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[quote author=Graham link=topic=48657.msg1#msg1 date=1329313245]
Didn't Asbo get banned for similar?
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Asbo was a fair bit more aggressive, but yeah, after a few warnings.

We do ban ourselves for breaking the rules & Ross will be banned in similar fashion if he ignores warnings. He can consider this a warning.
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Ha! I am the equivalent of Mancini waving an imaginary card!
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Yeah, you're right, we all think you're a cunt for doing it. 😉
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😛
 
Ross was a bit livery this morning , he had a go at me too FFS, I will just remember it for the next drinkies * [size=8pt] dusts knuckleduster[/size]
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=48657.msg1483073#msg1483073 date=1329317806]
Ross was a bit livery this morning , he had a go at me too FFS, I will just remember it for the next drinkies * [size=8pt] dusts knuckleduster[/size]
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*waves imaginary card with Italian flourish*
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1482983#msg1482983 date=1329307604]
Without Ferguson taking the matter up, it would have been left at Evra's pitchside dismissal of it, which is where it belonged because there was no racist intent in what Suarez said and Evra as a Spanish speaker knew it. Everything else, including Suarez' own ill-advised honesty afterwards, takes second place to that. And until *you* face up to *that*, instead of doing your determined "See No Evil" bit, you're going to continue looking faintly pitiful.
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Jules if you were Liverpool manager and a United player had racially abused one of your players an important one in fact and the player was clearly riled and upset about it would you not have taken him down to the ref to complain??

I would have megaphoned it within seconds that United are a bunch of racist cunts....

Fergy took advantage of the opportunity that Suarez gave him by being a fucking dickhead.

he repeated the trick of being a dickhead on Satdy when he refused to put an end to it and shake hands...

All the rest is just bollox conspiracy theories and contrived indignance.

80% of posts I've read on this site recently have been just pure pitiful shite, he got done he deserved it he was stupid and we made ourselves look like dicks backing him up... FERGY didnt do that... WE did that...
 
Suarez needs to be a little more Canny. He's being vilified unnecessarily over all IMHO. He's from absolute Poverty, fought his way out, went to Holland, learned Dutch, captained the team, played in the WC Semi Finals, Won the Copa America for his team, and is a model man off the field by all accounts. Some in the media would have no chance in understanding what it took for him to get here. They give him no credit for that.

On the field, he shouldn't have said what he said, but others have clearly used it to augment their own agendas. I can understand why he didn't want to shake hands, but he should have made that clear on the offing. He blind-sided us all, and put us on the defensive. Time to move on, but he's not the villain or the disgrace some would like us to believe. We need more like him, but obviously without the racial commentary.
 
Molby,

If my player were clearly upset in such circs, I had questioned him about it and he hadn't just told a TV crew that it was no big deal, I'd support him all the way (though even then it would be he doing the talking to the ref, which doesn't seem to have been the case here if reports at the time are to be believed). Where I differ from you is in respect of the following:

1. It's far from clear that Evra would have been upset when he originally reached the dressing-room, because he certainly wasn't when he spoke to the TV people beforehand, so what changed and why?
2. No, I would not "megaphone" anything, even if ManUre were the other club involved. If we were going through with a complaint I'd inform them and leave the ref to deal with it.
3. Ferguson certainly jumped on the situation and milked it - at least you're willing to face up to that, unlike some others who take your line on this whole affair. It saddens me that some Liverpool fans, unfortunately including you, prefer to hammer our own player rather than that old cnut "Fergy" in those circumstances.
4. I get why you and those who agree with you prefer to sweep away the complications in this matter by the kind of blanket kneejerk you come out with in those last two paras.of yours, because it makes things less complicated and unpleasant to think about. Well, you'll have to forgive the majority on here if that's not our first priority.
 
JJ, I'm sorry to disagree but I can't see how ferguson milked it. In the aftermath of the original incident, we were the ones who kept bringing up the issue, the other club kept relatively schtum.
 
Evra's "no biggie" initial reaction suddenly became something very different after his manager got hold of him. so that's the first thing. We may then have brought the matter up more often (hardly surprising given that we were the ones being asked all the questions in the first place) but Ferguson had his fair share of comments to make on it too. The idea that they somehow kept a vow of silence where we didn't is hooey.
 
Sorry to disagree, but I think we had far more to say the whole way through the process. I know some people will interpret me as failing to support the club for saying this, but Man Utd handled the whole thing very well compared to us, though it pains me to say it. They only really screwed up this weekend with Evra's celebration and Ferguson's outburst.

Also JJ, I have to agree with Rosco, if a player comes to his manager and says he has been racially abused then the manager is right to bring the player to the referee. I hope a Liverpool manager would do exactly the same.
 
I don't really get the thing about Evra not being bothered either. Why even tell French TV if he wasn't fussed about it?
 
In Ferguson's position I would not have allowed for Suarez to be treated unfairly, to not get a fair hearing, for the media to make ill-informed criticisms of him. In fact I'd be going out of my way to make sure Suarez had no opportunity to say anything except sorry and to end up being humiliated for his racism. What the old cunt and his bitch left back actually did, makes no sense for two people who were genuinely aggrieved. It only makes sense from the perspective of someone with a vendetta.

Of course that's not surprising since it was all a pack of lies.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48657.msg1483105#msg1483105 date=1329323487]
Sorry to disagree, but I think we had far more to say the whole way through the process. I know some people will interpret me as failing to support the club for saying this, but Man Utd handled the whole thing very well compared to us, though it pains me to say it. They only really screwed up this weekend with Evra's celebration and Ferguson's outburst.

Also JJ, I have to agree with Rosco, if a player comes to his manager and says he has been racially abused then the manager is right to bring the player to the referee. I hope a Liverpool manager would do exactly the same.
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How hard is it to handle things well when you ære believed by the FA on the matter? Do you think they would have handled it well if Suarez had been freed and evra convicted?

If racism meant anything why are they silent on the Terry case? Or is racism only an issue when it concern themselves?
 
Also, as he had told the TV reporter wouldn't it have been picked up upon and potentially investigated anyway?
 
I love how hypocritical the United fans can be and how outraged they are by the evil Suarez.

Ths from a club who have/had;

A player who picked up a long ban because he jumped into the stand and attacked a spectator {Cantona}
A player who picked up a long ban for missing a mandatory drug test {Ferdinand}
A player who had an affair with his brother's wife (Giggs)
A player who openly admitted he tried (and succeeded) to break another players leg {Keane on Haaland}
A player who refused to shake hands with an opposition player {G. Neville}
A player who shouted "Fuck Off" directly into the SKY camera, while millions of kids are watching {Rooney}
A player who cheated on his wife with a prostitute {Rooney}
A player who Ian Wright claims racially abused him {Schmeichel}
And probably many other I've forgotten about.

Footballers are thick and many would be in prison if they weren't good at football. Trying to score points by suggesting their miscreants are better (in a non-footballing sense) than ours is futile and wrong.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=48657.msg1483106#msg1483106 date=1329323876]
I don't really get the thing about Evra not being bothered either. Why even tell French TV if he wasn't fussed about it?
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Because they saw him and Suarez exchange words and asked him about it. Based on his reply at the time I'd seriously doubt any investigation would have gone ahead.

Gene - noted. Beyond referring you to my reply to Molbystwin above, there's nothing I can really add.
 
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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=48657.msg1483105#msg1483105 date=1329323487]
Sorry to disagree, but I think we had far more to say the whole way through the process. I know some people will interpret me as failing to support the club for saying this, but Man Utd handled the whole thing very well compared to us, though it pains me to say it. They only really screwed up this weekend with Evra's celebration and Ferguson's outburst.

Also JJ, I have to agree with Rosco, if a player comes to his manager and says he has been racially abused then the manager is right to bring the player to the referee. I hope a Liverpool manager would do exactly the same.
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How hard is it to handle things well when you ære believed by the FA on the matter? Do you think they would have handled it well if Suarez had been freed and evra convicted?

If racism meant anything why are they silent on the Terry case? Or is racism only an issue when it concern themselves?
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I have no idea what you're trying to say. Can you try to make your point again using different words?
 
Once the FA disciplinary process had ground into action, United knew they didn't need to - and shouldn't - say anything because they had already got us well and truly stitched-up. In the legal system of FA-land, the accused is always guilty.
 
Well, how's your Norwegian, gene? 😉

What Insig is saying is that the FA loaded the dice against Suarez right through the process and that this created extra hurdles for the club to cross. He's also inviting you to consider what ManUre's reaction would have been if Suarez had been vindicated and Evra therefore put on a disrepute charge for having lied.
 
To those of you telling us how quiet United were and how well they handled the whole thing, do you honestly believe that David Gill was not keeping the club updated on how things were going and were likely to go.

If you believe that then you are naive in the extreme.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1483119#msg1483119 date=1329324606]
Well, how's your Norwegian, gene? 😉

What Insig is saying is that the FA loaded the dice against Suarez right through the process and that this created extra hurdles for the club to cross. He's also inviting you to consider what ManUre's reaction would have been if Suarez had been vindicated and Evra therefore put on a disrepute charge for having lied.
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I don't know how they would behave in that situation. Perhaps they would have handled it as badly as we did, that's true.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=48657.msg1483120#msg1483120 date=1329324606]
To those of you telling us how quiet United were and how well they handled the whole thing, do you honestly believe that David Gill was not keeping the club updated on how things were going and were likely to go.

If you believe that then you are naive in the extreme.
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Again I have no idea but considering he's Man Utd Chief Executive, he would have been updating himself. How cunning! Is there no end to his depravity!?

I think my problem is that although I dislike our biggest rivals, I am unable to percieve them in the way that many of you do. I don't see them as inherently less moral or honest than us. I don't see them as capable of the kind of extraordinary malice and cunning that most of you seem to. Maybe it's because I'm not from the north west but I just don't get it.
 
Gene neither do I. And you know quite well what Im saying. Its easy to keep your councel if you have the inside track and know exactly what is going on.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=48657.msg1483111#msg1483111 date=1329324154]

Because they saw him and Suarez exchange words and asked him about it. Based on his reply at the time I'd seriously doubt any investigation would have gone ahead.

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I suspect it probably would have done!

Again I will admit I do not know exactly what he said word for word because I have not seen the French TV interview (is it available anywhere?) but if one of our players had gone on TV straight after a game and said that an opposition player had racially abused them what do you think the reaction from the club, the fans, the rest of the media and the opposition player in question and his club would be?

Once something is out there, then it is out there.

In fact there could even be an argument that once Evra had accused Suarez in the media then he had to make it official anyway, otherwise he could have faced a charge himself
 
His last head coach:

"Luis as a winner,'' said De Boer. "Outside the pitch he's a fantastic player and person. In the game he does everything to win but sometimes he does some stupid things.

"I don't really know the details of what happened in that (Saturday's) game so I can't comment. But I don't think it was very smart that he didn't shake Evra's hand because it puts more attention on everything.''
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I think the bold part is what many of us have stressed. Too many here have crucified the kid as some devil on and OFF the pitch ...
 
It's been pretty clear throughout this whole affair that Rosco is acting like a cretinous, obnoxious fuckwit who's missed the fucking point by miles.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48657.msg1483141#msg1483141 date=1329327912]
It's been pretty clear throughout this whole affair that Rosco is acting like a cretinous, obnoxious fuckwit who's missed the fucking point by miles.
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Mark, if you go back through the entirety of the affair you'll find very few people had the foresight to see exactly where this was going and why.

So if you're going to point out cretinous fuckwits I suggest you start in the mirror and then have a look at all those others who agreed with you. Because you've been consistently wrong all the way through the saga. And that's even before i get into the conspiracy nonsense.
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=48657.msg1483141#msg1483141 date=1329327912]
It's been pretty clear throughout this whole affair that Rosco is acting like a cretinous, obnoxious fuckwit who's missed the fucking point by miles.
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Mark, if you go back through the entirety of the affair you'll find very few people had the foresight to see exactly where this was going and why.

So if you're going to point out cretinous fuckwits I suggest you start in the mirror and then have a look at all those others who agreed with you. Because you've been consistently wrong all the way through the saga. And that's even before i get into the conspiracy nonsense.
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You're like the dickhead in a cinema who figures out who's gonna die first. Well done, congratulations cos that must have pushed your brain to the absolute limit to be able to do that. wow. round of applause and all that.

The thing is I'm the guy that analyses and retains every single element of dialogue and action, and determines why it was spoken, and invades the private thinking processes of the director and scriptwriters. I figure out the entire film, reverse engineer it, and know why everything happened the way it did at the times it did.

So your foresight isn't worth a thing anymore. Now that everything has happened and it's history... we no longer need your foresight. What we need is for you to engage your brain and start to analyse the facts. But you've failed to do this, and it's why everyone is treating you as though you are obsolete. Because that is what you've become.
 
Fuck me, are people still putting a case up for Suarez? Jeez. Recognise when you've backed a loser and pick a different thread.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=48657.msg1483256#msg1483256 date=1329347045]

Fuck me, are people still putting a case up for Suarez? Jeez. Recognise when you've backed a loser and pick a different thread.
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Fuck me are people from the one side of the debate deciding their opinion is fact?
 
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