclaim), having the Hicks and Gilette ownership debacle dominate headlines, listening to the FSG takeover play out in the courts and the media, watching Fernando Torres "leave to join a bigger club", then watch the racism sage unfold with the dawning realization that our lawyers have messed up (yet again), and now getting embroiled in a petty meaningless ruckus about a handshake! It's bloody wonder we got to watch any football at all in the past few years!
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[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=48657.msg1482947#msg1482947 date=1329302917]
Of course we should complain. If Suarez weren't a diver and a cheat. But he really comes across as one, so it's you could construe those comments as mere observation or a carefully orchestrated vendetta.
Then beyond his involvement as a witness and then in bringing it to the attention of the referee, what was the true extent of his "personal involvement in the whole Evra business"? By the same token, did Kenny's "personal involvement" in talking to the ref indicate some conspiracy to besmirch Evra's reputation? What about Kuyt's or Commolli's?
Above all, if he was really so worried about Suarez's ability to tear his defence a new one, why wait till post-game to brand him a disgrace? I can't for the life of me think why he wouldn't have taken the initiative to psyche Suarez out before the game, and throw him off, as opposed to post-game? What was the point? Make sure Suarez is a quivering bundle of nerves for the next Liverpool-Scum encounter next season?
Oh, he tries to come across as a wily ol fox alright, but I've never thought he had the subtlety or patience for mind games or for such a protracted return on an insult. He's simply had the good fortune of coming up against the likes of Keegan and Wenger, who aren't great at keeping their emotions under wraps.
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if you remmeber back to the November game, Fergie was at him already then. Branding him "diving all over the place". How does he get waway with that from the FA and the PFA I dont know, but if you see that game the only guy diving was Downing. I cant see one particular event in the whole game saying Luis dived. Still fergie had a go at him, and noone else?
And another point is that whenever Rooney elbows someone or Rafael throws himself tot eh ground or whoever of his vegetables does something he shouldnt, we don't see a clan of oppsoit managers having a go do we? They mostly stick to their own business and let the autorities handle it as they should, which in most cases is to let the villain go.
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The point is, Suarez had earned his reputation for diving long before the first league match -v- the scum. It was all commentators pointed out in the first couple of months of the season. It was all "What a brilliant player, that Suarez, BUT..." Even this forum debated his tendency to go to ground. You can choose to regard it as a carefully orchestrated vendetta by ol whiskeynose, or you could construe it as a commonly shared observation. If you think it's the former, then perhaps you'd be so kind as to answer the next question I bolded for you?
[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=48657.msg1482947#msg1482947 date=1329302917]
Of course we should complain. If Suarez weren't a diver and a cheat. But he really comes across as one, so it's you could construe those comments as mere observation or a carefully orchestrated vendetta.
Then beyond his involvement as a witness and then in bringing it to the attention of the referee, what was the true extent of his "personal involvement in the whole Evra business"? By the same token, did Kenny's "personal involvement" in talking to the ref indicate some conspiracy to besmirch Evra's reputation? What about Kuyt's or Commolli's?
Above all, if he was really so worried about Suarez's ability to tear his defence a new one, why wait till post-game to brand him a disgrace? I can't for the life of me think why he wouldn't have taken the initiative to psyche Suarez out before the game, and throw him off, as opposed to post-game? What was the point? Make sure Suarez is a quivering bundle of nerves for the next Liverpool-Scum encounter next season?
Oh, he tries to come across as a wily ol fox alright, but I've never thought he had the subtlety or patience for mind games or for such a protracted return on an insult. He's simply had the good fortune of coming up against the likes of Keegan and Wenger, who aren't great at keeping their emotions under wraps.
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if you remmeber back to the November game, Fergie was at him already then. Branding him "diving all over the place". How does he get waway with that from the FA and the PFA I dont know, but if you see that game the only guy diving was Downing. I cant see one particular event in the whole game saying Luis dived. Still fergie had a go at him, and noone else?
And another point is that whenever Rooney elbows someone or Rafael throws himself tot eh ground or whoever of his vegetables does something he shouldnt, we don't see a clan of oppsoit managers having a go do we? They mostly stick to their own business and let the autorities handle it as they should, which in most cases is to let the villain go.
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The point is, Suarez had earned his reputation for diving long before the first league match -v- the scum. It was all commentators pointed out in the first couple of months of the season. It was all "What a brilliant player, that Suarez, BUT..." Even this forum debated his tendency to go to ground. You can choose to regard it as a carefully orchestrated vendetta by ol whiskeynose, or you could construe it as a commonly shared observation. If you think it's the former, then perhaps you'd be so kind as to answer the next question I bolded for you?
I thought it was obvious I was taking the piss ...
None of the our managers have made comments about Ronaldo/Nani like Ferguson did about Suarez ...
None of the our managers have made comments about Ronaldo/Nani like Ferguson did about Suarez ...
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[quote author=i_rushie link=topic=48657.msg1482947#msg1482947 date=1329302917]
Of course we should complain. If Suarez weren't a diver and a cheat. But he really comes across as one, so it's you could construe those comments as mere observation or a carefully orchestrated vendetta.
Then beyond his involvement as a witness and then in bringing it to the attention of the referee, what was the true extent of his "personal involvement in the whole Evra business"? By the same token, did Kenny's "personal involvement" in talking to the ref indicate some conspiracy to besmirch Evra's reputation? What about Kuyt's or Commolli's?
Above all, if he was really so worried about Suarez's ability to tear his defence a new one, why wait till post-game to brand him a disgrace? I can't for the life of me think why he wouldn't have taken the initiative to psyche Suarez out before the game, and throw him off, as opposed to post-game? What was the point? Make sure Suarez is a quivering bundle of nerves for the next Liverpool-Scum encounter next season?
Oh, he tries to come across as a wily ol fox alright, but I've never thought he had the subtlety or patience for mind games or for such a protracted return on an insult. He's simply had the good fortune of coming up against the likes of Keegan and Wenger, who aren't great at keeping their emotions under wraps.
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if you remmeber back to the November game, Fergie was at him already then. Branding him "diving all over the place". How does he get waway with that from the FA and the PFA I dont know, but if you see that game the only guy diving was Downing. I cant see one particular event in the whole game saying Luis dived. Still fergie had a go at him, and noone else?
And another point is that whenever Rooney elbows someone or Rafael throws himself tot eh ground or whoever of his vegetables does something he shouldnt, we don't see a clan of oppsoit managers having a go do we? They mostly stick to their own business and let the autorities handle it as they should, which in most cases is to let the villain go.
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The point is, Suarez had earned his reputation for diving long before the first league match -v- the scum. It was all commentators pointed out in the first couple of months of the season. It was all "What a brilliant player, that Suarez, BUT..." Even this forum debated his tendency to go to ground. You can choose to regard it as a carefully orchestrated vendetta by ol whiskeynose, or you could construe it as a commonly shared observation. If you think it's the former, then perhaps you'd be so kind as to answer the next question I bolded for you?
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You can also choose to see it as it was, namely a media bandwagon which Ferguson's comments set rolling in the first place. Nobody that I know, including yours truly, has alleged any pre-planned conspiracy to do it. None would have been necessary. And given that his actions had been instrumental in getting Suarez banned for 8 games until just before the latest game against ManUre, I rather suspect he was satisfied he'd done enough winding-up to be going on with.
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Of course we should complain. If Suarez weren't a diver and a cheat. But he really comes across as one, so it's you could construe those comments as mere observation or a carefully orchestrated vendetta.
Then beyond his involvement as a witness and then in bringing it to the attention of the referee, what was the true extent of his "personal involvement in the whole Evra business"? By the same token, did Kenny's "personal involvement" in talking to the ref indicate some conspiracy to besmirch Evra's reputation? What about Kuyt's or Commolli's?
Above all, if he was really so worried about Suarez's ability to tear his defence a new one, why wait till post-game to brand him a disgrace? I can't for the life of me think why he wouldn't have taken the initiative to psyche Suarez out before the game, and throw him off, as opposed to post-game? What was the point? Make sure Suarez is a quivering bundle of nerves for the next Liverpool-Scum encounter next season?
Oh, he tries to come across as a wily ol fox alright, but I've never thought he had the subtlety or patience for mind games or for such a protracted return on an insult. He's simply had the good fortune of coming up against the likes of Keegan and Wenger, who aren't great at keeping their emotions under wraps.
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if you remmeber back to the November game, Fergie was at him already then. Branding him "diving all over the place". How does he get waway with that from the FA and the PFA I dont know, but if you see that game the only guy diving was Downing. I cant see one particular event in the whole game saying Luis dived. Still fergie had a go at him, and noone else?
And another point is that whenever Rooney elbows someone or Rafael throws himself tot eh ground or whoever of his vegetables does something he shouldnt, we don't see a clan of oppsoit managers having a go do we? They mostly stick to their own business and let the autorities handle it as they should, which in most cases is to let the villain go.
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The point is, Suarez had earned his reputation for diving long before the first league match -v- the scum. It was all commentators pointed out in the first couple of months of the season. It was all "What a brilliant player, that Suarez, BUT..." Even this forum debated his tendency to go to ground. You can choose to regard it as a carefully orchestrated vendetta by ol whiskeynose, or you could construe it as a commonly shared observation. If you think it's the former, then perhaps you'd be so kind as to answer the next question I bolded for you?
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You can also choose to see it as it was, namely a media bandwagon which Ferguson's comments set rolling in the first place. Nobody that I know, including yours truly, has alleged any pre-planned conspiracy to do it. None would have been necessary. And given that his actions had been instrumental in getting Suarez banned for 8 games until just before the latest game against ManUre, I rather suspect he was satisfied he'd done enough winding-up to be going on with.
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I thought it was obvious I was taking the piss ...
None of the our managers have made comments about Ronaldo/Nani like Ferguson did about Suarez ...
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Well I took the piss too 😉
Sorry, should have seen the obvious 🙂
I thought it was obvious I was taking the piss ...
None of the our managers have made comments about Ronaldo/Nani like Ferguson did about Suarez ...
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Well I took the piss too 😉
Sorry, should have seen the obvious 🙂
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Well that was a convenient way of avoiding the elephant in the room. Anyway, it's clear as crystal we're never going to agree, so I'm going to leave it at that. Besides, I'm sick and tired of feeling sorry for Liverpool FC, feeling suspicious about media antipathy (or sometimes even acclaim), having the Hicks and Gilette ownership debacle dominate headlines, listening to the FSG takeover play out in the courts and the media, watching Fernando Torres "leave to join a bigger club", then watch the racism sage unfold with the dawning realization that our lawyers have messed up (yet again), and now getting embroiled in a petty meaningless ruckus about a handshake! It's bloody wonder we got to watch any football at all in the past few years!
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Like this post, it's pretty sad really. So much drama over past few years
Well that was a convenient way of avoiding the elephant in the room. Anyway, it's clear as crystal we're never going to agree, so I'm going to leave it at that. Besides, I'm sick and tired of feeling sorry for Liverpool FC, feeling suspicious about media antipathy (or sometimes even acclaim), having the Hicks and Gilette ownership debacle dominate headlines, listening to the FSG takeover play out in the courts and the media, watching Fernando Torres "leave to join a bigger club", then watch the racism sage unfold with the dawning realization that our lawyers have messed up (yet again), and now getting embroiled in a petty meaningless ruckus about a handshake! It's bloody wonder we got to watch any football at all in the past few years!
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Like this post, it's pretty sad really. So much drama over past few years
Without Ferguson taking the matter up, it would have been left at Evra's pitchside dismissal of it, which is where it belonged because there was no racist intent in what Suarez said and Evra as a Spanish speaker knew it. Everything else, including Suarez' own ill-advised honesty afterwards, takes second place to that. And until *you* face up to *that*, instead of doing your determined "See No Evil" bit, you're going to continue looking faintly pitiful.
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